Can Christian Wade be the 53 man roster this year

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

The whole question is how are these players treated after cuts.

Do they go thru waivers or not.

That question is not completely defined in the rules we all have read.

 

It seems to me that someone like John Wawrow needs to ask that question to the Bills Front Office.

Maybe someone here can tweet him to see if he will ask.

 

Personally I read it as he doesn't go thru waivers but like I said it's not specified.

I've read it like you have, he doesn't go through waivers and is on the Bills practice squad. I've read articles on all the guys in this since 2017 and everyone reads like they are on the team they are allocated to for the first year. Not in one article did they say the player must clear waivers first, it's put in a way where it sounds like they are automatically on that team's practice squad if they don't make the 53 man roster.

 

[The Frankish Reich]

12 hours ago, ddaryl said:

 

Well if its a now or never then never. Way to big of a  gamble. We have more talented players at needed depth positions to take up a spot on a big time project

 

 

Not really much of a gamble at all. At this point he's competing to be the 53rd man on a 53 man roster. His main competition? (1) Andre Roberts, proven very good return man who was also a decent 4th receiver a few years ago. (2) Isaiah McKenzie, a U.S. version of Wade, cut by the Broncos because he could not hang onto the ball and basically freely available last year. So you keep Wade and he goes all Broncos McKenzie on you; no big deal, you find another McKenzie on the street. Not all teams carry a return specialist, but many do. And watching Wade in preseason and over a long rugby career, you have to conclude that there's more upside there than we see with many other guys. So I'm inclined to take a flyer on him ... let him play a little against the 1s and 2s in the last couple preseason games, and let him return punts (we already know what Roberts and McKenzie can do). If he shows any similar flashes and hangs onto the ball, there's minimal risk in keeping him and lots of potential upside as you gradually work him into a Tarik Cohen role. Sometimes you gotta take a chance if you want to finally beat that team that's finished ahead of you 19 years in a row.

[bargepole]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

IF and it's a big IF, the Bills and another team wanted to sign him it will be to an entry 500k type contract.

Being he has been with the Bills I would think he would sign with Buffalo.

 

According to the Salary Cap chart, Wade is already on a salary of $495,000, same as Singletary. This is roughly the same as what he would have earned if he had stayed in England playing Rugby.

 

But I really can't see that he would be interested in cooling his heels in the PS, this is a guy who needs to be playing every week. He has said this in many interviews. If the Bills don't include him in the 53, and another franchise doesn't pick him, I can see him reverting to his original Plan B, which is to go and play rugby in the Southern Hemisphere (Australia, New Zealand or South Africa).

 

So Sean McDermott has a decision to make - put him on the roster, or risk having Wade rip the Bills' defence to shreds wearing a Jets shirt.

[ALF]

He needs a year on the PS . The Bill's are set at RB for this season.

[Big Turk]

13 hours ago, Mat68 said:

Imo, based off his limited use they wanted to sneak him on P.S.  After those 2 plays on what 3 or 4 touches that is going to be highly unlikely.  Imo Wade has earned more reps and with the second team offense.  If he continues to make plays you find a spot.  I dont care what the perception of him is.  He has the 2 biggest plays of the preseason on limited touches.  Lets see if he continues to make plays vs better defenders.

He has the 2 biggest plays on the preseason on 2 touches.

30 minutes ago, ALF said:

He needs a year on the PS . The Bill's are set at RB for this season.

The dude is 28...next year he will be 29

[HOF4LOU]

It's a joke he is not getting more touches. Is he not showing these flashes in practice? He must be. Give him more touches and see how he does. Time is not a luxury here. He could be a game changer. He can't be tackled. He would sell a boat load of jerseys in UK. Millions of new UK fans. $$$. Shady and Gore will be hurt. Too old beat up horses. This guy needs to be available to play.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Not really much of a gamble at all. At this point he's competing to be the 53rd man on a 53 man roster. His main competition? (1) Andre Roberts, proven very good return man who was also a decent 4th receiver a few years ago. (2) Isaiah McKenzie, a U.S. version of Wade, cut by the Broncos because he could not hang onto the ball and basically freely available last year. So you keep Wade and he goes all Broncos McKenzie on you; no big deal, you find another McKenzie on the street. Not all teams carry a return specialist, but many do. And watching Wade in preseason and over a long rugby career, you have to conclude that there's more upside there than we see with many other guys. So I'm inclined to take a flyer on him ... let him play a little against the 1s and 2s in the last couple preseason games, and let him return punts (we already know what Roberts and McKenzie can do). If he shows any similar flashes and hangs onto the ball, there's minimal risk in keeping him and lots of potential upside as you gradually work him into a Tarik Cohen role. Sometimes you gotta take a chance if you want to finally beat that team that's finished ahead of you 19 years in a row.

