John Warrow’s High Praise For Beane & McDermott Regime

[oldmanfan]

If the criteria being used to judge include either : 1.  Never making a mistake on a player move; i. e.  every draft pick or FA has to work out; or 2.  every decision made has to align with the desires of a specific fan or small group of fans, then no management team will ever be considered successful nor has ever been successful.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

If the criteria being used to judge include either : 1.  Never making a mistake on a player move; i. e.  every draft pick or FA has to work out; or 2.  every decision made has to align with the desires of a specific fan or small group of fans, then no management team will ever be considered successful nor has ever been successful.

 

...sounds like 32 GM firings and 32 HC firings annually will work.....SMH..........

[JohnC]

30 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

 

ok. here's how i really can't take you seriously.

it's this suggestion that the "bills offense has gone from excellent to gawd-awful under McDermott."

 

you say this with a straight face?

 

the bills, only by virtue of LeSean McCoy, Eric Wood and Richie Incognito -- and a one-dimensional, running quarterback -- ranked 11th and 16th overall in net yards offense under Rex Ryan. but it had very little to do with passing. the bills ranked 27th and 30th behind the tyrod, and that's with a far more talented receiving core than what the team's had under McDermott.

 

oh, we can even go back to the magnificent Orton era, when the Bills finished 18th in yards passing and 26th in total yards.

what is this offensive juggernaut that you speak of that preceded McDermott. where were these receivers which during everyone's fantasy draft clamored they wanted to pick in the first round? pray tell, how often bills fans -- not you, of course -- celebrated 100 yard receiving games, 1,200 yard receiving seasons, and Tyrod firmly entrenched in teh 4,000-yard, 35-TD a season club.

 

you bring up Mike Tolbert and Chris Ivory, i'll counter with the unstoppable three-headed monster of Fred Jackson and Anthony Dixon and CJ Spiller in 2014 that inspired fear in every D-line they encountered. that was the year Hogan, who once played lacrosse, essentially clinched his spot on the wall of fame with 41 catches for 426 yards and a whopping total of four tds,

or how about we refer to the 2016 season, when Charles Clay led the team with 57 catches. and let's not forget Walt Powell. well, ok, let's.

 

however you want to put it, it's evidently clear how these Bills have certainly regressed.

 

oh, where have you gone Leonard Hankerson?

 

jw

 

 

 

 

 

The front office dedicated the offseason to improving the offense. The OL and to a lesser extent the receiving corps was strengthened, at least on paper. It's apparent that in the free agent market the theme of the organization was to put the young qb in a position to not only succeed but also to survive. There is no doubt that the wrestling coach's inclination is more toward the defense than the offense. And it is obvious that in taking the reigns this defensive coach's first priority was the defense. That shouldn't be surprising. But there is no debate that this offseason he and the GM were determined to thicken a very hollow offensive unit.

 

Our offense has been primitive for quite a while because of the decrepit caliber of our qbing. In an era of the modern NFL offenses that centered around the passing game our passing offense was rudimentary at best. For too long the Jauron mentality of football that didn't center around the qb influenced this franchise. 

 

Looking back and rating our offense of the recent past isn't an important issue, at least as I see it. The real issue is whether this regime did enough to upgrade the offense to give this team a better chance to compete. If the intended OL upgrades don't adequately materialize then this staff will have failed. 

[Gugny]

32 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

My point all along was it could get A LOT worse than Tyrod Taylor at QB.

 

Yes, there's a far way to go down from 30th in the NFL.  And garbage time got the passing offense all the way up there.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 5, 2019 by Gugny

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, john wawrow said:

 

ok. here's how i really can't take you seriously.

it's this suggestion that the "bills offense has gone from excellent to gawd-awful under McDermott."

 

you say this with a straight face?

 

the bills, only by virtue of LeSean McCoy, Eric Wood and Richie Incognito -- and a one-dimensional, running quarterback -- ranked 11th and 16th overall in net yards offense under Rex Ryan. but it had very little to do with passing. the bills ranked 27th and 30th behind the tyrod, and that's with a far more talented receiving core than what the team's had under McDermott.

 

oh, we can even go back to the magnificent Orton era, when the Bills finished 18th in yards passing and 26th in total yards.

what is this offensive juggernaut that you speak of that preceded McDermott. where were these receivers which during everyone's fantasy draft clamored they wanted to pick in the first round? pray tell, how often bills fans -- not you, of course -- celebrated 100 yard receiving games, 1,200 yard receiving seasons, and Tyrod firmly entrenched in teh 4,000-yard, 35-TD a season club.

