CNY315 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Training camp can be deceptive, we all know. Guys who are training camp heroes get to opening day and become zeroes (you know who I'm talkin' about here). But it's nice to be hearing pretty much the same thing from both news media and fans who are there, and all to the point that Allen looks markedly improved and has some real football players who can run real routes to throw to. yeah, BUT! Allen, Brown & Beasley are working against the #2 ranked Pass Defense which by all accounts has improved significantly this year. Currently, the 3 are chewing up great players! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: yeah, BUT! Allen, Brown & Beasley are working against the #2 ranked Pass Defense which by all accounts has improved significantly this year. Currently, the 3 are chewing up great players! Wonderfully true, but it's still different when there's a game plan and the intensity ratchets up for a real game. Still beats the heck out of hitting the Hospitality tent or the inexperienced WR not being able to separate against backup DBs 'cuz Vontae being "brought along slowly" 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Foster will get his snaps spelling Brown and Zay and be in on 4 WR sets. He is young and needs to gain some knowledge before being considered a full time WR. We all got to remember he only caught 35 balls in 'bama in 4 years! He is very raw and the coaches are wise bringing him around slowly. IMO Exactly correct. The fact that Foster went from being cut and signed to the practice squad, to the starting WR lineup by the end of last season, is to his credit. But it also speaks to just how low we were in WR quality and depth, because when you compare him to starting WR around the league - he "shows promise" 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 22 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I guess the Foster hype train will need to pump the breaks. Like I said earlier, he was a monster today. He should be starting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, DJB said: Coach Bobby Johnson is my new favorite coach and might be this teams biggest upgrade of the offseason I had this same thought. Will see in the real games but it seems like he could be a big time difference maker. He was the assistant OL coach in Indy last year, which went from one of the worst OLs to one of the best very quickly 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, CNY315 said: Wow, Williams getting time with the 1's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Foster will get his snaps spelling Brown and Zay and be in on 4 WR sets. He is young and needs to gain some knowledge before being considered a full time WR. We all got to remember he only caught 35 balls in 'bama in 4 years! He is very raw and the coaches are wise bringing him around slowly. IMO I’m looking forward to Foster and Brown split wide with Beasley and Zay in the slots in four receiver sets. I also love the idea of Knox as a fifth in that scenario. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Like I said earlier, he was a monster today. He should be starting. Reportedly, so was Brown and so was Zay, so who is he gonna bump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 I know there is a lot of excitement around Cody Ford, but based on some of his highlight reel work I hope they never ask him to pull. Looked like a Star Wars AT-ST trying to run behind center and line up someone to block. Not his thing - has a great range and long arms pass blocking, and is a nasty bull when plowing straight forward in run blocking. You get an idea of the drop in coaching talent between college and pros when you see coaches completely misuse players like Ford and Oliver. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffaloboyinATL Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 57 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: There's a place for some of the in-joke TBD traditions, but not over and over and over and over again. So that joke needs to be ground up and... never mind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffaloboyinATL Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 31 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Music to my ears. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Wow, Williams getting time with the 1's? ...sorry bud, but I have to paraphrase a McBeane quote I read about Duke (a senior moment thing)......McBeane said, "the signing of Duke Williams changed the need to draft a top WR prospect early on".....thus there must be high hopes for Duke to negate a high draft pick WR.....BUT....keep in mind that some of our top TBD prognosticators (RARELY wrong) labeled Duke as "nothing more than camp fodder".....choose your side........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Reportedly, so was Brown and so was Zay, so who is he gonna bump? I didn’t then no Zay was as impressive, so him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Exactly correct. The fact that Foster went from being cut and signed to the practice squad, to the starting WR lineup by the end of last season, is to his credit. But it also speaks to just how low we were in WR quality and depth, because when you compare him to starting WR around the league - he "shows promise" Exactly Hap. The hype train really went off during the offseason but a couple of good players with much more experience were brought in. Having these vets along with WR coach Chad Hall (who is impressing me with his training style for being so young) number 1 job is to help Josh Allen become a better QB as quick as possible. I got a good amount of faith that Foster will get there in time. 