dollars 2 donuts Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, OrediggerPoke said: It is the same narrative at Buffalo as it was at Wyoming. Josh will make some mistakes early in the contest. Josh's overall stats won't be terribly impressive. But when the game is on the line in the second half, he comes to play and flat out makes plays. Not to mention the way he is able to fire up teammates on both sides of the ball. The debate will never end and he will always have his detractors but Josh Allen is one dude that everyone would love to have on their team. "He doesn't get enough fantasy points!" ...blow it out your fantasy a** and get a new hobby folks, because around here we dig W's. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jobot said: I like him, but this was only one game. Additionally it was one of the strangest games based on how it played out. Negative hot takes do not wait for multiple games to play out. Neither will my positivity that Allen checks all the boxes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Vince Young went 31-19 as a starter in the NFL. Does that mean he was a good QB that "just wins"? Or does that mean he was a pretty bad QB that got carried to victories by the rest of his team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: "He doesn't get enough fantasy points!" ...blow it out your fantasy a** and get a new hobby folks, because around here we dig W's. You know, blue-collar lunchpails, hard hats and all that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrediggerPoke Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, Jobot said: I like him, but this was only one game. Additionally it was one of the strangest games based on how it played out. Check out: (1) Wyoming v. Northern Illinois 9/3/2016; (2) Wyoming v. Boise State 10/29/2016; (3) Wyoming v. San Diego State 11/19/2016; (4) Wyoming v. Utah State 10/14/2017; (5) Wyoming v. Colorado State 11/4/2017. Each basically the same narrative. Each a loss without Josh Allen late game craziness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 13 minutes ago, OrediggerPoke said: It is the same narrative at Buffalo as it was at Wyoming. Josh will make some mistakes early in the contest. Josh's overall stats won't be terribly impressive. But when the game is on the line in the second half, he comes to play and flat out makes plays. Not to mention the way he is able to fire up teammates on both sides of the ball. The debate will never end and he will always have his detractors but Josh Allen is one dude that everyone would love to have on their team. Good point. And the important second point is that the mistakes all are things he will learn from and improve. He isn't just a winner, he's a student. By this time next season, the Bills will have a guy who is a top 10 QB for three quarters and top 3 winner in the fourth quarter. He's going to be big time good. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Poyer said as much on OBL today--he said he would go into battle with Allen up to the end of his career, really appreciated Josh coming over to the defensive huddle in the 3rd-4th Q. He was asking for Poyer's wife's digits... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Personalty wise Josh Allen is my favorite Bill since Jim Kelly. He has some special gifts. His upside is huge. I am concerned about the coaching around him. I know that is not a popular view, but I still have concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: He was asking for Poyer's wife's digits... He has Kay....wth does he need Poyer's woman Kay Adams........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 5 hours ago, FiftyPercent said: I would have given him a D if he was his usual 50% completion, so will give him a D+ for having 64%. Still almost cost them the game with all his turnovers. 5 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said: C- Got lucky all his turnovers did not lose them the game. I had them for a loss on my picks, so I'm 0-1. what are the chances you two are one of the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I could feel his "haters" gloat in his 4 turnovers but most were weird flukes that won't likely happen, well not 4 in one half anyway. But then later he threw bad ones that weren't INT so it balances out. But he was good, again, with arm, feet, leadership, poise. And he led them to victory. I can't wait for some DEEP throws though. Beasly - and Daboll - have really opened up the short/medium game. I expect some deep passes galore at one point. Sweeny (#89) has caught a fairly long one for a TE and did so in the preseason games too. I was actually surprised the Jets accepted a 5 yard penalty at one point. Josh losing a down is worse for the Bills than losing 5 yards - his cannon arm makes up for that quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He has Kay....wth does he need Poyer's woman Kay Adams........ Who knows? Ask all the others. Isn't Kay Adams Ralph's niece, the former scout? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Or you could stop being so sensitive? QB gives the ball away 4 times and you're going to whine about a low grade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I'd say B+ for the comeback after a brutal first half. Many QB's would have folded. Now, it would be nice if on a go forward basis he took actual care of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 23 minutes ago, Seven-N-Nine said: Or you could stop being so sensitive? QB gives the ball away 4 times and you're going to whine about a low grade? see. that's just it, I never said anything about the grade. trolls never were the sharpest knife in the drawer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 Look at the NFL highlight video of the game - I just did. He threw some nice passes. Many 'medium deep" ones that look so effortless we tend to forget they were not dink and dunk passes. And one at the end that was almost picked off... hard not to cringe that the WR didn't come back for the ball, short pass or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 18 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: see. that's just it, I never said anything about the grade. trolls never were the sharpest knife in the drawer. You called me a troll because I gave a low grade to a QB who gave the ball away 4 times. That's whiney. So basically everyone who gives a realistic take is a troll? You must have a hard time of things on the internet. #homersonly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Seven-N-Nine said: You called me a troll because I gave a low grade to a QB who gave the ball away 4 times. That's whiney. So basically everyone who gives a realistic take is a troll? You must have a hard time of things on the internet. #homersonly Who knew borg are dim about football? Edited September 10, 2019 by