 

Hes clearly an elite athlete with transferable skills. If he can play ST, I think he’s got a shot the 53.

 

we all know this FO has no issue with old RBs. 

 

[Rochesterfan]

43 minutes ago, HOF4LOU said:

It's a joke he is not getting more touches. Is he not showing these flashes in practice? He must be. Give him more touches and see how he does. Time is not a luxury here. He could be a game changer. He can't be tackled. He would sell a boat load of jerseys in UK. Millions of new UK fans. $$$. Shady and Gore will be hurt. Too old beat up horses. This guy needs to be available to play.

 

 

Do you not think the coaches see him in practice?  Do you not see that his teammates love him and the plays?

 

It seems pretty obvious that they recognize his talent, but he is not ready for a more extended role.  In training Camp he routinely struggled getting his hands right for a simple handoff - and was getting one on one training with coaches and players from what I saw. Yet we still saw issue that in his one carry in game 1.

 

He is learning things like how to block, but he is still a long way from being ready to handle routine Blitz pick-up or understanding the timing of swinging out to get a dump off.  He struggles understanding blocking - including downfield blocking by his own guys  - as seen in game 2.

 

Even if he made the 53 man roster - he would not be activated on game days.  They are not sitting McCoy, Gore, Devon, or Dimarco.  They 4th RB is most likely Perry or Yeldon - both of which would have specialized roles on either special teams or as a 3rd down pass catcher.  Neither of which Wade is ready for yet.

 

I just do not see a team utilizing a player on both the 53 man roster and the active game day roster that is so limited in experience that he can only be used in a a few plays - especially if the league has designed a way for you to keep him and let him learn on the PS without losing another young talent.

 

Wade has a ton of talent and upside and it is infectious to see how the team celebrated his 2 plays, but right now he is a professional athlete playing against 4th sting guys that he is simply more athletic than and the team does not seem to think he is read for extended time even in the 4th quarter - let alone moving up to play against the 1s and 2s. 

 

Just give it time and be patient and let the team do what is best for Wade and the Bills.

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by Rochesterfan

[EmotionallyUnstable]

I can’t believe this rabbit hole is still going...and look at me, contributing to this pointless merry-go-round 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, bargepole said:

ccording to the Salary Cap chart, Wade is already on a salary of $495,000, same as Singletary. This is roughly the same as what he would have earned if he had stayed in England playing Rugby.

 

But I really can't see that he would be interested in cooling his heels in the PS, this is a guy who needs to be playing every week. He has said this in many interviews. If the Bills don't include him in the 53, and another franchise doesn't pick him, I can see him reverting to his original Plan B, which is to go and play rugby in the Southern Hemisphere (Australia, New Zealand or South Africa).

 

So Sean McDermott has a decision to make - put him on the roster, or risk having Wade rip the Bills' defence to shreds wearing a Jets shirt.

 

Huh?  If Wade leaves because he's unhappy on the PS and not the roster, he won't be back in the NFL, much less for the Jets.

[ddaryl]

11 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Don't know if this is correct, But I'll put it here.

 

 

 

 

SO it sounds like he goes directly to the PS no waivers involved ?

[Doc]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

SO it sounds like he goes directly to the PS no waivers involved ?

 

Yeah.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

SO it sounds like he goes directly to the PS no waivers involved ?

I believe so, but there's not one person I've seen discuss this that knows for sure. All articles I've read make it sound like he makes it to our practice squad provided the Bills place him there. There's no mention of him having to clear waivers.

[MAJBobby]

3 hours ago, matter2003 said:

He has the 2 biggest plays on the preseason on 2 touches.

The dude is 28...next year he will be 29

 

He also has 2.0 YPC in Carolina

and a Drop. 

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, HOF4LOU said:

It's a joke he is not getting more touches. Is he not showing these flashes in practice? He must be. Give him more touches and see how he does. Time is not a luxury here. He could be a game changer. He can't be tackled. He would sell a boat load of jerseys in UK. Millions of new UK fans. $$$. Shady and Gore will be hurt. Too old beat up horses. This guy needs to be available to play.