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: I’m looking forward to Foster and Brown split wide with Beasley and Zay in the slots in four receiver sets. I also love the idea of Knox as a fifth in that scenario. I imagine Daboll likes that too. Looking forward to what he can draw up now that he has something to work with. I'm trying to temper my excitement for the new season, but it's getting hard to not be a little giddy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2018_roster.htm But.... it’s 2019.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CookieG Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Foster will get his snaps spelling Brown and Zay and be in on 4 WR sets. He is young and needs to gain some knowledge before being considered a full time WR. We all got to remember he only caught 35 balls in 'bama in 4 years! He is very raw and the coaches are wise bringing him around slowly. IMO /shrugs... He also had 4 90+ yard games out of his last 7 in the NFL, as a rookie. His deep ability, coupled with Brown's, isn't something you want to keep off the field very long. They draw away safeties, opening up underneath stuff and down the seams. If a DB bites even slightly on PA, one of those 2 are ready to pounce. He was easily the most pleasant surprise on O last year and brings a skill that can't be taught. Use him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, CountryCletus said: But.... it’s 2019.... Context my darlin', Context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: For me it has always been about the QB. I have wanted one that doesn’t limit the playbook and one that you don’t need to hide or design an offense to protect him (conservative). So far this offseason not seeing that. Meaning I think we have decades long Solution at that position (still early to really claim that but trending that way) It is McD so there will still be a heavy does of Running and I get that but hopefully the play split is closer to 50/50 Seems like our offense is getting to where good offenses are. Allowing the pass to open up the run. So if Josh can execute it week in and week out I could easily see Bills in playoffs and that Championship window opening. One due due out though will be McD in his in game management but I also see them starting to “practice” that as well with going headsets at Practice and such. I don't get the assumption that McDermott is a run heavy coach. That said, being able to run is not a problem. They are building an offense defenses can't just take away one thing from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 35 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Foster will get his snaps spelling Brown and Zay and be in on 4 WR sets. He is young and needs to gain some knowledge before being considered a full time WR. We all got to remember he only caught 35 balls in 'bama in 4 years! He is very raw and the coaches are wise bringing him around slowly. IMO There is a lot of camp and preseason left, he’s still into the mix to start IMO. I think people are over looking the importance to get Josh off to a strong start in camp. Hence why I think there has been minimal rotation on both the OL and WRs so Josh can form timing and rhythm. I have no doubt McD is going to give others looks at starting on both the OL and WR. Doesn’t mean the groups out there mostly won’t end up starting, just saying there is nothing more important that getting Josh comfortable to start camp, so this is expected IMO to see minimal rotation in first days of camp. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 A lot will likely also revolve around how good of a blocker Foster shows himself to be versus Zay. The base set will likely be 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 RB. On running downs we may see more Zay and on obvious passing downs (in the three WR) perhaps more Foster. Four and five wide they will likely both be in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said: DAMMIT!!! Any word on if Knox came back after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I imagine Daboll likes that too. Looking forward to what he can draw up now that he has something to work with. I'm trying to temper my excitement for the new season, but it's getting hard to not be a little giddy. I hear that and my expectations are definitely tempered, but I’ve like the trajectory Daboll was on since the second half of last year. The fact he has some new toys at his disposal is something to be excited about. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Any word on if Knox came back after that? Time for that hard-nosed kid out of Boston to step up - not a bad thing this time of year and when a hammy starts to go, you have to give it time to heal or it will be a lingering issue. Just ask Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Any word on if Knox came back after that? I’ve been searching twitter. Nothing yet.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, WideNine said: Time for that hard-nosed kid out of Boston to step up - not a bad thing this time of year and when a hammy starts to go, you have to give it time to heal or it will be a lingering issue. Just ask Shady. Sounds like that would be a bad thing this time of year. Knox needs to be out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: I don't get the assumption that McDermott is a run heavy coach. That said, being able to run is not a problem. They are building an offense defenses can't just take away one thing from. Agreed! The “run heavy” coach stuff is a farce and so is the “hes Conservative” stuff. People labeled him when he was saddled with weak options in the passing game, but as soon as Allen started coming in he showed what he really wants to do. And Daboll calls the offense too, and he’s not conservative. His resume is full of scrub QBs that were beyond limited. All one has to do is watch the games the last 6 weeks of the season and they would know all the “he only wants to run” and “he is too conservative” is nothing but a fairy