Ol Dirty B Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Ralonzo said: Now something about the importance of pre-season, that's fine. That's an argument. But you dismissed OP's argument pretty much out of hand, without a real reason other than "harrr I'm old guy i seen it all." The original point was the team's execution and I augmented. And neither of us agree with John McKay, but it sounds like you do... do you? Why? I'm sorry but what are you on? John McKay? Old guy? I'm 29. You ***** up bra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 So, we played a fun pre-season football game and looked good doing it! Doesn't stop folks here from degenerating into some random argument about God knows what! This place is toxic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: I said it through two posts. Look at the teams that are the most penalized. They are usually winning teams. The discipline stuff is overdone. I can't spell it out for you anymore. Maybe I can get it done in braille That's an argument you may wish to make. I happen to believe 15-yard penalties for no good reason don't normally help the team toward victory. You can cite your stats and I can cite my reason and we can agree to disagree about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I guess they have more depth at most positions which is a good thing but we knew that going into the preseason. Even if the Colts and Panthers played all their best players it's still a vanilla scheme vs. a vanilla scheme. The real test doesn't start until opening day so I'll say it....slow down. It's only preseason. Just be happy nobody noteworthy was injured. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: That's an argument you may wish to make. I happen to believe 15-yard penalties for no good reason don't normally help the team toward victory. You can cite your stats and I can cite my reason and we can agree to disagree about it. Or... i can just say this is the last post I'll ever have in regards to you. You with your Fredo *****. You're a clown. John Mckay. Wtf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, Logic said: That's weird. I don't seem to remember the Bills playing Lorenzo Alexander or Micah Hyde on defense last week, yet they shut down the Colts offense pretty convincingly. I don't seem to remember Mitch Morse, Ty Nsekhe, or John Brown suiting up for Buffalo tonight. The Bills offense still took it to the Panthers defense. Look: You can only play the people on the field. If the opposition is without key players, it means you'd better DOMINATE them. And the Bills did -- even though they, too, were missing key players. Like I said, the alternative -- and this is happening across the league to teams who are playing against opposition that are resting star players -- is to come out and look bad and fail to execute EVEN THOUGH the opposition is not at full strength. What would you say then? If you want to be a pessimist about it and refuse to take even a modicum of cautious optimism from the fact that the Bills have looked better than their opponents two weeks in a row, then so be it. Fandom must be a real drag for you with that type of outlook. Me? I'll roll with cautious optimism, because life is short and sports are supposed to be fun. Take a top 5 QB from the starting roster and the skill positions look a whole lot different. Are you honestly comparing a LB, S, C, OT, and WR with someone like Andrew Luck or Cam Newton? That somehow those positions have the value one of those QBs has to their team? I know you're looking for any excuse to show that 2019 is surely different, but we don't know yet. It's okay to wait and see before declaring the team on the glide path to the playoffs. For the record, here's Buffalo's results from the last 5 pre-seasons: 2018 2-2 83 PF 88 PA (final season record 6-10) 2017 1-3 62 PF 67 PA (final record 9-7) 2016 1-3 55 PF 71 PA (final record 7-9) 2015 2-2 88 PF 71 PA (final record 8-8) 2014 1-4 63 PF 104 PA (final record 9-7) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, Ol Dirty B said: Or... i can just say this is the last post I'll ever have in regards to you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: So, we played a fun pre-season football game and looked good doing it! Doesn't stop folks here from degenerating into some random argument about God knows what! This place is toxic. Good word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BillsVet said: Take a top 5 QB from the starting roster and the skill positions look a whole lot different. Are you honestly comparing a LB, S, C, OT, and WR with someone like Andrew Luck or Cam Newton? That somehow those positions have the value one of those QBs has to their team? I know you're looking for any excuse to show that 2019 is surely different, but we don't know yet. It's okay to wait and see before declaring the team on the glide path to the playoffs. For the record, here's Buffalo's results from the last 5 pre-seasons: 2018 2-2 83 PF 88 PA (final season record 6-10) 2017 1-3 62 PF 67 PA (final record 9-7) 2016 1-3 55 PF 71 PA (final record 7-9) 2015 2-2 88 PF 71 PA (final record 8-8) 2014 1-4 63 PF 104 PA (final record 9-7) I'm didn't step in with the intention to take up OP's part here but didn't OP specifically say something about looking at execution only? Not just numbers? That is to say, watching the game, looking at the execution in the individual matchups? 