It's a joke people take preseason so seriously...

[akm0404]

He is not making the team. This is one of those feel good stories like when they give the kid with terminal cancer a carry and let him run for a touchdown and everyone goes nuts. Just enjoy the moment until real football starts

[Stank_Nasty]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He also has 2.0 YPC in Carolina

and a Drop. 

Lol. That was a horrendous pass from Jackson if I recall correctly. 

 

Not nearly as blatant as other drops throughout the preseason from football lifers that also havnt shown the ability to break 2 different huge plays in minimal touches. 

Edited August 18, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[Boca BIlls]

12 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Lol. That was a horrendous pass from Jackson if I recall correctly. 

 

Not nearly as blatant as other drops throughout the preseason from football lifers that also havnt shown the ability to break 2 different huge plays in minimal touches. 

It bounced right off his hands.. HANDS

[3rdnlng]

If only we had a bona fide Hollywood screenwriter here at TSW:

 

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2019/08/duke-williams-thrives-tyree-jackson-struggles-12-buffalo-bills-who-helped-or-hurt-roster-odds-vs-panthers.html

 

Someone in Hollywood should probably start writing a script on Christian Wade. The former rugby player’s feel good story continued against the Panthers. One week after he took his first NFL carry 65 yards for a touchdown, Wade almost scored on his first NFL reception. The running back broke multiple tackles on a short pass from Tyree Jackson and took the ball 48 yards down the field.

 

He fell just shy of scoring another touchdown, but he once again brought life to Buffalo’s sideline.

"I could feel the sideline. Like, it felt like a tidal wave about to come over me, you know? That was another special moment for Christian and our team,” Sean McDermott told the media following the Bills’ win.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

What they are saying 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, Warcodered said:

So he can't be taken off of waivers but at the end of the season he becomes an unrestricted free agent that last part kinda sucks.

Exactly. Sort of defeats purpose of putting him on PS for Bills if this means other teams can sign him not year.  Yes he is another body for practice but that is not much especially since due to NFLPA there is very little contact practice.

[MAJBobby]

47 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Lol. That was a horrendous pass from Jackson if I recall correctly. 

 

Not nearly as blatant as other drops throughout the preseason from football lifers that also havnt shown the ability to break 2 different huge plays in minimal touches. 

And ANY Back on the roster could have done the same. In the same situation as wade. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

59 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He also has 2.0 YPC in Carolina

and a Drop. 

 

Ok so his preseason ypc is 30? 

[Ralonzo]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

 

He also has 2.0 YPC in Carolina

and a Drop. 

 

There should be a special category for dropping one of Tyree's tumblers.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

38 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

And ANY Back on the roster could have done the same. In the same situation as wade. 

Could have but haven’t 

 

[PromoTheRobot]

2 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

Do you not think the coaches see him in practice?  Do you not see that his teammates love him and the plays?

 

It seems pretty obvious that they recognize his talent, but he is not ready for a more extended role.  In training Camp he routinely struggled getting his hands right for a simple handoff - and was getting one on one training with coaches and players from what I saw. Yet we still saw issue that in his one carry in game 1.

 

He is learning things like how to block, but he is still a long way from being ready to handle routine Blitz pick-up or understanding the timing of swinging out to get a dump off.  He struggles understanding blocking - including downfield blocking by his own guys  - as seen in game 2.

 

Even if he made the 53 man roster - he would not be activated on game days.  They are not sitting McCoy, Gore, Devon, or Dimarco.  They 4th RB is most likely Perry or Yeldon - both of which would have specialized roles on either special teams or as a 3rd down pass catcher.  Neither of which Wade is ready for yet.

 

I just do not see a team utilizing a player on both the 53 man roster and the active game day roster that is so limited in experience that he can only be used in a a few plays - especially if the league has designed a way for you to keep him and let him learn on the PS without losing another young talent.

 

Wade has a ton of talent and upside and it is infectious to see how the team celebrated his 2 plays, but right now he is a professional athlete playing against 4th sting guys that he is simply more athletic than and the team does not seem to think he is read for extended time even in the 4th quarter - let alone moving up to play against the 1s and 2s. 

 

Just give it time and be patient and let the team do what is best for Wade and the Bills.

 

 

Exactly. A year on the PS learning the complete game. He could well make the 53 in 2020.

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Could have but haven’t 

 

 

Really has Shady Gore Singletary Gone Against Future Insurance salesman and have a hole that you can drive a truck thru and a play where it was pop warner tackling?

