pennstate10 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I thought this was a ludakris call. I get that the rule was added for player safety, but I think it was meant to protect kickers, and offensive players who unexpectedly find themselves as defenders after an INT or blocked kick. Players who arent accustomed to pursuing and tackling. The Bills TE flagged was blocking on a more or less routine play. And not in the open field, away from the play, but right at the scrum involving the ball carrier. What is he supposed to do? Say, "Mr. Giant, I am about to block you. Please turn your head"? If he doesnt block the guy, here is todays film review. Bills coach: "WTF didnt you block that guy. You were standing right next to him!!!" Bill TE: "uh, he wasnt looking at me. I even asked him nicely to turn his head, but he wouldnt". The rule needs to be changed, or enforced only on possession changes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) everything is about consent these days Edited September 16, 2019 by dorquemada 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 if you aren't up to physical combat on an INT or return, get the frick out of the way QBs know enough to avoid anything dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Actually, I thought it was ludicrous. I really did not think it was THAT blind. I thought the Giants player had a reasonable chance to see that it was about to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 One of the guys I watch the games with brought a Giants fan friend of his to the bar yesterday. When they showed the replay even the Giants fan thought it was a BS call. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 CBs pull a bullfight avoidance on plays where the QB or RB is on a collision course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 The refs made it up to us on that FG attempt in the 4th. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: I thought this was a ludakris call. I get that the rule was added for player safety, but I think it was meant to protect kickers, and offensive players who unexpectedly find themselves as defenders after an INT or blocked kick. Players who arent accustomed to pursuing and tackling. The Bills TE flagged was blocking on a more or less routine play. And not in the open field, away from the play, but right at the scrum involving the ball carrier. What is he supposed to do? Say, "Mr. Giant, I am about to block you. Please turn your head"? If he doesnt block the guy, here is todays film review. Bills coach: "WTF didnt you block that guy. You were standing right next to him!!!" Bill TE: "uh, he wasnt looking at me. I even asked him nicely to turn his head, but he wouldnt". The rule needs to be changed, or enforced only on possession changes. There were a few awful calls yesterday, for both clubs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: I thought this was a ludakris call. I get that the rule was added for player safety, but I think it was meant to protect kickers, and offensive players who unexpectedly find themselves as defenders after an INT or blocked kick. Players who arent accustomed to pursuing and tackling. The Bills TE flagged was blocking on a more or less routine play. And not in the open field, away from the play, but right at the scrum involving the ball carrier. What is he supposed to do? Say, "Mr. Giant, I am about to block you. Please turn your head"? If he doesnt block the guy, here is todays film review. Bills coach: "WTF didnt you block that guy. You were standing right next to him!!!" Bill TE: "uh, he wasnt looking at me. I even asked him nicely to turn his head, but he wouldnt". The rule needs to be changed, or enforced only on possession changes. But, things generally even out, like the Allen fumble that wasn't (on the sack), and the rather weak personal foul call on the field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ned Flanders said: The refs made it up to us on that FG attempt in the 4th. I can't argue against that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 12 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: I thought this was a ludakris call. Agreed. That Giant needed to move *****, get out the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Agreed. That Giant needed to move *****, get out the way. you should learn to get the blank out of the way when your role on kickoffs is the JV scrub holding up his arms to co-ordinate the move toward the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 That was a terrible call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 (edited) The blindside block and the phantom Morse hold were both awful calls. We did get lucky on the weird Allen sack/fumble where everyone ran around confused, blowing whistles, as the ball was laying there for a scoop and score. Edited September 16, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 The most confusing part to me was that we got a penalty and somehow started the next play "1st and 9". Like, I get that it was a spot foul, and happened up-field, and we still lost 15 yards... but shouldnt it be 1st and 10 regardless? It wasnt going to be 1st and -6 without the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Oh this one was another BS call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Two or three times a game, the refs get out their Magic Eight Ball and do whatever it says to do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 and another Monday morning where every fanbase is convinced the refs screwed them over again even the Patriots fans complain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted September 16, 2019 Author Share Posted September 16, 2019 43 minutes ago, row_33 said: and another Monday morning where every fanbase is convinced the refs screwed them over again even the Patriots fans complain The reason I highlighted this play is because I dont know how to fix it. On allens fumble, the fix is simple. Dont blow the whistle early. On the FG personal foul, the fix is simple. Dont slap the guy on the head. But on this blind side call, if youre the TE assigned to block a DB or LB on the play, what do you do next time this happens? Just watch the guy tackle your ball carrier? Ask the DB/LB to look at you? Its a stupid rule, and should be fixed, either in how its written or how its implemented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, pennstate10 said: The reason I highlighted this play is because I dont know how to fix it. On allens fumble, the fix is simple. Dont blow the whistle early. On the FG personal foul, the fix is simple. Dont slap the guy on the head. But on this blind side call, if youre the TE assigned to block a DB or LB on the play, what do you do next time this happens? Just watch the guy tackle your ball carrier? Ask the DB/LB to look at you? Its a stupid rule, and should be fixed, either in how its written or how its implemented. if the man is hurt then the flags fly, if he doesn't lay there for 30 seconds then nothing to be called? