That's No Moon Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: Yeah, one tweet caused all this insanity. I’ll wait. No, it's one tweet combined with a player being dressed and held out of practice entirely with 0 explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, Chemical said: Also, I could be wrong but isn’t he being slightly misused as a LB in Houston? They have a few good pass rushers which some would say take focus off him. But what about the times Watt or Mercilus get to the QB just before him? I believe Houston plays a 3-4, which would make Clowney an OLB. Watt has been injured the last few years and Mercilus has been a force. I'm not convinced Clowney is a game changer with little help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: Yeah, one tweet caused all this insanity. I’ll wait. Absolutely. It's always hard to tell if there is a plethora of random tweets because there is actually something to it, or if they are just piggybacking off of the first idiot randomly throwing poop at the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: I believe Houston plays a 3-4, which would make Clowney an OLB. Watt has been injured the last few years and Mercilus has been a force. I'm not convinced Clowney is a game changer with little help. My point was Clowney is a more natural fit as a DE in a 4-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Chemical said: No you keep changing the subject Seriously? I replied to the exact comment in the post....your post. You are really interpreting this as changing the subject? I never alluded to anything that the point was not to win a Super Bowl. I simply commented if we do win one, they will be a reason because this is a team game. Where are you getting lost? Edited August 14, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 On 8/12/2019 at 7:46 PM, Joe in Winslow said: On 8/12/2019 at 7:43 PM, GunnerBill said: A 4th and Ty Nsheke? it is a bit odd that Ty didn't see the field today with no mention of injury ... basically a healthy scratch and he had been starting at RT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 8 minutes ago, Chemical said: Probably not, but I would franchise tag him. We have cap space next two years before an Allen extension, in theory. One thing i know for sure is he will have more impact than Nsekhe and whatever version of Murphy or Lotuloei we would use the cap space on. I hope you're not expecting to give Clowney a short term contract. I doubt he accepts that. 1 minute ago, Chemical said: My point was Clowney is a more natural fit as a DE in a 4-3 I see. Could be. For some reason, this seems like slightly better Mario Williams scenario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Chemical said: My point was Clowney is a more natural fit as a DE in a 4-3 No doubt. Actually, he's an ideal fit for the LDE role in McDermott's scheme, and he's got the versatility to play on the EDGE, at the 7-tech spot, off the ball, etc. This staff LOVES versatility. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: I hope you're not expecting to give Clowney a short term contract. I doubt he accepts that. It's the reason why his days in Houston seem to be over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Lots of smoke right now but I just don't get why the Bills would do this for a possible rental. Keep the oline in tact now that you finally have one. Josh Allen gets this team to the playoffs, NOT Clowney. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No doubt. Actually, he's an ideal fit for the LDE role in McDermott's scheme, and he's got the versatility to play on the EDGE, at the 7-tech spot, off the ball, etc. This staff LOVES versatility. So what if the offer is Ty N. and a middle round pick..... Ford goes to RT....we have several guards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Didn't Ty N own Clowney last year? Maybe we should just keep Ty lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Lots of smoke right now but I just don't get why the Bills would do this for a possible rental. Keep the oline in tact now that you finally have one. Josh Allen gets this team to the playoffs, NOT Clowney. Yes....but they actually covered themselves with the Ford pick because he can play RT and we brought in several guards..... Just now, DJB said: Didn't Ty N own Clowney last year? Maybe we should just keep Ty lol Not against that either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: Why would the Bills trade for a rental? you think the Bills aren't negotiating a longer term deal before they make this trade. Guarantee the Bills are IF they do this Edited August 14, 2019 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Lots of smoke right now but I just don't get why the Bills would do this for a possible rental. Keep the oline in tact now that you finally have one. Josh Allen gets this team to the playoffs, NOT Clowney. Maybe they expect Ford to start at RT opening day. Also, as others have suggested they anticipate an O lineman from another team getting cut that they are high on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: it is a bit odd that Ty didn't see the field today with no mention of injury ... basically a healthy scratch and he had been starting at RT Oooo good conspiracy theorizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, BuffaloBaumer said: Lots of smoke right now but I just don't get why the Bills would do this for a possible rental. Keep