Boca BIlls Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 So basically the guy from the Patriots will be GM for the Texans next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Apparently they “settled” with the pats so they don’t get Caserio, but they won’t lose a draft pick. Sounds like Kraft called Cal McNair and worked it all out so that they could keep their guy. Caserio has some kind of clause in his contract so that he can’t leave the Pats. It’s like Hotel California. I'm a little surprised at the no move clause for Caserio. The standard approach is that after gaining permission to talk to one's staffer if a promotion is offered the staffer is allowed to leave. I suspect that there were problems relating to the initial conduct without getting permission. There is something smelly about how the approach was made by Houston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Bills were way ahead of their time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capco Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s like Hotel California. More like the Roach Motel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 It won’t make a difference. That team is not going to make the playoffs. Awful ownership getting abused by mediocre HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Bill O'Brien is a pale imitation of the guys he's trying to emulate. Can you imagine being a fan of that team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 On 6/16/2019 at 10:56 AM, JohnC said: I'm a little surprised at the no move clause for Caserio. The standard approach is that after gaining permission to talk to one's staffer if a promotion is offered the staffer is allowed to leave. I suspect that there were problems relating to the initial conduct without getting permission. There is something smelly about how the approach was made by Houston. From what I read, Patriots didn't want to lose him and want to keep him. They spotted one of the executives from the Texans talking to him at their ring ceremony (Texans executive was there to get a ring for his time with the Pats I believe) and the next day the GM was fired. Pats decide they can keep him around in this case by threatening tampering charges and the Texans back off and won't hire a GM for this season. It sounds like he was definitely their guy, the other reported interviews were sham token interviews and there's a way they can get who they want next offseason so instead of just hiring someone to keep the seat warm, they will just leave the position open til next offseason when they may also need a new coach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Eh. I don’t think this really affects them at all. If they get an oline in front of Watson, they will be really tough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 The real story in the Patriots-Texans clash: Nick Caserio wants out Caserio’s deal reportedly runs through the 2020 NFL Draft. To use football terms, the Patriots are making Caserio play out his contract before reaching free agency. The Patriots’ win keeps Bill Belichick’s right-hand man in Foxborough for another season, but also exposes some tension inside the walls of Gillette Stadium that we thought had simmered since last year. Belichick and Tom Brady seem to have smoothed things over. But there has been a surprising exodus of coaches and scouts over the last two years (especially this year), which raises questions about the working environment in Foxborough. Five coaches left this offseason (not all for promotions). Jack Easterby left. Longtime scout Dujuan Daniels left. Greg Schiano left after a month. And now we see that Caserio wants out, too. If Caserio wanted to stay in New England, he would have just turned down the Texans’ overtures. Instead, the Patriots had to lawyer up to enforce Caserio’s contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 The Texans are right now paying 2 GMs, they dont want to pay a third and THEN next year hire Caserio from the Pats and then potentially be paying four GMs at the same time. Caserio had a clause in his contract expiring next year that effectively rendered the Texans ability fo hire him as naught. And the new Owner cal McNair has not accomplished much of anything in his life without Daddy supporting him, he has an excellent shot at being a terrible owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Just now, RoyBatty is alive said: The Texans are right now paying 2 GMs, they dont want to pay a third and THEN next year hire Caserio from the Pats and then potentially be paying four GMs at the same time. Caserio had a clause in his contract expiring next year that effectively rendered the Texans ability fo hire him as naught. And the new Owner cal McNair has not accomplished much of anything in his life without Daddy supporting him, he has an excellent shot at being a terrible owner. Some articles have concluded that the clause is unenforceable and has been ruled such previously. The wild card here is that the Pats used the tampering as the way to get the Texans to back off. If he was their guy they needed to grow a pair or continued to be beat by the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 6 hours ago, mushypeaches said: Bill O'Brien is a pale imitation of the guys he's trying to emulate. Can you imagine