tale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MakeBuffaloGreatAgain Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, CNY315 said: And this is when he should shine... before pads come on. I was against this signing because I have never been impressed with him, even in college. The guy falls down from a gentle breeze. After we signed him, I was hoping I was wrong and he could dazzle us playing a Receiving RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 46 minutes ago, K-9 said: There also hasn’t been anything negative for the doomsdayers to seize upon, either. They’ll be back as soon as a negative report gets posted. Like flies to a turd pile. Listening to Jerry Sullivan show from Friday, whining about how well camp is going, no controversies, no selfishness, whaaa. Jerry's gotta Jerry. I guess when your whole game is harping on the negative, this team is a famine right now. 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: Listening to Jerry Sullivan show from Friday, whining about how well camp is going, no controversies, no selfishness, whaaa. Jerry's gotta Jerry. I guess when your whole game is harping on the negative, this team is a famine right now. I think him complaining about not being able to complain is about as good as it's going to get. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Listening to Jerry Sullivan show from Friday, whining about how well camp is going, no controversies, no selfishness, whaaa. Jerry's gotta Jerry. I guess when your whole game is harping on the negative, this team is a famine right now. There was a scuffle today. They now have something to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Sounds like that would be a bad thing this time of year. Knox needs to be out there. Not if it is just a mild strain - then it is some ice and mild rehab to recover. That, and Knox has been getting all the work with Kroft out, so if you work in the kid from Boston you start to build your depth in the off season. TE's get dinged - a lot. They have the size and speed that puts a lot of strain on the joints, they get tangled up blocking, and when receiving defensive players (smart ones) always take them low. The Bills need to work building the depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, CookieG said: /shrugs... He also had 4 90+ yard games out of his last 7 in the NFL, as a rookie. His deep ability, coupled with Brown's, isn't something you want to keep off the field very long. They draw away safeties, opening up underneath stuff and down the seams. If a DB bites even slightly on PA, one of those 2 are ready to pounce. He was easily the most pleasant surprise on O last year and brings a skill that can't be taught. Use him. I didn't say not to. Just saying that IMO people thinking that Foster is the full time #2 WR may be disappointed. I see a good rotation between the top 4 WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 (edited) So lame....NFL Network is covering training camps where the players aren’t even in pads yet, while not even showing Bills camp...just watched a Vikings WALK THROUGH with just jerseys/ not even helmets. Edited July 27, 2019 by JaCrispy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, WideNine said: Not if it is just a mild strain - then it is some ice and mild rehab to recover. That, and Knox has been getting all the work with Kroft out, so if you work in the kid from Boston you start to build your depth in the off season. TE's get dinged - a lot. They have the size and speed that puts a lot of strain on the joints, they get tangled up blocking, and when receiving defensive players (smart ones) always take them low. The Bills need to work building the depth. No, they need to work building a quality starter. TE is one of their weakest positions. They don't have an established starter, so Knox needs to be out there as much as possible. I would agree with you if we had Gronk or Kelce or some other established vet who we know will produce regardless of practice time. But we don't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: So lame....NFL Network is covering training camps where the players aren’t even in pads yet, while not even showing Bills camp. So next year when the Bills are a hot item and ESPN wants to spend much more time at Bills camp wil you join me in telling them to get the ***** OUT we don't like your kind around here. personally I love being ignored by ESPN for that reason. When the Bill's are relevant in their eyes I don't want their coverage I want Bills fans in their faces telling them how much they suck, have sucked and will continue to suck, at least for next 17 years or so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 1 hour ago, CNY315 said: See this is what ways happens when you hold out on your contract! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: No, they need to work building a quality starter. TE is one of their weakest positions. They don't have an established starter, so Knox needs to be out there as much as possible. I would agree with you if we had Gronk or Kelce or some other established vet who we know will produce regardless of practice time. But we don't. As an advocate of the Bills investing more into the TE position for years, I get what you are saying. Just taking the glass half-full position of being able to get more starting reps for that Boston kid who I don't think is all that bad of a player. That, and Daboll likes to feature a lot of 2-TE sets so this can build into having two young TE's becoming long term starters for us down the road. Will hit the pause on the panic button till we learn more about why Knox came up gimpy and how long they feel he has to rest it - may only be a week or so kind of deal so we will see what OBD comes out with in their next presser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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