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 The good news is: The NFL fixed the "what's the true definition of a CATCH?" problem. The bad news is: They "fixed" it by introducing the "what's the true definition of PASS INTERFERENCE?" problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 BS call but the rules protect all players now Crackback blocks or peel back blocks are now illegal I don't even think it was a textbook peel back block but that's the way the game is going It's to eliminate the Hines Ward and Jarvis Landry blocks of the world that pretty much decapitated guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 The refs overall yesterday were very ticky tack with the calls . At least their ineptness evened out for both teams . However, the blind side block was completely mild and more of a gentle body check than a vicious hit. It should have never got a flag. The Giants defensive penalty on the FG was also a bit harsh although the he did grab his head. It wasn't a Deacon Jones head slap from the 70s. The real gaffe from the officials came in the Saints game on the fumble return TD that was blown dead. I don't know what the issue if with the NFL but instead of getting better, these guys are getting worse every year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 There were a couple ticky-tacky calls last night. This was one of 'em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 54 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: The good news is: The NFL fixed the "what's the true definition of a CATCH?" problem. The bad news is: They "fixed" it by introducing the "what's the true definition of PASS INTERFERENCE?" problem. i can't believe they keep this up into November Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I thought maybe they called it because he peeled back to the defender. So even if it wasn't a big hit maybe that's why. My biggest issue was the holding call on Morse. There was clearly no hold. I actually think the call for roughing the center on the field goal was legitimate. The defender rushed past the center and slammed into his head with his thigh, which is why it was called. He wasn't even engaging the center, just running past him and making contact with his head. I think it is the right call. I would have liked to get a better look at the punt where they downed us on the two yard line. It looked to me like the player stepped on the line when he dove into the end zone to redirect the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 I thought, (and so did the commentators) that that was a really weak call. Knox basically just put his shoulder into him, and shifted him away. From memory, it was even pretty much shoulder to shoulder, the only aspect being the guy wasn't looking at him. Tbh, both teams had calls missed etc. but I was annoyed when Ford got his penalty, as whoever he pushed over, had been all over Allen, and had hit him on the helmet with his arm. Just because Allen is a big unit, doesn't mean he shouldn't get the same protection as other QBs do. Overall, I think in the poor calls that did happen, both teams were roughly equally shafted. At no point did I think they started to call stuff that they hadn't been calling throughout the game, even if they were getting it wrong, and in its own way, at least that was consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: The good news is: The NFL fixed the "what's the true definition of a CATCH?" problem. The bad news is: They "fixed" it by introducing the "what's the true definition of PASS INTERFERENCE?" problem. The worst call was the "inadvertent whistle" is the Saints game that cost the Saints an early go ahead TD. They always seem to find a way to screw things up. If it's not one thing, it's another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 That was a very weak penalty. It was NOT the kind of blind side violent hit where players get hurt after an interception. It was NOT a clip, it was a block right in the middle of traffic. Back to the drawing board on this one, it needs to be fixed. The wording led to unintended consequences and now they can talk about it over lobster bisque in Palm Springs or Naples next off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 7 hours ago, Ned Flanders said: The refs made it up to us on that FG attempt in the 4th. I don’t know. Both of them are pretty much plain as day. Especially the one against the Giants on the FG. It’s been that way for years. You can’t engage with the long snapper when his head is down. This isn’t new. The giants player very clearly did. It’s not “ticky tack” as I’ve seen some people state. It’s black and white. You cannot engage with him. He did. Thus, he got flagged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 hours ago, pennstate10 said: The reason I highlighted this play is because I dont know how to fix it. On allens fumble, the fix is simple. Dont blow the whistle early. On the FG personal foul, the fix is simple. Dont slap the guy on the head. But on this blind side call, if youre the TE assigned to block a DB or LB on the play, what do you do next time this happens? Just watch the guy tackle your ball carrier? Ask the DB/LB to look at you? Its a stupid rule, and should be fixed, either in how its written or how its implemented. Allen’s forward progress was stopped and he was being pulled backwards, it was blown dead for that and rightfully so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 At least there has been bad calls on BOTH teams in the last Bills game, dating back to last year. It doesn't feel anymore like the Bills are playing against 2 teams. That "blindside" call was pushing it indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Blindside blocks are meant to protect defenders against hits like Hines Ward used to injure players. Defenseless player with the blocker moving back towards the LOS. It's a good rule It was a bad call. It should have been a non-call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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