YoloinOhio Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: Doesn't make sense that they need a WR when they can't keep the QB upright. Just goes to show how difficult it really is for a team to find the right players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I’m surprised it hasn’t been linked much more often honestly. It makes a ton of sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, skibum said: Clowney is a great player, but do the Bills really need to give up a bunch of assets for one guy, to improve a Defense that’s already very solid? I know they need better depth at LB, but this seems a bit luxurious if you’re trying to build a complete team. We are trimming players at a few positions that will likely by signed by other teams. Might as well get something out of them and if we can sign Clowney long term that is a bonus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 We could trade a WR (Zay or Foster) since Houston is looking for depth, and either one would be a great #3, plus a RB and a 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, SCBills said: Yea, we’d probably have to throw in picks to outbid Miami, given they have a franchise Tackle they somehow don’t want to keep. That said, I just can’t wrap my head around it. I don’t know that I’ve ever seen a team in tank mode make a blockbuster trade like this. If you believe in a 12 month turnaround instead of multi year, grabbing a pass rusher in his prime makes a ton of sense long term 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, QCity said: It puts tremendous pressure on the GM to re-sign him i.e. overpay next year. He's not as good as the insane contract he's going to command. No team will trade for him without a long term deal negotiated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Thats less $ than Trey Flowers got. And Clowney is FAR superior You are not wrong but I am having flashbacks to Dareus with motivation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dickleyjones Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 i don't get why Miami is involved. if they are in sell mode, they need picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, RyanC883 said: We could trade a WR (Zay or Foster) since Houston is looking for depth, and either one would be a great #3, plus a RB and a 3rd. I don’t think a 3 that we are essentially hoping to be end of the third gets it done. If you think we are we are a good team you have to bump up a round from what we’ve discussed for a long time for value of picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: You are not wrong but I am having flashbacks to Dareus with motivation I get it. I guess I just don't see the red flags with Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: You are not wrong but I am having flashbacks to Dareus with motivation Whats the commonality? Or is it paying anyone that worries you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said: No team will trade for him without a long term deal negotiated Then no one is going to trade for him since he can't be extended until after the season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I'm all for the Clowney trade if we aren't giving up a first, maybe a 2nd. Clowney would give us the opportunity to possibly have a rare elite defense in this day in the NFL. The Jags a couple years ago and the Broncos the year they won the Bowl are the only teams I remember recently with an elite level D. In a year where Luck just retired and a 42 Brady can hit the wall at any time, the Bills could be a legit force. A playoff birth this season would go a long way for Beane and McDermott's job security. Go get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, NoSaint said: I don’t think a 3 that we are essentially hoping to be end of the third gets it done. If you think we are we are a good team you have to bump up a round from what we’ve discussed for a long time for value of picks I think it takes a 2 and a good player. That's why I said last week that Philly makes a ton of sense. They have depth at WR and OT. Peters would make a brilliant one-year stopgap at LT until my boy Tytus Howard is ready. Philly just drafted Dillard and has Lane Johnson and Vaitai as depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I don’t think a 3 that we are essentially hoping to be end of the third gets it done. If you think we are we are a good team you have to bump up a round from what we’ve discussed for a long time for value of picks good point. I guess it depends on where Houston thinks we finish. I'd even do a 2nd. 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I think it takes a 2 and a good player. That's why I said last week that Philly makes a ton of sense. They have depth at WR and OT. Peters would make a brilliant one-year stopgap at LT until my boy Tytus Howard is ready. Philly just drafted Dillard and has Lane Johnson and Vaitai as depth. does Philly have cap space after this year. I have no idea. But you are correct about their depth. They have done a great job the past few years stockpiling talent (and winning a SB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: I think it takes a 2 and a good player. That's why I said last week that Philly makes a ton of sense. They have depth at WR and OT. Peters would make a brilliant one-year stopgap at LT until my boy Tytus Howard is ready. Philly just drafted Dillard and has Lane Johnson and Vaitai as depth. It’ll be Philly. Alshon or Peters or someone similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: I'm fine with this, considering the 1st will be 32nd. Jokes aside- if making this move you have to be expecting a bottom 5 or so pick not a top 10 pick - which is a substantial reframing to the discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 10 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Don't like it! He's not a process guy. When have you ever been concerned with the process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I get it. I guess I just don't see the red flags with Clowney. If it happens I hope you are right- I have not watched him enough to say with authority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: If the Texans bite, they must have one player that really interests them. Just trying to figure out who it is. Lawson and Yeldon? They would make sense...fills two voids. I like Rocket's thinking. If we could swing a deal without a subtraction from our team in another area, that would be great: Shaq: Texans would need to fill Clowney's DE spot. Shaq is a very solid DE (just not a great pass rusher), former 1st rounder. And for the Bills, we wouldn't need him with Clowney here and most likely they're letting Shaq walk at the end of the year anyhow. So we don't lose anything. Yeldon: They need RB help with Miller going down. Johnson and Yeldon could be a decent backfield. He's on our bubble and even if he makes the team, probably wouldn't play much barring injuries. McKenzie: They want a third receiver. They don't need a stud (they have Hopkins), they do need a slot receiver with KeKe Coutee injured with an ankle. Plus he brings return help on special teams. Again McKenzie is on the bubble for us. So, we're fine without him. I know it's not a popular opinion right now, but I think losing players like McCoy and Zay hurts our team for this