thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: I'm asking myself that exact question. I want JA to be good. I want JA to make every throw as perfect as possible. I will not blindly claim he is good or that his passes are perfect. Yep, that's where most of us are...unfortunately, you've let it push you so far in the other direction that you've gone noodles on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: I'm asking myself that exact question. I want JA to be good. I want JA to make every throw as perfect as possible. I will not blindly claim he is good or that his passes are perfect. Like other Qbs are perfect. If that is your expectation then the Bills have never had nor will ever have a QB that meets your expectations, nor will any other team in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I agree that it is totally unacceptable and unreasonable to expect Zay Jones - or ANY receiver - to catch a ball knowing they might (gasp) get hit after catching it. This isn't ***** rugby, guys!!!! the kicker is it was his bobble that got him belted.... if he catches cleanly he can cover up or even make a lunge at the EZ. Edited August 9, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Yep, that's where most of us are...unfortunately, you've let it push you so far in the other direction that you've gone noodles on this one. I doubt it. I was and am a big JA guy. Go read about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: the kicker is it was his bobble that got him belted.... if you catches cleanly he can cover up or even make a lunge at the EZ. Unless Allen can place the ball between the numbers at all times, I don't think he's our guy. We can't expect receivers to use their hands to catch passes, goddammit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, CuddyDark said: I doubt it. I was and am a big JA guy. Go read about it. You're definitely not following the discussion here (I'm guessing that's because you're getting tagged on a lot of different fronts). I said that in your quest to be objective in spite of being an "Allen guy", you've gone too far right of center into criticizing a perfectly fine throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Like other Qbs are perfect. If that is your expectation then the Bills have never had nor will ever have a QB that meets your expectations, nor will any other team in the league. I never expected JA to be perfect. I believe he can win with 55% rate. I'm one of the few here who stood up for TT. Just now, thebandit27 said: You're definitely not following the discussion here (I'm guessing that's because you're getting tagged on a lot of different fronts). I said that in your quest to be objective in spite of being an "Allen guy", you've gone too far right of center into criticizing a perfectly fine throw. And I said I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: Unless Allen can place the ball between the numbers at all times, I don't think he's our guy. We can't expect receivers to use their hands to catch passes, goddammit. well then theres the one last year vs the jets at home that he planted into jones chest plate that he let doink off it...…. its really just come down to just having to throw it hard enough to wedge into zays facemask 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bills Blog Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 You forgot Roberts as a lock WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You're definitely not following the discussion here (I'm guessing that's because you're getting tagged on a lot of different fronts). I said that in your quest to be objective in spite of being an "Allen guy", you've gone too far right of center into criticizing a perfectly fine throw. It's just him. It's always that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: well then theres the one last year vs the jets at home that he planted into jones chest plate that he let doink off it...…. its really just come down to just having to throw it hard enough to wedge into zays facemask LOL. On a serious note, now - it seems to me that Bills receivers, as a whole, had problems last year catching balls with their hands. I don't think I'm imagining that. I was hoping that would be addressed with showing Robiskie the door. As others have stated in this thread, there was not a damn thing wrong with that pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: And I said I doubt it. And then followed that statement with a total non-sequitur because...why? 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: It's just him. It's always that way. That hasn't been my experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: I never expected JA to be perfect. I believe he can win with 55% rate. I'm one of the few here who stood up for TT. And I said I doubt it. "I want JA to make every throw as perfect as possible" Your words, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Can well agree on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being a perfect CuddyDark throw, the pass grades out at a 9.6502041. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: And then followed that statement with a total non-sequitur because...why? That hasn't been my experience I've seen it plenty. This isn't the first thread he's been in where he's had a hard time keeping up with the conversation with me or others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Yes, because there's a cadre of people who INSIST he had a bad night based on completion percentage. Neglecting, of course, the fact that he hit Zay Jones in the hands with a beauty that would have had him finishing at 63% It is utterly ridiculous. Who cares if Josh Allen threw every pass in the turf or if every pass was INT'ed. MEANS NOTHING. Preseason is just to get used to throwing against other D's and to kink out the rust. If he stinks the joint out against the Jets, then go nuts. Otherwise, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Can well agree on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being a perfect CuddyDark throw, the pass grades out at a 9.6502041. That's too many significant digits for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Isaiah McKenzie - One of the most intruging roster battles is the one between McKenzie and Ray Ray McCloud for a job as the backup slot receiver, backup returner and primary gadget play guy. McCloud was out there plenty but only hauled in one catch from four targets whereas McKenzie was the Bills leading receiver on the night reeling in both his targets for 62 yards. Both players also had an audition as punt returners. McKenzie showed nice pop on one run in particular, McCloud had one return for -2 yards. If pre-season performances is a factor in this decision then McKenzie may have nosed ahead. I still maintain your 6th receiver is the winner of this contest. Book it. Christian Wade - MY GUY! Okay so he almost didn't handle the hand off and the Colts defense parted like the red sea. But Wade demonstrated the agility, acceleration and top end speed that made him an international level rugby player. He still has a long road to make it as an NFL player, obviously, but that was such a cool moment and the Bills sideline reaction says a lot about who Wade is as a guy and the togetherness McDermott is able to foster. I was bouncing around my apartment with excitement. The neighbours already know the NFL is back! Appreciate the summary OP - I've always been more up on McKenzie than McCloud, but I'm not entirely surprised by the