53 minutes ago, Logic said: Score and schemes may not matter in preseason, but EXECUTION MATTERS. Something like that. So he says "scores and schemes may not matter," and the response is... scores? Why are we trying to bring the last 5 year stats into this? Edited August 17, 2019 by Ralonzo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 If we play bad it’s just preseason.. If we play good, It’s super bowl time. You should know this by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 56 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: You know what it is, Fredo I don't think it would be a good idea to mess with the Fredo you're referencing. Guy's built like a linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Logic said: This year, like many years in the past two decades, there are a lot of Bills fans saying "Slow down, it's only preseason. It doesn't mean anything yet". There's one key difference, though: Most years, we're saying it because the Bills look sloppy, disjointed, and ineffective. We're saying it to calm our anxieties and talk ourselves off the ledge, because the Bills look like a 5-win football team. This year? Well...this year we're saying it because the Bills look better than their opponents on both offense and defense. In the past, we've been trying to talk ourselves into more than 5 wins. "It's only preseason, they'll figure it out". This year, we're trying to talk ourselves out of a breakout, 10-win type season. "It's only preseason, it's all vanilla schemes, it doesn't matter". See, here's the thing about that constantly uttered preseason phrase "it's only preseason, it doesn't matter": If we're talking about the SCOREBOARD, that's true. If we're talking about EXECUTION, it's a filthy lie. Sure, the opposing defense is running vanilla plays out of a limited playbook. All the more reason you want your offense to easily be able to march it down field against them. Sure, the opposing offense is trying not to tip their hand and is calling a limited script of plays. All the more reason you want your defense to easily shut them down and keep points off the board. Score and schemes may not matter in preseason, but EXECUTION MATTERS. If your offensive linemen hold their blocks, it matters. If your receivers beat the men across from them, get open, and catch the ball, it matters. If your defense plays as a unit, shoots gaps, and keeps the score low, it matters. All things being equal, you have to look SOME SORT OF WAY in preseason, right? So wouldn't you rather that your team dominate the opponent? Put a different way: How would you all feel right now if Allen and the Bills stunk up the joint the past few weeks? Well, you'd still be saying "It's only preseason", but you'd be saying it for a very different reason. Look, we all know: it is a good idea to temper expectations in the preseason for the aforementioned reasons. Nevertheless: the Bills are executing their assignments more effectively than their opponents, their rookie quarterback looks vastly improved, and their defense looks absolutely stifling. When I flash back to all of the preseason ineffectiveness of recent years, I notice that it almost always carried over into the regular season. If you can't execute against vanilla schemes, you DAMN sure can't execute when the lights come on for real. So maybe, just maybe, the Bills preseason effectiveness this year will carry into the regular season. Maybe they'll keep out-executing opponents. The score and schemes may not matter, but execution matters. Two more weeks and then we all get to see the Bills in real, important NFL regular season action. Until then, I'll keep trying to remind myself: "Slow down, it's only preseason". We haven’t faced a starting QB yet. Colts sat their TEs, a few WRs and starting C. Panthers sat their Elite RB and MLB. It’s a lot easier to out execute your opponent when they have backups in for elite players. Calm down it’s only preseason Edited August 17, 2019 by Not at the table Karlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Ol Dirty B said: I mean, I don't really care about preseason. My point was don't take much away from it. They haven't faced anyone. I hope they play this good in the regular season, my point was the competition hasn't been much. Some people are sensitive. Well if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Of course someone who would come up with the username logic would write that. I'll just tell you what you want to hear, you're correct. This is clearly no thread for logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Ralonzo said: I'm didn't step in with the intention to take up OP's part here but didn't OP specifically say something about looking at execution only? Not just numbers? That is to say, watching the game, looking at the execution in the individual matchups? Something like that. So he says "scores and schemes may not matter," and the response is... scores? Why are we trying to bring the last 5 year stats into this? Because billsvet isn't happy unless he's miserable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Great point op. Need to temper optimism instead of concern. btw- I’m calling it now. Josh Allen is making this team. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Well for starters, neither team has played their starting QB or RB. Indy didn't play TY Hilton. Carolina didn't play Kuechly on defense. You can't take anything away from the games. Consider yourself enlightened. O, ODB...UBD There is much to be taken from preseason games. I’m sure you realize this, but your hyperbolic take won’t allow you to admit it. Perhaps after a good nights sleep you’ll feel differently. 