 

you bring up Mike Tolbert and Chris Ivory, i'll counter with the unstoppable three-headed monster of Fred Jackson and Anthony Dixon and CJ Spiller in 2014 that inspired fear in every D-line they encountered. that was the year Hogan, who once played lacrosse, essentially clinched his spot on the wall of fame with 41 catches for 426 yards and a whopping total of four tds,

or how about we refer to the 2016 season, when Charles Clay led the team with 57 catches. and let's not forget Walt Powell. well, ok, let's.

 

however you want to put it, it's evidently clear how these Bills have certainly regressed.

 

oh, where have you gone Leonard Hankerson?

 

jw

 

 

 

Like I said.........the 2016 Bills were 7th in the NFL in scoring with the fewest turnovers ever thru 15 games........and lead the NFL in rushing AND "big plays"(for the second straight season).

 

By any measure that is excellent performance.

 

All accomplished with Watkins injured and mostly unavailable until his Nov 27 return and Woods constantly in and out of the lineup with an assortment of injuries.    We got a lot of Robert Tate and even a desperation mid-week Percy Harvin signing and immediate insertion into the lineup in Seattle.   The WR corps was a sh*t show.

 

Big plays are runs over 10 yards and pass plays over 25..........in 2015 the Bills had A LOT more big pass plays because the receivers were healthier.......remember the deep tosses to Watkins in the Chiefs game and a few to Hogan, Harvin etc...........but either way they ended up with an almost identical amount in both years and were the only team over with 100 both times.

 

Here is a nugget of football knowledge I've learned.........it might even be axiom worthy............you can't throw a TD pass if you've already run the ball into the end zone.

 

There is this alternating possession thing, you know.

 

As for your take on the Marrone offense...........there was much consternation about Marrone plowing CJ Spiller up the middle over and over in 2013............but CJ did average 4.6 ypa that season.........the running game ranked very highly for attempts and total yardage.     They were not good but they were almost competent.

 

Last season was impressively bad offense for the first two months........by any Billsy standard ever.   The lone bright spot was Josh Allen running for 90-100 yards for a number of games........which is of course unsustainable over the course of a season.

 

And the last two years under McDermott LeSean McCoy has run for well below the league average per attempt(which is 4.2) and Ivory and Tolbert have provided 3.7 and 3.2 respectively so yeah the production and efficiency of the Bills run game has fallen off a cliff from the days of McCoy and Gillislee running for 5.4 and 5.7 respectively and piling up TD's.

 

Now as far as Leonard Hankerson goes................like I told folks when the Bills got him.............his arms are too long..........so his hands are too far from his brain.

 

Not unlike a lot of posters on this site.

[HappyDays]

31 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think to this point it's more than ok to be critical of these guys.

 

Eh I really don't think so yet. This year, absolutely. They went for a full rebuild. It's crazy that we've won as many games as we have. But it's year 3 and the team is full of their guys. If they don't show improvement fans have a right to be upset.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

I mean sure, if you want to look at it in a vacuum and not take into account other factors, such as the teams ability to run the ball so well(Tyrods ability to do this and improvise)... you think that contributed to the low passing yardage? 

 

 

Yeah there is this "I don't follow the NFL but Tyrod must have been the worst" narrative among some of our dimmer bulbs here on TSW.

 

In 29 games over 2015-2016 Tyrod accounted for 47 TD's.

 

The quintessential "game manager" Alex Smith produced 42 TD's.....in 31 games played....on a team that won 11 games both years.

 

Tyrod was plenty good enough in that offense to win a lot of games with a good defense..........they just didn't have one.

[Dr. Who]

27 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I mean sure, if you want to look at it in a vacuum and not take into account other factors, such as the teams ability to run the ball so well(Tyrods ability to do this and improvise)... you think that contributed to the low passing yardage? 

Big plays and Tyrod running was not a sustainable formula long-term. I always felt lucky rather than confident with that offense. I would not classify it as excellent, no matter what the numbers. The first half of last season the offense looked historically bad, but I feel better about the potential to turn that around because of the rebuilt o-line and Josh Allen. WR corps is probably only adequate now, but that's a step up too.