the oline in tact now that you finally have one. Josh Allen gets this team to the playoffs, NOT Clowney. they would negotiate a long term deal before pulling the trigger Edited August 14, 2019 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, DJB said: Didn't Ty N own Clowney last year? Maybe we should just keep Ty lol No. But carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Oooo good conspiracy theorizing. I almost feel he violated some sort of team rule...they’re on the road. One of my teammates sat a game because he invited a girl into his hotel and the day before games...no guests. Edited August 14, 2019 by Royale with Cheese Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ddaryl said: you think the Bills aren't negotiating a longer term deal before they make this trade. Guarantee the Bills are IF they do this The Bills would be seeing this as an investment for the long haul. The Bills are thinking long term for Clowney. Forget rental. Edited August 14, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. But carry on. Just playing devils advocate. Lol I like Clowney but i don't love him. I've seen plenty of Houston games. He benefits far more from Watt than vice versa. Depending on the cost though im all for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Seriously? I replied to the exact comment in the post....your post. You are really interpreting this as changing the subject? I never alluded to anything that the point was not to win a Super Bowl. I simply commented if we do win one, they will be a reason because this is a team game. Where are you getting lost? Before that you started talking about “Lorax” (your nickname use I don’t call him that) when I was only saying Nsekhe is good value for clowney by pointing out his age and relative obscurity. You don't realize it is changing the subject but it is because your example of “Lorax” doesn’t change the main point that clowney will be here if and when they win a Super Bowl while Nsekhe and “Lorax” will be retired. Edited August 14, 2019 by Chemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) Clowney is still only 26, and even though he is not terribly older than than Oliver and Edmunds, he brings a wealth of experience and elite talent to share. The Bills probably envision 4-5 more productive years from Clowney and he is at or near his prime. I say go for it because the Bills have the cap space and guys like Clowney do not come around too often. Edited August 15, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Clowney is still only 26, and even though he is not terribly older than than Oliver and Edmunds, he brings a wealth of experience and talent to share. The Bills probably envision 4-5 more productive years from Clowney. He is at or nearing his prime, picture him as an accelerated draft pick... Hard Pass on Clowney... 1) We don't know the exact cost 2) Clowney is great, but he's NEVER had double digit sacks in his career 3) We need to also hand him the largest chunk of our Salary Cap AFTER paying big bucks to get him. If we weren't kicking the tires on Mack, who WAS A generational talent, we absolutely should stay away from Clowney who has shown to be VERY good, but had 2 years of no production of note, and then a few years of good production... Who knows which version of Clowney you'll get once he gets paid. Also, just a little tidbit for people who want to give up our starting OT and picks and whatever else and then some and then give $20M Plus to Clowney.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, Chemical said: Before that you started talking about “Lorax” (your nickname use I don’t call him that) when I was only saying Nsekhe is good value for clowney by pointing out his age and relative obscurity. You don't realize it is changing the subject but it is because your example of “Lorax” doesn’t change the main point that clowney will be here if and when they win a Super Bowl while Nsekhe and “Lorax” will he retired. Its called a comparison. It doesn’t mean I changed the subject. Your ability to decipher is amazingly low. Talk about moving goal posts... And thanks for letting me know you don’t call him Lorax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 36 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Yes....but they actually covered themselves with the Ford pick because he can play RT and we brought in several guards..... Not against that either The swing tackles right now are McDermott and a UDRFA that we had to trade for. We're not trading away our starting RT for an edge rusher when the whole season depends on Josh's progression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) https://mobile.twitter.com/CharlesRobinson/status/1161736443032690690 . His culture fit doesn’t seem right and his extension figures - likely around 5 years and $110 million - are a big burden. In case people were wondering how much $ Clowney wants. Also the culture talk is referencing the Eagles Edited August 14, 2019 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, MR8 said: Hard Pass on Clowney... 