3 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: We haven’t faced a starting QB yet. Colts sat their TEs, a few WRs and starting C. Panthers sat their Elite RB and MLB. It’s a lot easier to out execute your opponent when they have backups in for elite players. Calm down it’s only preseason Phew, thank god we have you here to keep us grounded Karlos. Phew. 4 hours ago, BillsVet said: For the record, here's Buffalo's results from the last 5 pre-seasons: 2018 2-2 83 PF 88 PA (final season record 6-10) 2017 1-3 62 PF 67 PA (final record 9-7) 2016 1-3 55 PF 71 PA (final record 7-9) 2015 2-2 88 PF 71 PA (final record 8-8) 2014 1-4 63 PF 104 PA (final record 9-7) What’s your point? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm not italian nor a liberal. Again, I try not to talk politics with uneducated people. You ***** know I'd be banned for that post I quoted lol. You don’t have to be Italian to be a Fredo. They come in all shapes, sizes and colors. ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I tend to watch individuals in preseason rather than the whole. Allen for example is going through his progressions better and using the short pass more. I like seeing that. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Where you at? LOL! Got love the internet trash talk! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: LOL! Got love the internet trash talk! Careful, I hear he’s built like a LB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'm not italian nor a liberal. Again, I try not to talk politics with uneducated people. You ***** know I'd be banned for that post I quoted lol. why do you feel the need to be such a dick man? Edited August 17, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Of course someone who would come up with the username logic would write that. I'll just tell you what you want to hear, you're correct. This is clearly no thread for logic. 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Consider yourself enlightened. 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: But you can probably go join the OP in making points that contradict facts. 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I'd click on that but I'd rather not get into politics with uneducated people. 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Some people are sensitive. 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Jesus dude. You are simple. 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I can't spell it out for you anymore. Maybe I can get it done in braille 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: You with your Fredo *****. You're a clown. I think it is probably not the other posters you are responding to that have an issue with being sensitive. It seems, when anyone dares disagree with you in any way, your responses become angry, condescending, insulting, and generally aggressive. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: I think it is probably not the other posters you are responding to that have an issue with being sensitive. It seems, when anyone dares disagree with you in any way, your responses become angry, condescending, insulting, and generally aggressive. It’s the juice that does it to him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I mean, I don't really care about preseason. My point was don't take much away from it. They haven't faced anyone. I hope they play this good in the regular season, my point was the competition hasn't been much. Some people are sensitive. Says the guy talking trash on a message board at 1:00 am like an angry 13 year old boy. 7 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think it is probably not the other posters you are responding to that have an issue with being sensitive. It seems, when anyone dares disagree with you in any way, your responses become angry, condescending, insulting, and generally aggressive. Immature is the right word. 12 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said: Careful, I hear he’s built like a LB. Aaron Maybin built? Edited August 17, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 He’ll get banned again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 37 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Great point op. Need to temper optimism instead of concern. btw- I’m calling it now. Josh Allen is making this team. ...prolly PS............... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Immature is the right word. It’s the juice I’m telling you. Nobody gets looking like that without some help. You know that ***** messes with people’s heads, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He’ll get banned again soon. ...unchecked Fisher-Price wifi strikes AGAIN........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Yes it is preseason and it’s been fun to watch so far. 33 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He’ll get banned again soon. You’d think he’d have learned something the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Some penalties are undisciplined, some are over-aggressive, some are because you suck and you have to hold because you cannot do it right, some are because you are a scumbag like Vontaze Burfict. The Bills had a ridiculous amount of unforced error penalties because they were undisciplined, from a coach who screams for it. lots of OL and ST penalties last year, primarily of the “we suck so we hold” and “our position coaches suck” variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Fredo is tired of arguing. I disagreed on the importance of preseason, and I'm tired of it. I hope they keep it up, I've just seen it before. Can't wait until I get banned for being insulted again. Well, OK then.. We aim to please. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I mean, I don't really care about preseason. My point was don't take much away from it. They haven't faced anyone. I hope they play this good in the regular season, my point was the competition hasn't been much. Some people are sensitive. It’s your delivery, man. I think it’s a lot less about people being sensitive and much more about you coming off as a jerk. But, by all means, you do you. Edited August 17, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Well for starters, neither team has played their starting QB or RB. Indy didn't play TY Hilton. Carolina didn't play Kuechly on defense. You can't take anything away from the games. Consider yourself enlightened. The Colts did play their starting QB. Meanwhile, we didn't play our Pro Bowl safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: I mean, I don't really care about preseason. My point was don't take much away from it. They haven't faced anyone. I hope they play this good in the regular season, my point was the competition hasn't been much. Some people are sensitive. Don’t you think the Bills themselves realize what they have been up against these two games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: until barkley leads the team to the greatest come back in nfl history, there will be no comparison. Wouldn't he have had to do that in college first? I mean, if we’re really looking for comparison.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: Wouldn't he have had to do that in college first? I mean, if we’re really looking for comparison.. lol, I posted that in the wrong thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, BillsVet said: Take a top 5 QB from the starting roster and the skill positions look a whole lot different. Are you honestly comparing a LB, S, C, OT, and WR with someone like Andrew Luck or Cam Newton? That somehow those positions have the value one of those QBs has to their team? I know you're looking for any excuse to show that 2019 is surely different, but we don't know yet. It's okay to wait and see before declaring the team on the glide path to the playoffs. For the record, here's Buffalo's results from the last 5 pre-seasons: 2018 2-2 83 PF 88 PA (final season record 6-10) 2017 1-3 62 PF 67 PA (final record 9-7) 2016 1-3 55 PF 71 PA (final record 7-9) 2015 2-2 88 PF 71 PA (final record 8-8) 2014 1-4 63 PF 104 PA (final record 9-7) It's almost like you didn't read my post at all. I admitted that record and final outcome of games don't matter. I said that I look for sound execution, which the Bills have demonstrated. I never said this preseason means that the Bills are winning the Super Bowl this year. I just said they've looked very good, out-executed their opponents, and have done so in a way that leads me to believe their performance will carry over into the regular season. And if the point is "cool it, it's only preseason, we have to wait and see", well...I know that. It's the title of the thread. 5 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said: We haven’t faced a starting QB yet. Colts sat their TEs, a few WRs and starting C. Panthers sat their Elite RB and MLB. It’s a lot easier to out execute your opponent when they have backups in for elite players. Calm down it’s only preseason ? What if the Bills HADN'T out-executed their opponents even though they're resting starters? That's happening all around the league this preseason. Sloppy performances by teams going against opponents who are resting key players. You're SUPPOSED to dominate opponents who are resting starters, and the Bills have. And once again, THE BILLS were also missing key players. Are Alexander and Hyde not crucial to defensive success? Are Morse, Nsekhe, and Brown not going to play big parts on offense this year? If all anyone has to refute my (admittedly cautious and tempered) enthusiasm is "but our opponents have been resting starters", well...did you read the original post? Edited August 17, 2019 by Logic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: lol, I posted that in the wrong thread. Ya big dummy ? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 17, 2019 Author Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I guess they have more depth at most positions which is a good thing but we knew that going into the preseason. Even if the Colts and Panthers played all their best players it's still a vanilla scheme vs. a vanilla scheme. The real test doesn't start until opening day so I'll say it....slow down. It's only preseason. Just be happy nobody noteworthy was injured. I have this recurring feeling that people didn't read the original post. My basic point was that while schemes and scores don't matter, execution does, and the Bills have been executing well. Our players have been lining up and beating the players lined up across from them. I don't care who those players lined up across from them are. Your job in football is to out-execute the player you're going against in individual matchups ("do your one eleventh"), and the Bills have been. Personnel and scheme don't matter to me. Execution does. Edited August 17, 2019 by Logic 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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