Edited June 6, 2019 by Dr. Who

[3rdand12]

51 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Eh I really don't think so yet. This year, absolutely. They went for a full rebuild. It's crazy that we've won as many games as we have. But it's year 3 and the team is full of their guys. If they don't show improvement fans have a right to be upset.

I really have no idea the etiquette here for when to start punching the current regime in the nuts for why Fans are not quite pleased.
Is their an actual protocol lol : )

Fans can always be upset and fans can always be hopeful i might guess.

they improved in some areas during the offseason.
Nice draft
and very nice FA work. I like who they kept as well.

 as long as i sense progress from these youngsters ?

 i will remain open minded.

[3rdand12]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, I never felt confident in the offense with Tyrod as qb. Big plays and Tyrod running was not a sustainable formula long-term. I always felt lucky rather than confident with that offense. I would not classify it as excellent, no matter what the numbers. The first half of last season the offense looked historically bad, but I feel better about the potential to turn that around because of the rebuilt o-line and Josh Allen. WR corps is probably only adequate now, but that's a step up too.

Tyrod could not step up to the next level as a QB. His vision was not what is needed. and Coaches have to design the game around him.
Bills Today is a new era. figuratively and literally

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Well, I never felt confident in the offense with Tyrod as qb. Big plays and Tyrod running was not a sustainable formula long-term. I always felt lucky rather than confident with that offense. I would not classify it as excellent, no matter what the numbers. The first half of last season the offense looked historically bad, but I feel better about the potential to turn that around because of the rebuilt o-line and Josh Allen. WR corps is probably only adequate now, but that's a step up too.

 

 

 

The chances are that in order for the 2019 Bills offense to be successful it will be all about running the ball and big plays.

 

If you are expecting Josh Allen to be a 65% passer I don't think that's a reasonable expectation.   He's a $1,000 Uber ride from that zip code.

 

I'm looking forward to Josh Allen being a guy who can rally his team from behind to victory................the most common complaint with Tyrod,  who "needed defenses to respect the run" for him to play at his best..........but it's not like Allen was about late game heroics last year.

 

Chance to bring the Bills back in the final drive on the road against the Dolphins...........throws a surprisingly short pass to Clay.........excuses were made but that was shocking.........and it was a loss.

 

Chance to bring the Bills to victory on the final drive against his rival Sam Darnold at home.........fail.

 

I'm by no means ascribing a lack of clutch gene to Allen the way fans did with Tyrod........but perhaps we should see it once before we feel assured about it?

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

The chances are that in order for the 2019 Bills offense to be successful it will be all about running the ball and big plays.

 

If you are expecting Josh Allen to be a 65% passer I don't think that's a reasonable expectation.   He's a $1,000 Uber ride from that zip code.

 

I'm looking forward to Josh Allen being a guy who can rally his team from behind to victory................the most common complaint with Tyrod,  who "needed defenses to respect the run" for him to play at his best..........but it's not like Allen was about late game heroics last year.

 

Chance to bring the Bills back in the final drive on the road against the Dolphins...........throws a surprisingly short pass to Clay.........excuses were made but that was shocking.........and it was a loss.

 

Chance to bring the Bills to victory on the final drive against his rival Sam Darnold at home.........fail.

 

I'm by no means ascribing a lack of clutch gene to Allen the way fans did with Tyrod........but perhaps we should see it once before we feel assured about it?

I'm not expecting 65%. I don't see why he can't approach 60% or learn to take the short throw and YAC judiciously, even with a proclivity to go long. Play action and a solid running game is the best way to nurture Allen's game. I surmise that is the plan. I think the comeback wins will come but that is all projection. Allen's arm talent and personality give him the potential to be a franchise qb. Tyrod was by nature too cautious and I think he maximized his talent as a top 20 qb on a good day, good backup most often.

[eball]

38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

The chances are that in order for the 2019 Bills offense to be successful it will be all about running the ball and big plays.

 

If you are expecting Josh Allen to be a 65% passer I don't think that's a reasonable expectation.   He's a $1,000 Uber ride from that zip code.

 

I'm looking forward to Josh Allen being a guy who can rally his team from behind to victory................the most common complaint with Tyrod,  who "needed defenses to respect the run" for him to play at his best..........but it's not like Allen was about late game heroics last year.

 

Chance to bring the Bills back in the final drive on the road against the Dolphins...........throws a surprisingly short pass to Clay.........excuses were made but that was shocking.........and it was a loss.