1) We don't know the exact cost 2) Clowney is great, but he's NEVER had double digit sacks in his career 3) We need to also hand him the largest chunk of our Salary Cap AFTER paying big bucks to get him. If we weren't kicking the tires on Mack, who WAS A generational talent, we absolutely should stay away from Clowney who has shown to be VERY good, but had 2 years of no production of note, and then a few years of good production... Who knows which version of Clowney you'll get once he gets paid. Also, just a little tidbit for people who want to give up our starting OT and picks and whatever else and then some and then give $20M Plus to Clowney.... Clowney is elite. The numbers very clearly show it. The only reason he doesn't have more sacks is he isn't asked to rush the passer as often. When he does his ratio of getting pressure, hits and sacks is elite. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR8 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Clowney is elite. The numbers very clearly show it. The only reason he doesn't have more sacks is he isn't asked to rush the passer as often. When he does his ratio of getting pressure, hits and sacks is elite. If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER? Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple. He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: Likely have a deal on terms with the agent and clowney is willing to sign in the off-season - they can also tag him so the bills have some protection Bulldog (I can’t believe I’m saying this) had a decent point - he said the deal can be structured so that the Bills don’t give up much if he doesn’t sign, but if he does it’s a 1st rounder or something. Not sure Texans bite on that but it protects the Bills and they currently have no GM so are kind of ripe to be “Beaned” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, MR8 said: If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER? Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple. He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him. Because he is so versatile, does so many things well and is on a team that has other pass rush threats so they do not only ask Clowney to rush. He rushes the passer less often than any other big name edge guy in football. You simply HAVE to dive below the bare sack numbers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 1 minute ago, MR8 said: If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER? Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple. He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him. Coaches will look at players in terms of how a player will perform in their system and not be overly influenced by previous production. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, MR8 said: If he he's "Elite" and the Numbers clearly show it, how is it he hasn't cracked double digit sacks EVER? Numbers include sacks, thats why you pay a pass rusher DE... He's over hyped, plain and simple. He's a VERY good player, but he's no where near worth the money and assets that are going to be needed to get him. To play devils advocate but if this is the criteria...then wouldn’t Ed Oliver then not be an elite prospect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 49 minutes ago, ddaryl said: you think the Bills aren't negotiating a longer term deal before they make this trade. Guarantee the Bills are IF they do this The Bills can’t negotiate a long term deal. As a franchise tagged player after July 15th he has to play on he franchise tag. No teams can negotiate until after the last game of the season. He also has not signed his tender - so currently he can not be traded and rumor has it he has already blocked a trade to Miami. We will see where this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: You simply HAVE to dive below the bare sack 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Just now, whatdrought said: /thread. This ain’t happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 Any move this organization has made recently has been done super quiet. This feels like the Le'veon deal, where this is simply just driving up the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 I’m stunned that no reporter asked anyone WHY they had Ty not take any snaps today. Could have ended a lot of speculation. Unreal no one asked. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, MR8 said: Hard Pass on Clowney... 1) We don't know the exact cost 2) Clowney is great, but he's NEVER had double digit sacks in his career 3) We need to also hand him the largest chunk of our Salary Cap AFTER paying big bucks to get him. If we weren't kicking the tires on Mack, who WAS A generational talent, we absolutely should stay away from Clowney who has shown to be VERY good, but had 2 years of no production of note, and then a few years of good production... Who knows which version of Clowney you'll get once he gets paid. Also, just a little tidbit for people who want to give up our starting OT and picks and whatever else and then some and then give $20M Plus to Clowney.... Of course I am basing this on the best case scenario possible. Injuries aside, and yes they hard to ignore, I am trying to focus on the positives and what a healthy Clowney represents to the Bills. If the Bills are interested in Clowney they have surely measured the risks. He is an elite player in a position of need, and players like him are hard to find. Edited August 15, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 14, 2019 Share Posted August 14, 2019 When it comes to player evaluation I really trust Gunner Gunner...you think we would be ok if its Ty N.? That would be Ford at RT and maybe a OG that wasnt going to make the team possibly makes it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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