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Houston Texans decide not to have a GM for 2019 season

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The Redskins have only had one general manager, for a short time, under Dan Snyder.  Look where that's gotten them.

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7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well if they don’t make the playoffs after going 11-5 last year, he will finally only have himself to blame 

True , it seemed to me like they were a very weak 11-5 . They were 3-4 versus teams with a winning record. 8-1 versus teams with losing records . Shoot we probably beat them in Houston  if Allen didn't get injured, even though it was a blessing in disguise! 

I see a 6-8 win team. Their OL is brutal. Defense not what it once was. 

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7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

So now not only is Bill O’Brien the HC, and the OC (he decided not to hire one last year), he’s the GM too. 

Every coach has his process, or some word like that.

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That team is getting horrible.......... Tampering might lose a draft pick, GM got fired over who knows what if any of it is true, and this. I see them going downhill.

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2 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

That team is getting horrible.......... Tampering might lose a draft pick, GM got fired over who knows what if any of it is true, and this. I see them going downhill.

Apparently they “settled” with the pats so they don’t get Caserio, but they won’t lose a draft pick. Sounds like Kraft called Cal McNair and worked it all out so that they could keep their guy. Caserio has some kind of clause in his contract so that he can’t leave the Pats. It’s like Hotel California. 

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7 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Whos running your college and pro scouting all fall? 

 

Who is is managing your salary cap? 

 

Or or are you saving all that for after the super bowl?

 

 

Looking at their organizational chart, that would be Matt Bazirgan, the Director of Player Personnel. I would think he'd be the defacto GM, with O'Brien supervising.

 

As for the cap, they probably have guys who will help if Bazirgan needs it. Their cap's in decent shape this year, with around $20 mill left and $62 mill next year according to Spotrac. All they have to do from now till February is not screw things up too much. My guess is they can manage that. 

 

I'd guess the tough part would be synchronizing Caserio when he come in January or February - assuming they get him - with the scouting staff who have been doing the work. Tough, but not impossible.

 

I'm not a Texans fan and I don't like O'Brien, so I won't mind if this causes big problems, but I don't think it will. I don't think it's a great move, but it might not be so very awful either.

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7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Sounds like Kraft called Cal McNair and worked it all out...

Kraft:  “So, Cal, where does a businessman go in Houston to ‘relieve the pressure’?”

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As a fan of a team who tried for years not to have a GM, only thing I can say to Texan fans is good luck! 

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I don't think formal team organizational structure is nearly as important as is the talent/philosophy of the person(people) actually running the team whatever the title he holds along with how the ownership influences the team.

 

Which is worse?  Not having a GM or having a GM who's a glorified talent scout?  The Bills have not had a GM with actual GM power (ie, choosing his HCs as well as controlling the roster among other duties) since Tom Donahoe was fired in 2006, although they've had guys with the title (Nix and Whaley).   The results haven't been very good.   I'm not sure how much actual control of the team that Beane has.   He didn't hire McDermott since he was hired after McDermott was on board, but I don't think anyone really knows how much control to hire HCs or to build/shape the roster he has now or will have in the future.   Beane was able to bring in his own scouting staff (and likely other staff we don't hear/know about), which is something that neither Nix nor Whaley ever did (which might mean that they didn't have power or didn't do so simply because they came out of the Bills organization).

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, SoTier said:

I don't think formal team organizational structure is nearly as important as is the talent/philosophy of the person(people) actually running the team whatever the title he holds along with how the ownership influences the team.

 

Which is worse?  Not having a GM or having a GM who's a glorified talent scout?  The Bills have not had a GM with actual GM power (ie, choosing his HCs as well as controlling the roster among other duties) since Tom Donahoe was fired in 2006, although they've had guys with the title (Nix and Whaley).   The results haven't been very good.   I'm not sure how much actual control of the team that Beane has.   He didn't hire McDermott since he was hired after McDermott was on board, but I don't think anyone really knows how much control to hire HCs or to build/shape the roster he has now or will have in the future.   Beane was able to bring in his own scouting staff (and likely other staff we don't hear/know about), which is something that neither Nix nor Whaley ever did (which might mean that they didn't have power or didn't do so simply because they came out of the Bills organization).