 

Chance to bring the Bills to victory on the final drive against his rival Sam Darnold at home.........fail.

 

I'm by no means ascribing a lack of clutch gene to Allen the way fans did with Tyrod........but perhaps we should see it once before we feel assured about it?

 

I’m now convinced, more than ever, that your sole purpose on this site is to see what sort of rise you can get out of people. 

 

You won’t find this fish biting again. I’m glad you’ve got some big fans in ScottLaw and Bill from NYC. 

[BADOLBILZ]

22 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I'm not expecting 65%. I don't see why he can't approach 60% or learn to take the short throw and YAC judiciously, even with a proclivity to go long. Play action and a solid running game is the best way to nurture Allen's game. I surmise that is the plan. I think the comeback wins will come but that is all projection. Allen's arm talent and personality give him the potential to be a franchise qb. Tyrod was by nature too cautious and I think he maximized his talent as a top 20 qb on a good day, good backup most often.

 

"Taking the short throw" is one of those things that sounds great on paper but if that's not your game you shouldn't sweat it.    

 

Tyrod averaged a ridiculous 8.0 yards per pass attempt in 2015 and all that was talked about was how he only threw deep balls and out routes but wouldn't take the short throws over the middle........the next two years he did just that.........proving critics wrong and losing the fanbase at the same time.

 

Lesson is.........play to your strengths.

 

It should have always been running game and play action(RPO or conventional) with Tyrod and I think that also fits Josh Allen best as well.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, eball said:

 

I’m now convinced, more than ever, that your sole purpose on this site is to see what sort of rise you can get out of people. 

 

You won’t find this fish biting again. I’m glad you’ve got some big fans in ScottLaw and Bill from NYC. 

 

 

 

I love me some Josh Allen........and I know it hurts you......but the truth is that he hasn't pee'd a drop of that franchise QB golden lager yet.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

My point all along was it could get A LOT worse than Tyrod Taylor at QB... I thought he'd fare better in Cleveland but as BADOLL said his deep ball and accuracy fell off. 

 

Still a much better option than Nate the great Or Anderson. I had no issues with the trade nor did I say Tyrod was a franchise QB.... I do recall many suggesting the team would win just as many as they did with Tyrod with the combo of Nate and Josh last season. Hell, many suggested Nate was better than Tyrod before last season.?

 

I never said you said he was a franchise QB.  You just went after everyone who had negative comments about him.  Made every excuse in the book.

 

Tyrod regressed every season.  The 2018 roster had less talent than the 2017 roster.  Are saying it’s not possible Tyrod wouldn’t have been on the same level production as the combo last year?  Tyrod was benched in Cleveland because 2 of his 4 starts he averaged less than 5 yards per pass and less than 40% completion percentage....with much more talent.

 

I think we have the same record with Taylor as we did with our combo last year because Allen progressed and won us some games with less talent.  That’s the important part, he got valuable on field experience.  I guess maybe Taylor wins one more game at best?  Guess we don’t get Ed Oliver then.

[Coach Tuesday]

Feels like the end of training camp around here - we need to start hitting other teams...

[LSHMEAB]

The problem with this debate, as far as I can tell, is that's it's turned into a question of whether or not Tyrod Taylor is a franchise QB. The answer is of course no. But that's not really the question. We're specifically talking about the two seasons under Rex when the overall offensive numbers were the best the Bills have had in a LONG time. Not saying much, but they also stacked up pretty well in a number of areas league wide. That OFFENSE(as a whole) was good enough to win 10+ games had Rex not destroyed the defense. With Tyrod and his overly cautious approach, they were limited and very unlikely to beat the top teams. None of that has anything to do with the fact that the offense was pretty good. Tyrod, through his own flaws becoming more prevalent along with a diminished supporting cast, regressed every season as a Bill.

 

The hope is that Allen develops his passing game well beyond that or we'll fall short yet again even if the defense and run game get going. Allen appears to have the arm strength, courage, and focus to become the type of passer that can actually win games against the elites. That being said, we have yet to see it come to fruition so it's a little early for some to be all in. We also, maybe more importantly, haven't seen Beane put together an entire offense unit with enough components to thrive. He's made a number of mistakes, but he's cut bait, and had the resources to finally get some of his guys. The book on Beane is simply incomplete. I'm encouraged by much of what's been done, but show me the results and I'll sing a different tune.