discrepancy in "game" performance - that seems like more of an extension from last year. While clearly not in the discussion for top 3 WR on the roster, he's always had better game performances, runs great routes, and has greater utility that really forces opposing defenses to take the extra time to scheme against it. As for Wade, never sleep on a rugby player that transitions to RB. He literally has nothing to lose and all of the physical ability necessary. His style will look very unorthodox, and will have to get used to pads and hand offs versus the lateral pass, but there isn't that much he'd be unable to do in a support role. Even though he doesn't count toward the roster this year, I wouldn't be surprised, nor hate, if he carved out a roster spot for himself in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaise321 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 hours ago, mead107 said: I only saw the last 4 minutes. Had a power outage. Like reading all the comments If your free to watch, Mead, the NFLN replay of the game is on at 2:00pm today (friday 8/9) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said: Can well agree on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being a perfect CuddyDark throw, the pass grades out at a 9.6502041. On a 10 point scale....I really would put it at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Agree with all of it except singletary by the time he made it into the game the bills were already doing the mix and match with the offensive line.....he looked great in the passing game. The thing is....im ok with taking our time with him.....Devin is going to get his carries by attrition in a 16 game season.....love having him in the bullpen while we ride out the future HOF'rs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cd1 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: wishful thinking? there you go again. ignorant post. THIS is exactly what the IGNOR feature is for! - works like a charm... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: It's not the coach. That's on the player. The Bills dropped the ball a ton last year and outside of Foster they all struggled to get separation. Beasley and Brown should help but even Brown has his struggles with drops. I was really hoping they'd make a big trade for a legit starting reciever. They didnt. Hopefully someone emerges. one may and hopefully they all contribute in helping the team get wins through the 2019 season. then, a draft I'm personally looking forward to as I believe Beane will continue to add more key players with the 2020 draft that will be stockpiled with wr talent. some may not see it, some may not, but I see a bright future ahead for the buffalo bills. Edited August 9, 2019 by DaBillsFanSince1973 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Is it Kaare Vedvik time?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 From NFL.com Quote While many a starting quarterback was on the sidelines Thursday, Josh Allen took to the field for the Bills' first two series. While Allen is seeking improvement from a rookie year in which he completed 52.8 percent of his passes, his preseason-opening showing was very much a microcosm of what he's previously showed. Allen horribly misfired on some passes, but looked great on others (finding new addition Cole Beasley twice on intermediate throws on the first drive). He also showed his running ability with a first-drive scramble that no doubt terrified the Buffalo faithful. Across two drives, Allen drove the Bills down for a missed field goal, completed six of 11 passes for 66 yards and showed he's still very much a work in progress and an adventure on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 hours ago, AllenLongBall said: But it was not in stride... If it was in stride it would have been picked. Your a new addition to my ignore list. Obvious troll. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, CuddyDark said: Didn't hit him in stride. He had to turn his body sideways and reach for the ball. If it was in stride it would have hit him in the right shoulder and he would have walked in to the endzone. Zay screwed the pooch on that play. He took his eye off the ball before he secured it. Not a pinpoint accuracy pass but damn good enough for an NFL WR IMO Edited August 9, 2019 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Zay screwed the pooch on that play. He took his eye off the ball before he secured it. Not a pinpoint accuracy pass but damn good enough for an NFL WR IMO It was definitely good enough to catch. However, a play like that really does showcase why Allen is a 50% passer right now. Both QB and WR are to blame on that missed opportunity. Edited August 9, 2019 by FiftyPercent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, FiftyPercent said: It was definitely good enough to catch. However, a play like that really does showcase why Allen is a 50% passer right now. Both QB and WR are to blame on that missed opportunity. On that particular pass I don't think you can say anything about Allen on that one. I also view Allen as a 58% comp QB this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, FiftyPercent said: It was definitely good enough to catch. However, a play like that really does showcase why Allen is a 50% passer right now. Both QB and WR are to blame on that missed opportunity. hence the screen name, eh. you ought to be a fun short run around this joint. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 30 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: "I want JA to make every throw as perfect as possible" Your words, not mine. Your context, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said: It was definitely good enough to catch. However, a play like that really does showcase why Allen is a 50% passer right now. Both QB and WR are to blame on that missed opportunity. Just stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: Sideways but yet his front leg is still in front.... Ball placed in the direct center of his body. Same pass Baker completed to Higgins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 Just now, ddaryl said: On that particular pass I don't think you can say anything about Allen on that one. I also view Allen as a 58% comp QB this season It should have been caught, bottom line. 58% would be an improvement at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said: It was definitely good enough to catch. However, a play like that really does showcase why Allen is a 50% passer right now. Both QB and WR are to blame on that missed opportunity. That's how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, FiftyPercent said: It should have been caught, bottom line. 58% would be an improvement at least. Enjoy your time here while it lasts. Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Your context, not mine. So by saying you want him to be perfect you mean you don't want him to be perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyPercent Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: So by saying you want him to be perfect you mean you don't want him to be perfect No QB is perfect, not even Tom. We just need Allen to be about 65% perfect, not 50% perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, FiftyPercent said: No QB is perfect, not even Tom. We just need Allen to be about 65% perfect, not 50% perfect. Exactly! No one wants fifty percent around here. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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