Alphadawg7 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Seeing Duke blocking and making the catches guys like KB, Holmes, and Zay routinely have dropped last 2 years makes him a must keep IMO. I can think of multiple games we win had Duke been on the other end of the pass instead of one of them. Reliable hands, high pointing, contested catches, and blocking. It’s a need on this team. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Seeing Duke blocking and making the catches guys like KB, Holmes, and Zay routinely have dropped last 2 years makes him a must keep IMO. I can think of multiple games we win had Duke been on the other end of the pass instead of one of them. Reliable hands, high pointing, contested catches, and blocking. It’s a need on this team. *hard eye roll* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 hours ago, Bangarang said: He was invisible for pretty much all of training camp.. How do you know he was invisible? Do you believe the coaching staff gave him the most WR reps in the 3rd preseason game based solely on 3 catches in the 2nd game? Seems pretty far-fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 The one thing I'd like to see -- which unfortunately we won't GET to see before cutdown day -- is Williams making plays with Josh Allen under center. To the best of my recollection, the only chemistry and success Duke has shown so far is with Matt Barkley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: How do you know he was invisible? I have eyes. 8 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Do you believe the coaching staff gave him the most WR reps in the 3rd preseason game based solely on 3 catches in the 2nd game? Seems pretty far-fetched. Is that what I said? And why are we clinging to preseason rep counts? Guys get more or less work in the preseason for a plethora of reasons. Your guess is as good as mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) I am thinking it is going to come down to Foster or Williams for a roster spot. I think they are putting Foster out on special teams to see if he gives them anything there. If so he becomes more valuable than Williams. Maybe Zay gets traded opening a spot. I think only 6 WRs will be kept once the final roster cuts are made. Edited August 26, 2019 by billieve420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 14 hours ago, Bangarang said: He was invisible for pretty much all of training camp.. Sorry Bang, I normally agree with alot of your takes but not here. Who do you want to keep instead of Duke? And please don't say Ray Ray..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I have eyes. Oh, so you attended all or most preseason practices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Oh, so you attended all or most preseason practices? Not all but many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Not all but many. And how much did you focus on what Duke Williams was doing and how much the coaches were interacting with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Sorry Bang, I normally agree with alot of your takes but not here. Who do you want to keep instead of Duke? And please don't say Ray Ray..... I don’t have a problem with keeping Duke. Like I said, he’s a fringe roster guy and is battling it out for one of the final spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: And how much did you focus on what Duke Williams was doing and how much the coaches were interacting with him? I didn’t keep a journal for each practice but I was mostly focused on the offense since that was obviously our weak spot last year and we added a lot of new players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I didn’t keep a journal for each practice but I was mostly focused on the offense since that was obviously our weak spot last year and we added a lot of new players. Who stood out to you the most as far as what you were able to view? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: Who stood out to you the most as far as what you were able to view? Of the WRs? John Brown for sure. Of the rookies? Singletary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) On 8/24/2019 at 12:27 AM, transplantbillsfan said: ...and I just don't think he clears wavers. 2 TDs and 6 catches in the last couple games. Both TDs of him high pointing the ball. And anyone notice he was getting some pretty significant #1 reps tonight? I think after Brown and Beasley there's a lot of wiggle room. Zay simply shouldn't be guaranteed the roster spot that I think he is. Neither should Roberts for that matter... McKenzie has played himself onto the roster and can return. I still think Foster is close to a lock and the coaching staff is playing long game mind games with him. So almost guaranteed we keep 6 WRs on the active roster. Add a 7th to keep D'haquille??? Duke blocking grade was higher than our lineman. And that catch vs. Lions where he picked the ball out of the air and then walked into the endzone clutching it above his head. His body control and strength of hands are incredible. I can see him be our redzone go to guy. The Bills are clueless if they let this guy go. As much as I like McKenzie, I don't see cutting Williams for him. Honestly, Bills need to make a trade. It doesn't make sense to cut talent. Edited August 26, 2019 by dezertbill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Having Duke allows the bills to start the year with 3 TEs.. They can use him as a blocker on run downs instead of or with 1 TE... Croom odd man out. Then decision to be made week 7 when Kroft