[Shaw66]

49 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

"Taking the short throw" is one of those things that sounds great on paper but if that's not your game you shouldn't sweat it.    

 

Tyrod averaged a ridiculous 8.0 yards per pass attempt in 2015 and all that was talked about was how he only threw deep balls and out routes but wouldn't take the short throws over the middle........the next two years he did just that.........proving critics wrong and losing the fanbase at the same time.

 

Lesson is.........play to your strengths.

 

It should have always been running game and play action(RPO or conventional) with Tyrod and I think that also fits Josh Allen best as well.

You're truly wrong here.  It isn't "not his game."  It isn't a game he can't play.  It's just a game he hasn't played.  Allen is now being coached, maybe for the first time, to take the short throw.  His completion percentage will go up nicely this season because he will take the short throw. 

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You're truly wrong here.  It isn't "not his game."  It isn't a game he can't play.  It's just a game he hasn't played.  Allen is now being coached, maybe for the first time, to take the short throw.  His completion percentage will go up nicely this season because he will take the short throw. 

 

 

Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before.

Edited June 6, 2019 by BADOLBILZ

[Augie]

8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before.

 

This is, and has been from the beginning, my biggest concern with Josh. What you would think would be the easiest throws are not natural to him. I’m praying he breaks through that perceived barrier. 

[Shaw66]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before.

That doesn't mean anything.  

 

You're trying to suggest that Allen is bad at the short game.  That's not true. He hasn't played the short game.  That doesn't mean he can't. 

 

What Allen did last season was CHOOSE not to throw the short ball.  This season he will choose to take those throws. 

[Dr. Who]

20 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

This is, and has been from the beginning, my biggest concern with Josh. What you would think would be the easiest throws are not natural to him. I’m praying he breaks through that perceived barrier. 

I agree with the concern. People often think if you're good at something difficult, you should find easy things simple and if you're not good at them, it just means you don't care enough to do what you could easily achieve if you just put your mind to it. I don't think that's necessarily true, but I still think odds are Josh figures it out.

[Gugny]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I mean sure, if you want to look at it in a vacuum and not take into account other factors, such as the teams ability to run the ball so well(Tyrods ability to do this and improvise)... you think that contributed to the low passing yardage? 

 

No.  Because I watched the games and saw a QB who couldn't read a defense, couldn't find an open receiver more than 5 feet away unless a defender fell down and couldn't pull the trigger on a pass ... which is why every Bills fan with a brain was yelling, "THROW THE FUC*ING BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" 20 times/week.

 

He sucked.

[BADOLBILZ]

14 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

That doesn't mean anything.  

 

You're trying to suggest that Allen is bad at the short game.  That's not true. He hasn't played the short game.  That doesn't mean he can't. 

 

What Allen did last season was CHOOSE not to throw the short ball.  This season he will choose to take those throws. 

 

 

Again........read the post you initially responded to.......the lesson is "play to your strengths".

 

Tyrod Taylor succeeded at making himself something he hadn't shown he could be before......a low risk, short passer.........but in the process made himself a less valued player.

 

But even that was an exception.

 

Most young Bills QB's haven't even done that well with attempts to change the nature/style of their game.

 

Rojo, Losman, Edwards, Fitz, EJ......these guys were all tasked with significant offseason homework to change their games and none of those objectives were met.

 

I have no problem with them trying to to round out Allen's game.........but I don't want to see the QB with the biggest arm in NFL history throwing the ball behind the sticks on 3rd and 8 to prove how clever he and his OC are........swing away, Josh, swing away!    

 

[Augie]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Again........read the post you initially responded to.......the lesson is "play to your strengths".

 

Tyrod Taylor succeeded at making himself something he hadn't shown he could be before......a low risk, short passer.........but in the process made himself a less valued player.

 

But even that was an exception.

 

Most young Bills QB's haven't even done that well with attempts to change the nature/style of their game.

 

Rojo, Losman, Edwards, Fitz, EJ......these guys were all tasked with significant offseason homework to change their games and none of those objectives were met.

 

I have no problem with them trying to to round out Allen's game.........but I don't want to see the QB with the biggest arm in NFL history throwing the ball behind the sticks on 3rd and 8 to prove how clever he and his OC are........swing away, Josh, swing away!    

 

 

Just because he has the giant arm does not mean I want him going big on every play. He needs to learn to be the the well rounded QB who can make all the plays. Yes, the QB and WR need know how to get past the sticks, but we need to be productive at every level. 