Dr. Who Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bevis Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: Who knew borgs are dim about football? She still looks good in the Picard trailer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 18 hours ago, HappyDays said: I love posts like this. Do you watch other NFL offenses? Brown's TD wasn't even notable compared to highlights from the other games. It is a standard top 2 receiver play that every competent offense in the league can make on a weekly basis. I feel the same way about people criticizing Allen for the pick off of Beasley's hands. It is a standard NFL catch that starting receivers will make 99% of the time. There is this weird misconception from certain folks on here that every good QB is perfectly precise on every throw, and that they're running their offenses all on their own without help. It boggles my mind. If you asked any decent NFL WR about that play, he would say I need to catch that pass 100 out of 100 times, and be serious about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 I'm quick to defend Josh, but he did have several "hero ball" throws that we got lucky with. We can't expect to win if he turns the ball over this much. That said, if he can eliminate the dumb judgement calls, he is looking like a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: If you asked any decent NFL WR about that play, he would say I need to catch that pass 100 out of 100 times, and be serious about it. Did anyone ask Beasley? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: Did anyone ask Beasley? Nope. He came out and said it without even being asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 9, 2019 Share Posted September 9, 2019 23 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I would give him a C / C+. First drive - A Rest of the first half - D Second half - B- I agree with Maybe a C plus grade....I cannot give a B or higher because of the turnovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 17 hours ago, OrediggerPoke said: Check out: (1) Wyoming v. Northern Illinois 9/3/2016; (2) Wyoming v. Boise State 10/29/2016; (3) Wyoming v. San Diego State 11/19/2016; (4) Wyoming v. Utah State 10/14/2017; (5) Wyoming v. Colorado State 11/4/2017. Each basically the same narrative. Each a loss without Josh Allen late game craziness. I don't doubt it. And I don't watch a ton of college, but in general I wouldn't expect college team execution to come close to what to expect from the execution of an NFL team. Over the course of 16 games I don't feel the Bills could survive/make the playoffs living like this. But I could be wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrediggerPoke Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Jobot said: I don't doubt it. And I don't watch a ton of college, but in general I wouldn't expect college team execution to come close to what to expect from the execution of an NFL team. Over the course of 16 games I don't feel the Bills could survive/make the playoffs living like this. But I could be wrong! The most Josh Allen play that I've ever seen was a play against San Diego State. SDSU brought a huge blitz and Allen scrambled around and then tried to be hero and threw an ill advised cross body throw that was picked off by Damontae Kazee (last year's NFL leader in INTs). Allen ran down Kazee for about 30 yards and lowered the boom knocking Kazee backwards flat on his ass and causing Kazee to fumble the football through the back of the end zone for a touch back and Wyoming's ball. Allen will make mistakes but he will make up for it and lead the team to wins. Stats are for losers. That play will go down as an INT in the stat book but was big momentum to Wyoming. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SloanBillsFan Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 Since it all culminated in a win I'll chalk most of the few bone head plays up to bad luck and the fact that JA's still young with only a baker's dozen of regular season starts. Don't know if I could be so kind if we were 0-1 but after all is said and done I really think this group and its QB are destined for great things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 4 hours ago, OrediggerPoke said: The most Josh Allen play that I've ever seen was a play against San Diego State. SDSU brought a huge blitz and Allen scrambled around and then tried to be hero and threw an ill advised cross body throw that was picked off by Damontae Kazee (last year's NFL leader in INTs). Allen ran down Kazee for about 30 yards and lowered the boom knocking Kazee backwards flat on his ass and causing Kazee to fumble the football through the back of the end zone for a touch back and Wyoming's ball. Allen will make mistakes but he will make up for it and lead the team to wins. Stats are for losers. That play will go down as an INT in the stat book but was big momentum to Wyoming. I love it, but I can never be convinced that's it's a realistic expectation to always successfully hit on the river in the NFL. Playoffs are single elimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Damn, though it was only ONE game even Allen's biggest supporters probably wouldn't have predicted he would make a list like that so soon in this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiffany980 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 On 9/9/2019 at 12:29 AM, JoPar_v2 said: Stay up “tiffany.” You’re 0-1 but you got an outside shot of beating out miami for 3rd place in the division. If not, hey you can draft a QB who doesn’t look like a complete doofus I'm a Patriots fan ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 9 minutes ago, Tiffany980 said: I'm a Patriots fan ? Condolences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I am confused.... don't we hate PFF? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 On 9/9/2019 at 3:01 PM, ndirish1978 said: I'm quick to defend Josh, but he did have several "hero ball" throws that we got lucky with. We can't expect to win if he turns the ball over this much. That said, if he can eliminate the dumb judgement calls, he is looking like a franchise QB. I dont know about "several" I would say there were like 2? I specifically saw him throw the ball away running to the sidelines instead of throwing back to the middle of the field.....a "hero ball" moment for him in the past. Not disputing you....just I saw him do some things correcty that in the past he has not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiffany980 Posted September 10, 2019 Share Posted September 10, 2019 46 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Condolences. I know, it's tough knowing their success won't last more than another 8-10 years when BB retires... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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