is off PUP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Of the WRs? John Brown for sure. Of the rookies? Singletary. Yeah Brown was definitely making some noise as far as what I had been able to read about it, Singletary too. Unfortunately I've never been able to make it to view a TC session. Always interesting in hearing what people actually see and not just read the tweets and whatnot. As far as Duke goes though IMO I hope he makes the team, nice to see WR's catching the ball more often like their suppose to. Edited August 26, 2019 by Patrick_Duffy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 No problem if they decide to keep Duke, but to claim they “need to” keep him is nuts. There will be numerous wideouts more accomplished than Duke, with the same size and skillset, cut in a few days by other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: No problem if they decide to keep Duke, but to claim they “need to” keep him is nuts. There will be numerous wideouts more accomplished than Duke, with the same size and skillset, cut in a few days by other teams. This is true. However I hope and would rather they keep him instead since he would be more familiar with the system than another WR with the same skill set that is cut from another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said: This is true. However I hope and would rather they keep him instead since he would be more familiar with the system than another WR with the same skill set that is cut from another team. Hell yeah and that’s probably the best reason to keep him. Like I said I wouldn’t be mad at all if they kept him. Guy’s made a few impressive plays and it isn’t like he’d be taking the spot of some superstar wideout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: Hell yeah and that’s probably the best reason to keep him. Like I said I wouldn’t be mad at all if they kept him. Guy’s made a few impressive plays and it isn’t like he’d be taking the spot of some superstar wideout. Yup, he has been making the kind catches that we saw KB and Zay drop numerous times last season. And it's pretty obvious (to me anyways) that Duke has been definitely making the most of his opportunities thus far. In any event we will see how the cookie crumbles very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 With Duke's size, 6-3 230, is he a replacement for DiMarco? and becomes a swiss army knife type player, e.g. H-back, third TE, goal line specialist, He has linebacker size if he can play teams, he's a real interesting player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 6:02 PM, transplantbillsfan said: They aren’ t playing starters largely to make sure they don’t get hurt. Cole Beasley 17 - he is definitely a starter. On 8/25/2019 at 12:19 PM, Roch-A-Bill said: For those who like to read tea leaves, Duke Williams is featured in an official Bills video recently uploaded. Doubt the PR department would allow this to happen to someone who's slated to be cut... https://www.buffalobills.com/video/duke-williams-it-all-starts-with-practice This is same production people who do the website and once they posted the wrong score. This does not mean much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 8 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said: A preseason like this one makes me wish they would increase the active roster size by 2-3 more. And don’t even get me started on game day inactives. Ridiculous. Game day inactives are there for a reason - players would get dinged and released rather than not being used for a couple of weeks. Having some inactive allows players who need a break to recover and players who need development time and would be taken of PS place to be. Roster, both active and PS, have been increased multiple times. Rosters used to be ?44? players when I started watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 4 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said: Having Duke allows the bills to start the year with 3 TEs.. They can use him as a blocker on run downs instead of or with 1 TE... Croom odd man out. Then decision to be made week 7 when Kroft is off PUP this is fine thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: Cole Beasley 17 - he is definitely a starter. Follow the thread of that conversation please. I never said the Bills aren't playing their starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I at this point hope they keep 7 recievers and only 3 tight ends if Williams is a good blocker( I simply have no idea if he can block) Williams is a physical freak and can be used many ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 Brown, Beasley, Foster, Roberts, Jones are the 5. The rest comes down to how many Wrs? Seperation is more important than size in the regular season. McKenzie is the 6th. I dont see how they keep 7. Williams is on a short list of who they call if a Wr goes down. I think Yeldon makes the roster. That makes 5 Rb/Fb not enough room for an extra Wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) Compared to Kelvin Benjamin, is he: Faster More athletic Better hands Better route runner Better effort Understands the offense better It's a low bar but if yes to all, he's a keeper. Edited August 27, 2019 by keepthefaith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 14 hours ago, Bangarang said: This is is what you want to hang your hat on? Pretty weak. It's weak to point to the fact that in game 3 of preseason--the "dress rehearsal"--that Duke had more snaps than any other WR, including a bunch of snaps in the 1st half with