being a fan of that team? In his first 5 years as HC, O'Brien has a 42-38 win/loss record, made the playoffs 3 times by winning the division, and had 4 winning seasons. The Texans went 4-12 in 2017 because Watson was injured 7 games into his rookie season. O'Brien's three QBs before acquiring Watson were Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, and Brock Osweiler. O'Brien may not be as good as he thinks he is, but he's a decent HC. Moreover, the Texans didn't fire their GM in order to promote O'Brien but because they thought they had "their guy" already lined up. I have no idea who in the Texans' organization is responsible for the roster, but it may be that the ownership was dissatisfied with the GM's inability to improve the OL, which had been a problem in 2017 and wasn't any better in 2018 as Watson also suffered a serious injury last season which hampered his play in several games, including the win over the Bills. Mocking Texans' fans isn't probably the best course for Bills fans. The Texans have had 7 winning seasons, 5 playoff appearances, and 1 playoff win since they joined the league as an expansion franchise in 2002. The Bills have had 3 winning seasons and 1 playoff appearance during that same time period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 My point is not to compare results between the two teams, but to note that Bill O'Brien seems to be quite a tool, and not a particularly sharp one either. Similar to Doug Marrone, Gregg Williams, etc. Guys that think they are always right, are completely unlikable, and in love with the smell of their own rosy brand of flatulence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 17, 2019 Author Share Posted June 17, 2019 This is stupid. They should let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 the Bills started this trend as they didn't have a QB for 15 years (rimshot ?) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 2 hours ago, SoTier said: In his first 5 years as HC, O'Brien has a 42-38 win/loss record, made the playoffs 3 times by winning the division, and had 4 winning seasons. The Texans went 4-12 in 2017 because Watson was injured 7 games into his rookie season. O'Brien's three QBs before acquiring Watson were Ryan Fitzpatrick, Brian Hoyer, and Brock Osweiler. O'Brien may not be as good as he thinks he is, but he's a decent HC. Moreover, the Texans didn't fire their GM in order to promote O'Brien but because they thought they had "their guy" already lined up. I have no idea who in the Texans' organization is responsible for the roster, but it may be that the ownership was dissatisfied with the GM's inability to improve the OL, which had been a problem in 2017 and wasn't any better in 2018 as Watson also suffered a serious injury last season which hampered his play in several games, including the win over the Bills. Mocking Texans' fans isn't probably the best course for Bills fans. The Texans have had 7 winning seasons, 5 playoff appearances, and 1 playoff win since they joined the league as an expansion franchise in 2002. The Bills have had 3 winning seasons and 1 playoff appearance during that same time period. Yeah, people who try to act like O’Brien isn’t a good coach are clueless. He rebuilt PSU after that scandal and made Hackenberg look good (lot of love for him on this board during his draft). I do get the look he has and brings Marrone vibes. But if their o line holds up (it was worse than the Bills last year), no one will give a crap about their GM. GMs are kinda overrated. It’s not like it’s hard to find hidden talent anymore. I bet some posters could do a decent job if they were given the opportunity. JMO though haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 14 hours ago, mushypeaches said: My point is not to compare results between the two teams, but to note that Bill O'Brien seems to be quite a tool, and not a particularly sharp one either. Similar to Doug Marrone, Gregg Williams, etc. Guys that think they are always right, are completely unlikable, and in love with the smell of their own rosy brand of flatulence This is so different from so many NFL HCs, good and bad, past and present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 so many threads ... I'll pick this one Report: Nick Caserio wants out of New England https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-nick-caserio-wants-england-191108925.html According to Ben Volin of the Boston Globe, the top non-Bill Belichick personnel man there wants out of New England, creating an awkward dynamic for the team. Caserio has a year left on his contract, and last week’s events make it clear the Patriots intend for him to honor it. The Texans not hiring a G.M. for the time being also creates a pretty clear impression that they’re holding the seat open until Caserio can fill it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 17 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: Some articles have concluded that the clause is unenforceable and has been ruled such previously. The wild card here is that the Pats used the tampering as the way to get the Texans to back off. If he was their guy they needed to grow a pair or continued to be beat by the Pats. Probably correct, not sure why the fired Gaine until they secured a new GM anyway.Cal McNair has is shaping up to be one