Week 4: Pats (-7) @ Bills!!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Chris66 said:

 

Pats offence is better than Bills defense

 

Deny.

 

[PromoTheRobot]

5 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

Deny.

 

 

That's how you know that @Chris66 is actually worried about the Bills defense.

[YoloinOhio]

26 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

She also has brain cells. He was never, ever going to answer. He didn’t even answer Antonio Brown questions when he was on the team. 

You have to be kidding. She was doing her damn job. 

[The Wiz]

25 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

Bills not going to talk about anyone not on the team

Pretty sure they answered a bunch of questions about why they cut shady. 

[Chandler#81]

16 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

If the Bills play their best game and the Pats play theirs. Pats win by 10 points

Pats offence is better than Bills defense and Pats defense is better than Bills offense.

 

The big differece is in game coaching. McDermott is not very good at adjustments.

 

[Juice_32]

55 minutes ago, Canadian Bills Fan said:

If Edleman is out with his rib injury, I think the Bills have a decent chance. 

 

I trust our run Defense and I trust Tre White on Gordon

 

If Josh can have a good game, I think  we have a chance 

 

I worry most about the pats* RB's catching passes all day.

[Mojo44]

1 hour ago, Juice_32 said:

 

Agree, they’ve got to kill the “David vs Goliath” narrative. It’s 11 men against 11 men. Period. 

 I’m quite sure that the players and the coaches feel confident they can win this game if they play well. It’s just a bunch of fans that have this “loser mentality“ regarding the Pats*. Which, given recent history, is quite understandable.  The attitude one takes is a choice. I choose to be positive that they can definitely win this game. They might pull an upset or get beaten badly. Either way, I like to stay optimistic. Research shows it causes some good chemicals to be secreted by your body when you maintain a positive attitude. If they lose, then it’s onto the next game.

[PetermansRedemption]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

You have to be kidding. She was doing her damn job. 

Lets not act like she’s a reporter out there trying to get a scoop and break a story. Her job is to lob softball questions at coaches for CBS. 

[stevestojan]

We won two games this year the most previous Bills teams would have given up on and lost. I don’t see a win this Sunday, but I’m excited

to be traveling to Nashville with at least a 3-1 record. 
 

 

[BITE ME]

The Patriots Defense is better than the Bills. I believe their Defense has not given up a touchdown in 4 games.  That is the Super Bowl against Rams and three games this year.  The Bills will struggle to score.  I bet the game in December in New England will be closer.  I see a Pats 24-10 win.  I suspect the Bills Offense will improve as year goes on.  Can see a game like 24-21 in week 16.  Bills vs Pats in AFC championship game.  By January the Bills offense should be peaking. Third times the charm.  Would love to beat 17-0 Pats in AFC championship game.  Would erase all the years of losing to Brady.

Edited September 23, 2019 by FUTURIST

[thebandit27]

32 minutes ago, Chris66 said:

If the Bills play their best game and the Pats play theirs. Pats win by 10 points

Pats offence is better than Bills defense and Pats defense is better than Bills offense.

 

The big differece is in game coaching. McDermott is not very good at adjustments.

 

Brutal analysis.

 

Brutal.

 

The 2019 Rams had a better offense than NE's defense. They also had a better defense than NE's offense. But the NFL is a matchup league, so it's probably worth diving JUST a bit deeper than "we're better than you".

 

Otherwise why even play the game?

 

1 minute ago, FUTURIST said:

The Patriots Defense is better than the Bills. I believe their Defense has not given up a touchdown in 4 games.  That is the Super Bowl against Rams and three games this year.  The Bills will struggle to score.  I bet the game in December in New England will be closer.  I see a Pats 24-10 win.  I suspect the Bills Offense will improve as year goes on.  Can see a game like 24-21 in week 16.  Bills vs Pats in AFC championship game.  By January the Bills offense should be peaking. 

 

I think that the problem for Buffalo is the matchup of WRs vs secondary. 

 

Gilmore will probably draw Smoke and is capable of limiting him significantly. That likely means that Beasley draws a bracket inside and Zay/Foster/Slick draw 1-1s.

 

If the Bills want to score consistent points against NE, they're going to have to hit big plays to their backs and TEs early and often and force NE to adjust.

[CodeMonkey]

I was expecting 4 or 5 since it is in Buffalo.  7 is an awful big spread for an away team to cover.

I guess that's the point though.  Get some people to bet the Bills.

13 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

We won two games this year the most previous Bills teams would have given up on and lost. I don’t see a win this Sunday, but I’m excited

to be traveling to Nashville with at least a 3-1 record. 
 

