IgotBILLStopay Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 One team ahead of us in the draft - another behind us. https://deadspin.com/adam-gase-and-the-jets-have-had-a-crazy-ass-week-1834849656 Quote 5. Also, just before the draft, per Breer: “The coaches ranked Quinnen Williams above Houston DT Ed Oliver, but gushed over Oliver in meetings. This was seen, again, as coaches covering themselves on both ends of a decision, this time openly lusting for one player while toeing the line on the league-wide consensus that the other was better.” https://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/23/falcons-free-agency-gerald-mccoy-interest/ Quote It’s no secret that Atlanta was pining after Ed Oliver in the draft. While the board did not fall their way, adding another strong interior lineman next to Grady Jarrett is still one of the best moves the team could make to improve defensively. I dont believe it. Not for a Minute. You are under the Gun .... But .. you also have this https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_nfl_draft_prospects_most_likely_to_bust/s1_13132_28896110 Quote Oliver might be the biggest boom-or-bust candidate in this entire class. His athleticism has warranted some scouts to compare him to Aaron Donald, but Oliver is even more undersized than Donald was, as his playing weight was reportedly under 285 pounds. Because of that lack of size, some have called for Oliver to switch to linebacker. In the right scheme — where he can play nose tackle in a three-technique — Oliver could become an All-Pro. Teams may also discover this fall that he is a major project who has to switch positions if he can’t handle NFL-sized offensive linemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan17 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Its funny, that we still use measurables to translate success. Yes, you want the athletics to mesh with off the chart measurables... however, we have seen the league transition and have seen all types of players flourish. I mean, Aaron Donald was undersized for his position when drafted, until he wasnt because of his dominant play. End of the day, quality players will shine regardless. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 12 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/the_nfl_draft_prospects_most_likely_to_bust/s1_13132_28896110 That third one is my worry. NFL guards are just going to decimate the guy. He's REALLY light. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) Aaron Donald shows as 6 foot 1 inch 285 pounds How is Oliver "even more undersized" then Aaron? Oliver's Combine numbers show him as 6 foot 1 287 pounds Edited May 24, 2019 by John from Riverside 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Here’s a tidbit about Ed Oliver. ”He’s very good” said Jay_Fixit. 5 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I didn't see this "highlight" video on OBD until a few days ago. The last play has me worried....if he can't beat a triple team, he's a bust... 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 It would be great to just have a player play the position we drafted him for. Seems there’s always talk about moving them around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 linebacker? ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said: Its funny, that we still use measurables to translate success. Yes, you want the athletics to mesh with off the chart measurables... however, we have seen the league transition and have seen all types of players flourish. I mean, Aaron Donald was undersized for his position when drafted, until he wasnt because of his dominant play. End of the day, quality players will shine regardless. And switching him to LB because there are so many 285 lb linebackers out there. I think he will be fine in the schemes that the Bills use. There will be times that bigger o-linemen will get into his chest and he will lose some of those matchups, but pretty confident he will have more wins than losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Oliver will be just fine. *Calling it now, Ed Oliver gets the 1st QB sack of the season* ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) Absurd. Edited May 24, 2019 by Royale with Cheese 14 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Remember when we were widely criticized for moving the "undersized" Kyle Williams to nose tackle for a while? He only became a top 3 rated NT for the snaps he was there because of his ABILITY and motor. 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Absurd. Pfft, I bet he only blows through triple teams, like, half the time. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Absurd. Damn, he's getting held and triple teamed and still manages to get good pressure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 20 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: That third one is my worry. NFL guards are just going to decimate the guy. He's REALLY light. ya OKAY...… whatever you say, Chief. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 What are 'titbits'? Was there a 'nip slip' that the media failed to report? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: yeah, OKAY...… whatever you say, Chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 24 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: That third one is my worry. NFL guards are just going to decimate the guy. He's REALLY light. That's what they said about Aaron Donald; how did that work out? Height used to be important for QBs too, but thats out the window now. The game changes; try to keep up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Absurd. Edited May 24, 2019 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Let's keep this going! There are so many! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Aaron Donald shows as 6 foot 1 inch 285 pounds How is Oliver "even more undersized" then Aaron? Oliver's Combine numbers show him as 6 foot 1 287 pounds They say that, because Aaron Donald has proven himself in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 44 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said: In the right scheme — where he can play nose tackle in a three-technique — Oliver could become an All-Pro. Teams may also discover this fall that he is a major project who has to switch positions if he can’t handle NFL-sized offensive linemen. A 3 technique isn’t a NT. No NT regularly lines up on the outside shoulder of the OG. Typically a NT would line up at 0 or even 1 tech. A 3 tech is a DT. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Let's keep this going! There are so many! Okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 most likely to bust...Ed Oliver, defensive tackle, Houston...yeah okay dave holcomb, I'll really take your word for it...yardbarker, LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Okay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: This is fun... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: That third one is my worry. NFL guards are just going to decimate the guy. He's REALLY light. IF they get a hand on him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: IF they get a hand on him AAC =/= NFL. Know what I mean? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thebandit27 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Perhaps the center shouldn't have worked up to the 2nd level so soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: AAC =/= NFL. Know what I mean? I know I don't. Some of the best DT's in the league were not from the big schools. Some were from a big school but drafted in later rounds. The point is good football players can come from a lot of different places. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said: That third one is my worry. NFL guards are just going to decimate the guy. He's REALLY light. kyle williams played around 300. you're saying 10-15 pounds is gonna make that big of a difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, aristocrat said: kyle williams played around 300. you're saying 10-15 pounds is gonna make that big of a difference? I worry about it yes. Hey, it could all prove to be unfounded worry, but it is something that I'm concerned about wrt Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 He just lives in the backfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Aaron Donald shows as 6 foot 1 inch 285 pounds How is Oliver "even more undersized" then Aaron? Oliver's Combine numbers show him as 6 foot 1 287 pounds Oliver bulked up for the combine. It is thought that he played last season in the mid 270s. When he had his pro day, he had already lost several pounds from his combine weight. I'm not anti-Oliver, but it's doubtful he's going to play at 285 or better. Edited May 24, 2019 by TigerJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: What are 'titbits'? Was there a 'nip slip' that the media failed to report? Oh man... hopefully the video evidence isn’t suppressed like it was in the Kraft case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: I worry about it yes. Hey, it could all prove to be unfounded worry, but it is something that I'm concerned about wrt Oliver. I think it's a legitimate question to ask. I also think that, as a 21-year old, he should have no problem adding a good 10-12 lbs over the next 18 months. As a rookie, he may suffer a bit if he's asked to play 60 snaps/game wtihout the additional bulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Oliver bulked up for the combine. It is thought that he played last season in the mid 270s. When he had his pro day, he had already lost several pounds from his combine weight. I'm not anti-Oliver, but it's doubtful he's going to play at 285 or better. I think he'll play under 285 if the team wants him to. In todays sports, whatever weight desired is easily acheived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Just now, White Linen said: I think he'll play under 285 if the team wants him to. In todays sports, whatever weight desired is easily acheived. Not necessarily so. The main reason Jake Fisher attempted a position switch is that he had a difficult time maintaining the weight necessary to play tackle. Some players struggle to stay at a lower weight because they like to eat (like me). A few players struggle to keep their weight up to a desired level just because they are high energy guys with a high metabolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, TigerJ said: Oliver bulked up for the combine. It is thought that he played last season in the mid 270s. When he had his pro day, he had already lost several pounds from his combine weight. I'm not anti-Oliver, but it's doubtful he's going to play at 285 or better. dont you think donald bulked up as well? most guys do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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