of the NFLs worst GMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Hey O'Brien. I knew Belichick. Belichick was a good friend of mine. O'Brien, you're no Belichick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 52 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Hey O'Brien. I knew Belichick. Belichick was a good friend of mine. O'Brien, you're no Belichick. Fun fact. Bill O’Brien record after 5 years: 42-38, 3 playoff appearances belichick after 5 seasons: 36-44, 1 playoff appearance just saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Fun fact. Bill O’Brien record after 5 years: 42-38, 3 playoff appearances belichick after 5 seasons: 36-44, 1 playoff appearance just saying Does that include his time with the Browns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, oldmanfan said: Does that include his time with the Browns? His first 4- 5 years were with the Browns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: His first 4- 5 years were with the Browns Right. I want to confirm he was referring to those and not his first 5 with the Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I understand that more and more teams around the league are centering their front office around their head coach and his vision for the team. Belichick is obviously the first you think of, but Kansas City is set up that way with Andy Reid. Even Buffalo, having McDermott hired first, then getting rid of Whaley and basically hiring McDermott’s handpicked guy in Beane, McDermott is definitely the head of the organization imo. Beane has a role, but he’s there because of McDermott. The problem with Houston is that O’Brien can’t seem to find anyone to really mesh with as a front office executive. The only problem I see is that coaches during the season have enough on their plate. Going through weekly game plans, delegating to assistant coaches, actually coaching. Putting GM type duties on top of that is just an unnecessary burden on the individual. We might not see it on the field because Houston has a pretty talented overall roster, but I don’t think that this is good for the long term outlook of the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Right. I want to confirm he was referring to those and not his first 5 with the Pats. He also went 5-11 his first year with the Pats. I think he was 0-2 before before Mo Lewis killed Bledsoe. I dont think BOB will win 6 SBs. I’m just saying Belichick would have been thought of as a worse coach than BOB after 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Surprised a trade is not in works unless Pats think he will stay post BB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 That’s gotta suck to be fired and not be replaced. Message: ”this empty chair is better than you” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Maybe he is being GM under the table as some foil hat posters say Beane was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 O'Beien seems to be a decent HC. But it also seems like he can't work with a GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Maybe he is being GM under the table as some foil hat posters say Beane was. That’s why if I’m the Pats I just let him go now. I mean otherwise how do you know he has the Pats best interests in mind for the next 7 months? They have a whole season ahead of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 We in a way had that no GM model from 2001-2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 23 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said: We in a way had that no GM model from 2001-2017. Yes imaginary way. Enjoy watching your Buffalo Unicorns play leap frog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kirby Jackson Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 They are just going to wait out Caserio aren’t they? At any rate, my sister’s best friend is married to his brother. His brother was telling me last time that I was there that this is it for Nick in New England. He’s leaving after this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: They are just going to wait out Caserio aren’t they? At any rate, my sister’s best friend is married to his brother. His brother was telling me last time that I was there that this is it for Nick in New England. He’s leaving after this year. Anything that might hurt the Patriots is a reason to celebrate, at least a little. Kirby is the Kevin Bacon of football! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 They didn’t even reject my application 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: Anything that might hurt the Patriots is a reason to celebrate, at least a little. Kirby is the Kevin Bacon of football! Ha ha, it’s a total Kevin Bacon thing. I have never met Nick but Mikey is a nice dude. He’s really good to all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Looks like Deshaun Watson will lead the team in rushing again this year 2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: They didn’t even reject my application They're waiting for you to lower your price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, stuvian said: They're waiting for you to lower your price I’ll hire him too, if he’s willing to pay ME! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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