year. We'd gain DE help, but lose talent at two other positions. Guys who look to be playing a lot for us this year. Edited August 25, 2019 by folz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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K-9 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I'm all for the Clowney trade if we aren't giving up a first, maybe a 2nd. Clowney would give us the opportunity to possibly have a rare elite defense in this day in the NFL. The Jags a couple years ago and the Broncos the year they won the Bowl are the only teams I remember recently with an elite level D. In a year where Luck just retired and a 42 Brady can hit the wall at any time, the Bills could be a legit force. A playoff birth this season would go a long way for Beane and McDermott's job security. Go get him. I wonder if McBeane feel the same way. I suspect if they knew that their first round pick would give them an opportunity to have a rare elite defense, they’d gladly make that pick. What’s the difference between making that pick now vs. later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Whats the commonality? Or is it paying anyone that worries you? The commonality is the motivation- I am going from college days but he disappeared in games when he seemed not interested. 100 million needs to be big impact all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 41 minutes ago, Estelle Getty said: Its gotta involve Shaq and Either McCoy or Zay. I would rather keep McCoy I think it will be Shady & Zay for Clowney. Having him line up opposite Jerry would be huge. He's only 26 and his best years are ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 48 hours is un acceptable, we are busy... Jadeveon Clowney trade rumors: Texans star will be traded in '24, 48 hours' https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/jadeveon-clowney-trade-rumors-texans-star-will-be-traded-in-24-48-hours/170cr8dspfrh1wvfis7smgdny Edited August 26, 2019 by HOUSE 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The commonality is the motivation- I am going from college days but he disappeared in games when he seemed not interested. 100 million needs to be big impact all the time. Sinking huge money into a guy like this at this position is foolish. Will not change the wins and losses picture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: I wonder if McBeane feel the same way. I suspect if they knew that their first round pick would give them an opportunity to have a rare elite defense, they’d gladly make that pick. What’s the difference between making that pick now vs. later? If you make the trade, you’re operating under the assumption Clowney A) Signs here long term and B) Helps lead us to the Playoffs. That first round pick is then in the 20’s. You cant build a contender by playing it safe all the time. You draft well and structure smart contracts to make moves like this. Id be ok with a 1 for Clowney, but I’d be surprised if that’s what it took given he can only wink wink a long term commitment. Edited August 25, 2019 by SCBills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I just don’t get why the dolphins would get him when they’re seemingly tearing it down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Will this insanity finally end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: Sinking huge money into a guy like this at this position is foolish. Will not change the wins and losses picture. Can you be more specific? A guy like what? And why, precisely, wouldn't he impact the W-L column? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: The commonality is the motivation- I am going from college days but he disappeared in games when he seemed not interested. 100 million needs to be big impact all the time. His sophomore year he had either a sack or forced a turnover in 10 out of 12 games. in the other two he had 3 tfl and then a tfl w/ 2 PDs i suspect motivation questions are protecting his body when being forced to play for free questions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, njbuff said: Will this insanity finally end? Wow, you really hate trade talk that much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, folz said: I like Rocket's thinking. If we could swing a deal without a subtraction from our team in another area, that would be great: Shaq: Texans would need to fill Clowney's DE spot. Shaq is a very solid DE (just not a great pass rusher), former 1st rounder. And for the Bills, we wouldn't need him with Clowney hear and most likely they're letting Shaq walk at the end of the year anyhow. So we don't lose anything. Yeldon: They need RB help with Miller going down. Johnson and Yeldon could be a decent backfield. He's on our bubble and even if he makes the team, probably wouldn't play much barring injuries. McKenzie: They want a third receiver. They don't need a stud (they have Hopkins), they do need a slot receiver with KeKe Coutee injured with an ankle. Plus he brings return help on special teams. Again McKenzie is on the bubble for us. So, we're fine without him. I know it's not a popular opinion right now, but I think losing players like McCoy and Zay hurts our team for this year. We'd gain DE help, but lose talent at two other positions. Guys who look to be playing a lot for us this year. You could be right with Lawson...contract year coming up, so Texans get a good player. Yeldon? maybe. McKenzie? Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: I just don’t get why the dolphins would get him when they’re seemingly tearing it down? Doesn’t make much sense, but nothing the Dolphins do ever makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: I just don’t get why the dolphins would get him when they’re seemingly tearing it down? Because most people don’t plan a 5 year turnaround like many here discuss as the plan. They can flip this year and plan to compete in what could be a wide open division in 2020 pretty easily as an expectation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, thebandit27 said: Wow, you really hate trade talk that much? How long and how many pages has this Clowney thing lasted this offseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: We are trimming players at a few positions that will likely by signed by other teams. Might as well get something out of them and if we can sign Clowney long term that is a bonus. But if we pay Clowney long term, what does that mean for extending Edmunds in a couple years? I can’t see the Bills FO throwing that much money at one area of the team. Oh well, it’s not my money. Edited August 25, 2019 by skibum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, skibum said: But if we pay Clowney long term, what does that mean for extending Edmunds in a couple years? I can’t see the Bills FO throwing that much money at one area of the team. Won’t Hughes be coming off the books then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: I think it will be Shady & Zay for Clowney. Having him line up opposite Jerry would be huge. He's only 26 and his best years are ahead. It also would send a hell of a message to 52 other guys about immediate expectations. This is isn’t a compete for a wild card move. This is a go for a championship move 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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