 

Yeah absolutely.  Neither the pats or the bills have played anyone yet.  This sundays game should tell us a lot about the skill level of the Bills.  Regardless of the opponents, no one should question their heart.

Edited September 23, 2019 by CodeMonkey

[K-9]

My biggest initial concern going into this game is our guys getting too over hyped about it all week and then hyperventilating for the first quarter. We’ve seen that before. Coaches need to help them keep perspective going in and Daboll needs to get Allen into a rhythm early so he can calm down right away. 

 

The Pats*** are playing lights out, especially on the D side. They are and should be heavy favorites going in. I hope our guys relish the underdog role and just come out and punch them in the mouth. 

 

I don’t expect them to win, but I expect them to earn some respect, regardless. 

[Jpsredemption]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Whatever we do don't make the Patriots mad or they'll try extra hard to win.

 

Fixed.

We can agree to disagree. I think the Bills are OK. Not good. 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

Heading into NE, I was curious what the (numbers in starts) for the Bills & JA look like pre-injury 2018 (5 starts), and since he returned against Jax on 11/25/18 (9 starts) through this Sunday.

 

W/L Record: pre- we were 2-3 and avg 14.6 ppg and allowing 18.2

post- 6-3 22.0 ppg and allowing 18.9

 

Clear improvement by the offense and the team

 

Passing Game: pre- he was attempting 25 passes per game for 6.0 yds/att and 11.0 yds/comp while completing 55.6% for 152 ypg, with a 2-5 TD-Int ratio and a 4.0 int%

 

post- 31.6 atts/game for 7.0yds/att and 12.5 yds/comp and a 56.3% for 221 ypg, an 11-10 TD-Int ratio and a 3.5 int%.

 

It is interesting to note that without the 6-15 opening game appearance vs Ravens, In just the starts his completion % is pretty flat before and after (56%) . However, he has increased his yds/att and yds/comp substantially. I wonder if this is a sign of improved accuracy? leading to more YAC due to better ball placement and reads. The TD:Int ratio is better and only a slight improvement in INT % (needs to improve still).

 

Mobility: Pre-3.6 sacks/gm with 30.2 yds lost and 6.2 rushes for 25.8 yds (4.2/att) and 3 rushing TDs.

Post- 1.3 sacks/gm with 8.4 yds lost and 8.9 rushes for 64.6 yds (7.3/att) and 8 rushing TDs.

 

This is especially interesting to me. The rushes+sacks are almost identical when added together (around 10 game)both pre and post.

 

Pre Injury he was losing 30 yds on sacks and gaining 25 running, a net of minus 5 yards.

 

Post he is losing about 8 on sacks and gaining 65 running, a net of plus 57 yards.

 

The yards pre and post tell a story of a QB maturing and putting the ball under his arm and taking as much as he can.

 

Closing: So it appears that you have a QB who is making better decisions( in spite of yesterday's bone-headed pass) and using his legs to help avoid the pass rush, and doing it while reducing his INT%. Significantly, JA has raised his yards/att and yards/comp as well. I think you can argue his accuracy has improved, in spite of the comp% being 56% both pre and post. And further  that something clicked when he was injured and Anderson & Barkley came on board. What remains to be seen is whether he has enough around him going forward this season.

 

Thanks for reading. Curious what some of you think?

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Brutal analysis.

 

Brutal.

 

The 2019 Rams had a better offense than NE's defense. They also had a better defense than NE's offense. But the NFL is a matchup league, so it's probably worth diving JUST a bit deeper than "we're better than you".

 

Otherwise why even play the game?

 

 

I think that the problem for Buffalo is the matchup of WRs vs secondary. 

 

Gilmore will probably draw Smoke and is capable of limiting him significantly. That likely means that Beasley draws a bracket inside and Zay/Foster/Slick draw 1-1s.

 

If the Bills want to score consistent points against NE, they're going to have to hit big plays to their backs and TEs early and often and force NE to adjust.

Excellent analysis.

Edited September 23, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[YoloinOhio]

42 minutes ago, Bills2ref said:

Lets not act like she’s a reporter out there trying to get a scoop and break a story. Her job is to lob softball questions at coaches for CBS. 

Sorry, don’t agree

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

We can agree to disagree. I think the Bills are OK. Not good. 

 

My point is stop drooling over the Pats. They beat 3 tomato cans. The Bills are the first actual good team they are playing. It's not a gimme for them.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Chris66 said:

If the Bills play their best game and the Pats play theirs. Pats win by 10 points

Pats offence is better than Bills defense and Pats defense is better than Bills offense.