 

I’ll looking forward to this season more than any I can recall in recent history. 

[Shaw66]

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Again........read the post you initially responded to.......the lesson is "play to your strengths".

 

 

That's not true.  What you said was "if that's not your game."  Your clear implication was Allen can't play the short passing game.  That's what you said. You said since he has a big arm he should throw deep balls.

 

That's not true  He didn't throw short, which is different from not being able to throw short.  

 

What everyone says in the  NFL is you take what your opponent gives you.  The opponent gave Allen the rookie the short ball and he didn't understand the game well enough to take it.  It is a learning issue, not a capability issue.   If you believe Allen can't learn to take what defense is giving, then that means you believe Allen is not the right guy.  Is that what you believe?  

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Everyone who has ever failed at something new had never done it before.

Everyone who has ever succeeded at something new had never done it before.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

That's not true.  What you said was "if that's not your game."  Your clear implication was Allen can't play the short passing game.  That's what you said. You said since he has a big arm he should throw deep balls.

 

That's not true  He didn't throw short, which is different from not being able to throw short.  

 

What everyone says in the  NFL is you take what your opponent gives you.  The opponent gave Allen the rookie the short ball and he didn't understand the game well enough to take it.  It is a learning issue, not a capability issue.   If you believe Allen can't learn to take what defense is giving, then that means you believe Allen is not the right guy.  Is that what you believe?  

 

 

 

Regarding "if that's not your game"......ponder this:

 

If Harvard grad Ryan Fitzpatrick is such a smart person why hasn't he changed his game?

 

I would posit that the reason is because he ENJOYS playing the gunslinging style he plays and doesn't think he'd enjoy playing it any other way.

 

With his life prospects beyond the NFL........ he's not going to turn into "captain checkdown" for anyone.

 

And I'm not even saying it's entirely his choice...........the heart wants what it wants and in the split second environment of the pocket that part of his highly trained brain says the reward is worth the risk.   Ball pushed downfield into traffic.....dopamine released.

 

I'd also suggest that Tyrod Taylor doesn't ENJOY checking the ball down............I think he plays the game fearfully because he is afraid of losing his job........to me that's been reflected in some of his answers to questions about playing the position.

 

So "your game" isn't necessarily the only style you CAN play but it may be the only style you SHOULD or WILL play.

 

[Nihilarian]

2 hours ago, eball said:

I’m now convinced, more than ever, that your sole purpose on this site is to see what sort of rise you can get out of people. 

 

This is it exactly, at least in this thread. 

 

Yea, 2016 Buffalo Bills offense was excellent...if you're living in the 60's...even then, the 1965 AFL Champ Buffalo Bills were 7th in passing yards, 8th in passing TDs.

 

30th in passing yards and 27th in TD passes in today's age of a passing league...stinks anyway you look at it... or any year you look at it.

 

As for KB, I was ecstatic when I read that the Bills had traded for him. Even when he was covered, he was open. I loved the kid when he was drafted and he had some good years at Carolina before injuries.  Nobody knew that his heart for football had withered and died. At least Vontae Davis had the balls to know and say he was done.

 

I go back and look at free agents like Levi Wallace, Robert Foster who were drafted as #1 picks when CBS sport did a 2018 re-draft. Then add those two to the two #1's in Josh Allen, Tremaine Edmunds. Beane did an amazing job.

 

Now think about all the people that wanted the Bills to draft Josh Rosen and even trade up with the NY Giants @ the #2 spot to draft him. They wanted the Bills to give up the 2018 farm and even some wanted to give the Giants a 1st round 2019 draft pick. Beane stood his ground and waited patiently to grab his guy at the #7 spot in beating out Arizona for him! 

 

Now fast forward to the 2019 draft and Beane got his man in Ed Oliver @#9 . Then managed to get another projected first round pick in the second round at #38. Cody Ford's tape is among the best and most fun of the 2019 offensive line class.

 

Some of you can nit-pick, or rag on this regime all you want. Yes, they have made some mistakes... and corrected them. The one thing I faulted them for was drafting a QB in the first round and putting him behind one of the worst offensive lines in the league. That was Whaley-esque. Beane corrected that this free agency and draft. I'm still not entirely happy with the LT, LG positions. although it remains to be seen if their play will improve with better players next to them.  