 

 

 

 

They collaborate but officially, Beane has final say over the 53

 

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19 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Well if they don’t make the playoffs after going 11-5 last year, he will finally only have himself to blame 

If they miss the playoffs this year, O'Brien will be gone.  This team has a lot of talent and the owner will probably be very unhappy.  With this approach, the owner can hire a GM and a new head coach at the same time.  This is surely a decision made by the owner.  As long as the scouting and personnel departments are intact and functional, the team can be okay for a while.

 

This isn't a move that you would see from a team that expects to be successful this season.  To me, it looks like the prelude to tearing things apart for a major rebuild.  If that's how it works out, we can scratch an AFC playoff contender for the next couple of years.  I'm more than okay with that.

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19 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

If we kept marrone I imagine it would’ve gone this way. He might’ve suited up at RG too.

 

He wouldn't have been any worse than Erik Pears.

It is all on Billy O now in Houston. Which is the way he has always wanted it. Now he has to show that way can work. 

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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He wouldn't have been any worse than Erik Pears.

6’6 career OT playing G... “5 best on the OL!”

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So basically the guy from the Patriots will be GM for the Texans next year.

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11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Apparently they “settled” with the pats so they don’t get Caserio, but they won’t lose a draft pick. Sounds like Kraft called Cal McNair and worked it all out so that they could keep their guy. Caserio has some kind of clause in his contract so that he can’t leave the Pats. It’s like Hotel California. 

I'm a little surprised at the no move clause for Caserio. The standard approach is that after gaining permission to talk to one's staffer if a promotion is offered the staffer is allowed to leave. 

 

I suspect that there were problems relating to the initial conduct without getting permission. There is something smelly about how the approach was made by Houston. 

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Bills were way ahead of their time

 

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12 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s like Hotel California. 

 

More like the Roach Motel.

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It won’t make a difference.  That team is not going to make the playoffs.  

 

Awful ownership getting abused by mediocre HC.

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Bill O'Brien is a pale imitation of the guys he's trying to emulate.  Can you imagine being a fan of that team?

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On 6/16/2019 at 10:56 AM, JohnC said:

I'm a little surprised at the no move clause for Caserio. The standard approach is that after gaining permission to talk to one's staffer if a promotion is offered the staffer is allowed to leave. 

 

I suspect that there were problems relating to the initial conduct without getting permission. There is something smelly about how the approach was made by Houston. 

From what I read, Patriots didn't want to lose him and want to keep him. They spotted one of the executives from the Texans talking to him at their ring ceremony (Texans executive was there to get a ring for his time with the Pats I believe) and the next day the GM was fired. Pats decide they can keep him around in this case by threatening tampering charges and the Texans back off and won't hire a GM for this season. 

 

It sounds like he was definitely their guy, the other reported interviews were sham token interviews and there's a way they can get who they want next offseason so instead of just hiring someone to keep the seat warm, they will just leave the position open til next offseason when they may also need a new coach.

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Eh.  I don’t think this really affects them at all.  If they get an oline in front of Watson, they will be really tough. 

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The real story in the Patriots-Texans clash: Nick Caserio wants out

 

Caserio’s deal reportedly runs through the 2020 NFL Draft. To use football terms, the Patriots are making Caserio play out his contract before reaching free agency.

The Patriots’ win keeps Bill Belichick’s right-hand man in Foxborough for another season, but also exposes some tension inside the walls of Gillette Stadium that we thought had simmered since last year.

Belichick and Tom Brady seem to have smoothed things over. But there has been a surprising exodus of coaches and scouts over the last two years (especially this year), which raises questions about the working environment in Foxborough.

Five coaches left this offseason (not all for promotions). Jack Easterby left. Longtime scout Dujuan Daniels left. Greg Schiano left after a month.

And now we see that Caserio wants out, too. If Caserio wanted to stay in New England, he would have just turned down the Texans’ overtures. Instead, the Patriots had to lawyer up to enforce Caserio’s contract.

 

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The Texans are right now paying 2 GMs, they dont want to pay a third and THEN next year hire Caserio from the Pats and then potentially be paying four GMs at the same time.  Caserio had a clause in his contract expiring next year that effectively rendered the Texans ability fo hire him as naught.

 

And the new Owner cal McNair has not accomplished much of anything in his life without Daddy supporting him, he has an excellent shot at being a terrible owner.

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