 

The big differece is in game coaching. McDermott is not very good at adjustments.

 

LOL says a guy who ignored late minute heroics against the JETS,  The clincher to end the Giants and the game winning drive go up to where a TD was needed to win.

 

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

My point is stop drooling over the Pats. They beat 3 tomato cans. The Bills are the first actual good team they are playing. It's not a gimme for them.

Even if the Steelers with Ben were a tomato can it was a 30 point beat down. Bills have struggled to win against two of their three tomato cans.

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Bills2ref said:

I actually don’t have a problem with Belichick’s responses here. He obviously is not going to answer any questions about Antonio Brown, why did she even bother. 

 

1 hour ago, Bills2ref said:

She also has brain cells. He was never, ever going to answer. He didn’t even answer Antonio Brown questions when he was on the team. 

The problem wasn't his answer. I didn't think he'd answer that question, you didn't think he'd answer that question, and she definitely didn't think he would. I mean seriously watch the interview she basically gives a preamble to the question that screamed "hey I know you're not going to answer this but I've got to do my job." The problem is that after he gets asked that question he decides to act like a petulant child and not an adult who has to deal with things he doesn't like in the work place.

Edited September 23, 2019 by Warcodered

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Buffalo defeats 3 crappy teams  They suck

 

NE****  defeats 3 crappy teams  They are SB bound. 

 

 

I'm not predicting anything 

 

I just want to see the Bills crush Tainted Tom

Edited September 23, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[K-9]

40 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Brutal analysis.

 

Brutal.

 

The 2019 Rams had a better offense than NE's defense. They also had a better defense than NE's offense. But the NFL is a matchup league, so it's probably worth diving JUST a bit deeper than "we're better than you".

 

Otherwise why even play the game?

 

 

I think that the problem for Buffalo is the matchup of WRs vs secondary. 

 

Gilmore will probably draw Smoke and is capable of limiting him significantly. That likely means that Beasley draws a bracket inside and Zay/Foster/Slick draw 1-1s.

 

If the Bills want to score consistent points against NE, they're going to have to hit big plays to their backs and TEs early and often and force NE to adjust.

Look for lots of TE seam routes. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Chris66 said:

If the Bills play their best game and the Pats play theirs. Pats win by 10 points

Pats offence is better than Bills defense and Pats defense is better than Bills offense.

 

The big differece is in game coaching. McDermott is not very good at adjustments.

Maybe, but I just don’t see the Pats being some big scary team anymore. The Pats May beat the Bills on Sunday but the end is near for them. It’s going to happen fast, I think the Bills have a shot to be the team that helps speed up the Process.

 

[K-9]

Just now, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Maybe, but I just don’t see the Pats being some big scary team anymore. The Pats May beat the Bills on Sunday but the end is near for them. It’s going to happen fast, I think the Bills have a shot to be the team that helps speed up the Process.

 

The end has been near for the Pats*** for 10 years now.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

The problem wasn't his answer. I didn't think he'd answer that question, you didn't think he'd answer that question, and she definitely didn't think he would. I mean seriously watch the interview she basically gives a preamble to the question that screamed "hey I know you're not going to ask this but I've got to do my job." The problem is that after he gets asked that question he decides to act like a petulant child and not an adult who has to deal with things he doesn't like in the work place.

I wonder what he said after the video goes away? My guess is he continued to stare.

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

Look for lots of TE seam routes. 

I wonder if Kroft is a possibility this week?

[PlayoffsPlease]

41 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Brutal analysis.

 

Brutal.

 

The 2019 Rams had a better offense than NE's defense. They also had a better defense than NE's offense. But the NFL is a matchup league, so it's probably worth diving JUST a bit deeper than "we're better than you".

 

Otherwise why even play the game?

 

 

I think that the problem for Buffalo is the matchup of WRs vs secondary. 

 

Gilmore will probably draw Smoke and is capable of limiting him significantly. That likely means that Beasley draws a bracket inside and Zay/Foster/Slick draw 1-1s.

 

If the Bills want to score consistent points against NE, they're going to have to hit big plays to their backs and TEs early and often and force NE to adjust.

Matchup is certainly critical. I am not sure that our defense (or any defense) can take away the strength of the Patriots offense, the quick hitting short passing game.  The Patriots will score over 20 points almost certainly.  It will take a much better game plan than the Bills have had so far to score more than 20 against the Pats defense. 

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Look for lots of TE seam routes. 