 

Should this team take a 2-14 nosedive into the ceramic convenience in 2019 for some inexplicable reason. I can see a change at HC and on the offensive side. I can't see these owners even thinking of replacing Beane. That won't happen though as I can see 9 wins minimum and possibly 10,11 or 12. A lot will depend on how well the Bills can stop the run! Jets, Le'Veon Bell, Giants, Saquon Barkley, Cincy, Joe Mixon, NE, Sony Michel, Tenn, Derrick Henry, Miami, Frank Gore...oh wait 

[Jauronimo]

3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Feels like the end of training camp around here - we need to start hitting other teams...

We could really use an open letter or a "so f@#$ing done with this team!" thread.   Nothing brings everyone together quite like a public meltdown and the ensuing feeding frenzy.

Edited June 6, 2019 by Jauronimo

[Delete This Account]

i’ve ..... decided 

.............. to try to ......... argue ......

badolbilz .............. styl...e

just for ..... kicks.

 

jw

[Jauronimo]

9 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

i’ve ..... decided 

.............. to try to ......... argue ......

badolbilz .............. styl...e

just for ..... kicks.

 

jw

Before you can master Badol style you must learn the 11 deadly pauses of Shatner Kwan Do.

[Aussie Joe]

27 minutes ago, john wawrow said:

i’ve ..... decided 

.............. to try to ......... argue ......

badolbilz .............. styl...e

just for ..... kicks.

 

jw

 

Needs more 

[eball]

4 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Before you can master Badol style you must learn the 11 deadly pauses of Shatner Kwan Do.

 

And you need about fifteen emojis.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

Regarding "if that's not your game"......ponder this:

 

If Harvard grad Ryan Fitzpatrick is such a smart person why hasn't he changed his game?

 

I would posit that the reason is because he ENJOYS playing the gunslinging style he plays and doesn't think he'd enjoy playing it any other way.

 

With his life prospects beyond the NFL........ he's not going to turn into "captain checkdown" for anyone.

 

And I'm not even saying it's entirely his choice...........the heart wants what it wants and in the split second environment of the pocket that part of his highly trained brain says the reward is worth the risk.   Ball pushed downfield into traffic.....dopamine released.

 

I'd also suggest that Tyrod Taylor doesn't ENJOY checking the ball down............I think he plays the game fearfully because he is afraid of losing his job........to me that's been reflected in some of his answers to questions about playing the position.

 

So "your game" isn't necessarily the only style you CAN play but it may be the only style you SHOULD or WILL play.

 

 

You are too generous to Tyrod. He just isn't very good. He had a good 2015 season here. But the further away we get from that the more of a fluke it starts to look. 

[thebandit27]

18 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Agreed - but again, if you're going to gamble, at least use your dice roll on a guy whose skill set matches the modern game.  Gambling in the Age of Offense that a 6'5'' plodding WR will suddenly rediscover his love for the game is simply... idiotic.

 

So, if they were to gamble on a WR in 2017, maybe gamble on a guy that was a former 4th overall pick, that runs a 4.4, and had previously shown flashes of dominance? 

 

If only there were a way that they could've had such a player; one for whom they had to give up no compensation; one with which their starting QB already had a rapport.

 

Too had such an option didn't exist.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

9 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

So, if they were to gamble on a WR in 2017, maybe gamble on a guy that was a former 4th overall pick, that runs a 4.4, and had previously shown flashes of dominance? 

 

If only there were a way that they could've had such a player; one for whom they had to give up no compensation; one with which their starting QB already had a rapport.

 

Too had such an option didn't exist.

 

 

 

You know I agree with you there.  Sean didn’t think he could coach Sammy.  Gave me real concerns about the “process” and Sean’s overall confidence level.  That trade was a huge mistake.

[K-9]

6 hours ago, john wawrow said:

i’ve ..... decided 

.............. to try to ......... argue ......

badolbilz .............. styl...e

just for ..... kicks.

 

jw

You forgot to include the string of condescending smiley faces. You know, to really emphasize the shallowness of the point being made. 

[thebandit27]

11 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

You know I agree with you there.  Sean didn’t think he could coach Sammy.  Gave me real concerns about the “process” and Sean’s overall confidence level.  That trade was a huge mistake.

 

There are 2 things about it that bother me:

 

1) the Bills could still have his rights today, as he'd be in year 1 of the franchise tag (or possibly even transition tagged)

 

2) he'd still be, far and away, the team's best WR today