[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

I believe so, but there's not one person I've seen discuss this that knows for sure. All articles I've read make it sound like he makes it to our practice squad provided the Bills place him there. There's no mention of him having to clear waivers.

My question has been that it seems obvious he doesn't have to clear waivers to be 11th PS member. But then he can't play. What happens if the Bills WANT to have him available this season and put him on the PS as one of their 10. Not the freebie. Surely he would have to go through waivers. But can they do that is the question. 

 

I haven't seen that addressed in articles. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

My question has been that it seems obvious he doesn't have to clear waivers to be 11th PS member. But then he can't play. What happens if the Bills WANT to have him available this season and put him on the PS as one of their 10. Not the freebie. Surely he would have to go through waivers. But can they do that is the question. 

 

I haven't seen that addressed in articles. 

I believe I saw this being discussed yesterday and I was under the impression they could put him on the PS as one of their 10, but he would be subject to waivers beforehand. I was looking up everything I could find on this yesterday and came to one conclusion....There's nothing but vaguely written rules regarding this program.??  

[Stank_Nasty]

36 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Really has Shady Gore Singletary Gone Against Future Insurance salesman and have a hole that you can drive a truck thru and a play where it was pop warner tackling?

First off. There isn’t a single back on the roster outrunning the colts db’s like that other than wade. Get a clue man. Dude passed them like they were standing still. 

 

And 2nd. Maybe you’re right and basically every single other person on the board is wrong. That seems about right. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Really has Shady Gore Singletary Gone Against Future Insurance salesman and have a hole that you can drive a truck thru and a play where it was pop warner tackling?

Other than the snow game in OT when was the last time Shady had 2 plays over 45 yards ?

 

Singletary has gone against the scrubs too.  

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

First off. There isn’t a single back on the roster outrunning the colts db’s like that other than wade. Get a clue man. Dude passed them like they were standing still. 

 

And 2nd. Maybe you’re right and basically every single other person on the board is wrong. That seems about right. 

 

LMAO. 

 

Edited August 18, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

First off. There isn’t a single back on the roster outrunning the colts db’s like that other than wade. Get a clue man. Dude passed them like they were standing still. 

 

And 2nd. Maybe you’re right and basically every single other person on the board is wrong. That seems about right. 

 

So you are telling me Shady couldn’t have scored on that run against Insurance Salesmen?  Or even Singletary though he did it in College against the same talent over and over again?

 

Comeon. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

My point is

 

to say Wade isn’t a special talent is a cop out.  

 

 

Just now, MAJBobby said:

 

So you are telling me Shady couldn’t have scored on that run against Insurance Salesmen?  Or even Singletary though he did it in College against the same talent over and over again?

 

Comeon. 

 

Only in a blizzard 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Other than the snow game when was the last time Shady had 2 plays over 45 yards 

 

beyond the snow game in OT. 

Singletary has gone against the scrubs too.  

 

LMAO. 

 

Shady took one 75 to open the 2nd half against the jags in 16. Regardless he ain’t doing it at this point in his career and if he did he wouldn’t be pulling away like wade was. 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Other than the snow game in OT when was the last time Shady had 2 plays over 45 yards ?

 

Singletary has gone against the scrubs too.  

 

LMAO. 

 

 

When has Shady been playing against bottom 90 players?

[Stank_Nasty]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So you are telling me Shady couldn’t have scored on that run against Insurance Salesmen?  Or even Singletary though he did it in College against the same talent over and over again?

 

Comeon. 

I’m telling you I think they both would have been caught.

 

its easy to identify elite long speed. It’s the dude passing up people like they were standing still. That ain’t shady or Singletary. And it definitely isn’t gore 

Edited August 18, 2019 by Stank_Nasty

[MAJBobby]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

I’m telling you I think they both would have been caught.

 

And I don’t think so. And this argument remains until Wade actually gets time with the 1s or 2s. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

When has Shady been playing against bottom 90 players?

 

Dude.  Do you see my username?

I'm a big shady fan. 

Shady isn’t what he used to be OR at least hasn’t proven he is what he once was. 

 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I’m telling you I think they both would have been caught.

How about this...when is the last time Frank Gore made more than one tackler miss?  2003?

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

And I don’t think so. And this argument remains until Wade actually gets time with the 1s or 2s. 

The fact that you actually watched how quick wade pulled away during that run and think shady has that sort of top end..... is absurd.