the 1s??? Sounds like you went to "many" TC practices, but clearly the coaches are seeing something you didn't in your expert TC observations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 9 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said: No problem if they decide to keep Duke, but to claim they “need to” keep him is nuts. There will be numerous wideouts more accomplished than Duke, with the same size and skillset, cut in a few days by other teams. Size and skillset... Great... Duke looks mean and hungry and like he knows this might be his last shot in the NFL... that's why the Bills need to keep him, along with the obvious size and skillset stuff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Size and skillset... Great... Duke looks mean and hungry and like he knows this might be his last shot in the NFL... that's why the Bills need to keep him, along with the obvious size and skillset stuff. I mean, I am not sure how you can accurately quantify “mean” and “hungry” (maybe you have a system) but yes he may be both those things which I could care less about if a more talented, experienced receiver becomes available after cuts. But, as I said, I won’t mind at all if they keep Duke. I like what i’ve seen in 2 practice games. Against backups. People here that went to camp said he didn’t do squat in practice. He’s got character issues. Yet you and others are way quick to shrug that off but we got a collection of pitchforks for zay jones. Im just saying, it’s sounds like you’re just picking your favorites and not really having much to back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 DaRick Rogers Dez Lewis Dhaquille "Duke" Williams The "Rule of D" which states preseason darling longshot WRs must be cut is in play here. Same goes for David Sills. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 54 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's weak to point to the fact that in game 3 of preseason--the "dress rehearsal"--that Duke had more snaps than any other WR, including a bunch of snaps in the 1st half with the 1s??? Yes, that’s correct. You’re doing that thing you do except it’s for an overrated WR instead of a QB. Quote Sounds like you went to "many" TC practices, but clearly the coaches are seeing something you didn't in your expert TC observations. I like the snark here and your skepticism that I went to a bunch of practices as if that’s something worth lying about. Maybe it’s tough for you to believe that there are people who live locally and can take advantage of going to free practices? And where did I claim to have expert observations? You don’t need to be an expert to see a guy isn’t making plays in practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relevance Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 5:11 AM, finn said: Jeremy Lin was overlooked at virtually every point in his career because he is Korean, and "everyone knows" Koreans can't play basketball. Jeremy Lin isn't Korean, he's Chinese/Taiwanese, but he was born and raised in California. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 7 hours ago, freddyjj said: DaRick Rogers Dez Lewis Dhaquille "Duke" Williams The "Rule of D" which states preseason darling longshot WRs must be cut is in play here. Same goes for David Sills. ? Glad it doesn’t apply to RBs.... I like this singletary kid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted August 27, 2019 Author Share Posted August 27, 2019 https://theathletic.com/1161883/2019/08/26/projecting-the-bills-53-man-roster-heading-into-the-final-preseason-game/ Projecting the Bills’ 53-man roster heading into the final preseason game Wide Receiver (7) John Brown, Cole Beasley, Zay Jones, Andre Roberts, Robert Foster, Isaiah McKenzie, Duke Williams Through three preseason games, Duke Williams has done enough to make the initial Bills roster. It all began for him right near the end of training camp at St. John Fisher College, where it seemed like something clicked for the receiver. Williams brought in a contested catch in the end zone during practice, and from that point forward, he’s been on a steady incline. He provides something that no other receiver on the roster does with his size, and now he’s starting to figure out how to win on his routes. His effectiveness as a run blocker is a significant factor in the decision, as well. Williams should hang on through the initial 53-man roster, but if the team makes a waiver claim over the weekend, he could end up on the shortlist to be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 (edited) https://mobile.twitter.com/cover_1_/status/1166454589794738178 not sure if this cut up of him has been posted yet. He’s just a freaking gamer. Pads came on, games finally started and he started climbing the depth chart. Need to find a spot for him! …. sorry I'm a tech idiot and don't know how to get the twitter vid straight to this page. maybe somebody else can. Edited August 27, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 I don’t know if he can get even just a little separation from NFL CB’s. That might still cost him a roster spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted August 27, 2019 Share Posted August 27, 2019 On 8/24/2019 at 3:32 AM, ganesh said: It will now come to between McKenzie and Foster. Williams has earned a roster spot. we'd be fools not to keep foster across from brown. that would negate either one and make the whole speed on the outside a waste.....imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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