Singletary, Jones, Foster, and the TE need to step up.  No one has threatened them deep.  Imo Foster could be the key.  It's a tough matchup.  Buffalo are live dogs.  Buffalo is by far the best defense NE will face.  McDermott has had good success at slowing down their offense.  Buffalo makes plays on defense and the offense avoids TO it will be a close game. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

Just now, K-9 said:

The end has been near for the Pats*** for 10 years now.

I will say 4-5 years, But I get your point. Much respect for them and the run. 

They have beaten worse teams than Buffalo has this year. More convincing, I’d argue it’s easier for teams to give up against the Pats. Nobody questions a loss to the Patriots.

look, Pats might beat the Bills by 40, seen it enough times. There is going to be a game where we look back and say that was the beginning for the Bills run and the end of the Pats dominance. Why not now? 

[PetermansRedemption]

17 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

 

The problem wasn't his answer. I didn't think he'd answer that question, you didn't think he'd answer that question, and she definitely didn't think he would. I mean seriously watch the interview she basically gives a preamble to the question that screamed "hey I know you're not going to answer this but I've got to do my job." The problem is that after he gets asked that question he decides to act like a petulant child and not an adult who has to deal with things he doesn't like in the work place.

Oh certainly. Bill’s demeanor is always like that. He knows he doesn’t want to be there, we know he doesn’t want to be there. He doesn’t even try to obligatory fake smile. 

[K-9]

16 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I wonder what he said after the video goes away? My guess is he continued to stare.

I wonder if Kroft is a possibility this week?

That would be nice, but we are getting very good TE play without him. No need to rush him. 

[YoloinOhio]

57 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Brutal analysis.

 

Brutal.

 

The 2019 Rams had a better offense than NE's defense. They also had a better defense than NE's offense. But the NFL is a matchup league, so it's probably worth diving JUST a bit deeper than "we're better than you".

 

Otherwise why even play the game?

 

 

I think that the problem for Buffalo is the matchup of WRs vs secondary. 

 

Gilmore will probably draw Smoke and is capable of limiting him significantly. That likely means that Beasley draws a bracket inside and Zay/Foster/Slick draw 1-1s.

 

If the Bills want to score consistent points against NE, they're going to have to hit big plays to their backs and TEs early and often and force NE to adjust.

Gilmore has been exceptional. I do remember that at least when he was with the Bills, he sometimes struggled with the smaller, slippery WRs and was better against the bigger contested catch types. Not sure if still the case. 

[BITE ME]

QUESTION.  Any one know if the Bills Mafia guy who blew himself up with explosives is ok?  Saw it on twitter. Thanks.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

That's awesome.

 

[Stank_Nasty]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

No, but I remember a week THREE matchup between the 2-0 Bills and 2-0 Pats*** in Buffalo in 2011 -- the last time the Bills started the season 3-0.

 

But to your point -- it's true that nobody really expects the Bills win this game or the line wouldn't be where it is.

 

I was saying to friends yesterday during the 4th quarter that while I was disappointed in Allen's gaffe that let Cinci back in the game, this is exactly the sort of win the team needs heading in to Pats*** week.  Any euphoria about being 3-0 was squashed and they know they have work to do.  It was a very good lesson for a team learning how to win (and how not to lose).

 

I'm confident they will be very well prepared for the Pats*** on Sunday.  That doesn't guarantee anything other than I don't believe it will be a laugher and they should have an opportunity in the 4th -- if Josh can keep a lid on the turnover can.

I happen to agree with you. it was a gut check win against a team fighting for his last breath. 

 

Bob Papa and Charlie Weiss agree as well.... I was listening them this morning about the game. Both agreed they were worried for the bills coming into the game. both agreed that the bengals are tougher than their record suggests and Weiss said he came away very impressed by allens/teams response to going down in the 4th and thought it was a good ending for them that checked off a box/passed a tough test(paraphrasing obviously).

[eball]

If the Bills had played remotely well on offense last year they'd have been right in the thick of both games.  I think it's a reasonable statement to say the Bills are demonstrably better on offense to start 2019, and their defense is the same if not better.  Yes, the Pats*** are playing well but this game is not set up to be a laugher.

[Cmdjr85]

52 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

My point is stop drooling over the Pats. They beat 3 tomato cans. The Bills are the first actual good team they are playing. It's not a gimme for them.

Lol and they annihilated those tomato cans. 

50 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Maybe, but I just don’t see the Pats being some big scary team anymore. The Pats May beat the Bills on Sunday but the end is near for them. It’s going to happen fast, I think the Bills have a shot to be the team that helps speed up the Process.

 

I bet you say this each and every year. 

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

Lets hope the above quote doesn't get overused too much