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New O-Line; From 31st to top 5 in one off season?

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In Dawkins defense he did go from playing with Incognito and Wood to a revolving door, a rookie and two guys that aren’t starting centers. I hope Dawkins rebounds.

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9 minutes ago, chris heff said:

In Dawkins defense he did go from playing with Incognito and Wood to a revolving door, a rookie and two guys that aren’t starting centers. I hope Dawkins rebounds.

Exactly this. Incognito was a huge loss for Dawkins.

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21 minutes ago, chris heff said:

In Dawkins defense he did go from playing with Incognito and Wood to a revolving door, a rookie and two guys that aren’t starting centers. I hope Dawkins rebounds.

Good LTs shouldn’t need a crutch.  He was awful.  

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Guys, seriously, as was mentioned during a phone conversation with Bagel from this board earlier today...how fun is preseason going to be?

 

we honestly could be looking at olinemen playing into the third and fourth quarter in front of Barkley that may end up starting for this team.  Our fourth quarter preseason line might end being made up entirely of multi-year nfl starters.

 

i know it is just preseason, but may I please claim 3-1 right now?

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5 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Guys, seriously, as was mentioned during a phone conversation with Bagel from this board earlier today...how fun is preseason going to be?

 

we honestly could be looking at olinemen playing into the third and fourth quarter in front of Barkley that may end up starting for this team.

 

i know it is just preseason, but may I please claim 3-1 right now?

 

With the Oline situation we probably will play well in the second half of the first 2 games. Experienced guys blocking nobodies and our fancy new RB feasting.

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Just now, dayman said:

 

With the Oline situation we probably will play well in the second half of the first 2 games. Experienced guys blocking nobodies and our fancy new RB feasting.

 

 

DAYMAN, I NEED AUGUST HERE RIGHT NOW!

 

🤣

 

 

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2 hours ago, chris heff said:

When the Bills drafted Ford, my reaction was they must feel better about Dawkins than I thought. Ford’s upside seems to be RT. Are they really thinking a 33 year old Nsekhe is a LT? Mark Gaughan’s conclusion is exactly that. What do you guys think?

 

https://buffalonews.com/2019/04/26/cody-ford-buffalo-bills-right-tackle-nfl-draft-offensive-line-new-starters-analysis/

 

Good article but if Dawkins doesn’t win a tackle spot, I think he gets moved to guard.  Part of what they value is flexibility.  I can see Dion sitting while he has the ability and knowledge to play guard

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Dawkins was fine playing with Wood and Incognito. I expect him to bounce back now that he has Morse and Ford next to him.

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I agree with OP's original sense; though I add a slower timeline.

 

From my fan experience, it seems that offensive line players take time to gel together. If you do a change out on offensive line.. it will take sometime for the new guy to synch up and get used to each other. When you change multiple positions in one training camp (seems likely here) the problem is amplified.

 

I hope fans are patient when the starting unit may not be up to speed the first four of five games this year.

 

I expect a Top-5 offensive line in 2020. We'll see glimpses of it in late 2019.

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They've still got some major work to do though. They've got to get their starters and backup/depth sorted out and then they've got them to coalesce together. New O line coach is gonna have to earn his pay this year.

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Practicing against our DL should help speed up the learning process

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15 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Dawkins  Spain  Morse  Ford  Nsekhe

 

Those are probably the top 5.

 

Ford goes to RT 2020 season 

Exactly my thinking.

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Always exciting with new pieces to work with and a new coach.  Hopefully the new coach can quickly identify the "best 5" and get the continuity started.

 

Not the same at all, but somewhat similar to what Indy did with their o-line last year.  That certainly worked out very well for them.

 

My guess:  Dawkins    Teller       Morse       Spain      Ford

 

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15 hours ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said:

Dawkins  Spain  Morse  Ford  Nsekhe

 

Those are probably the top 5.

 

Ford goes to RT 2020 season 

I think this is pretty much how it will go !!!

im not sure if it’s a top 5 or 25 but it sure is ALOT better then what we had last year , 

and we should also feel good about the depth we now have 💪

Go Bills !!!! 

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Nsekhe Dawkins Morse Spain Ford

 

Nsekhe filled in for Trent Williams in Washington as LT and did a good job.  I don't see him as a RT; that is why we drafted Cody Ford.  I think Dawkins loses the competition at LT but wins the LG spot.  I think Dawkins needs a strong LG and C to appear to be an above average LT; without those he looks to be about average.

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I really love it alot. This is the first time I can remember the Bills truly addressing and Beefing the hell out of the O-line which is so vary important to success in the league!

 

GO BILLS!

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I do think the group will be tremendously improved. I'm already cringing thinking about the first few weeks and them meshing, though. It might be rough for awhile. But ultimately I believe we'll see a much better product by the end of the year, something we can put a stamp on as a team strength going into next season (if we resign some of those 1 year prove it players).

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Aside from Morse, most of the FAs were second tier guys, most not starters on their previous teams unless due to injury.  Dawkins has to regain some of his rookie season form to be average, and Ford is a rookie himself so he may not even be good enough to start early on.   Until this unit plays in real games, it's way to early to assume anything except that they'll be better than last season's group -- but then, that wouldn't be too hard to do.   Let's see what they can do in games that count before making predictions about their ranking vis-a-vis other NFL OLs.

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20 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   I harken way back to ‘88 when the O line was a concern that proved to be a strength.

   I get the distinct impression J Allen will have the repeated opportunity, by mid year, to just hang out behind this line, with ridiculous amounts of time, waiting for players to come open.

   Also excited to watch our run game reappear.

Run game I think has to improve with new/improved linemen and new/improved coaching (I mean Castillo, amIright?).

 

Allen having loads of time behind the line probably has a lot to do with how defenses play him this season. Will they man-up and send pressure often to speed up his decision-making? Or will they sit back in zones and make him take what's given? It will be interesting to watch unfold.

 

We can reasonably expect the line to better handle stunts and twists and zone-blitzes; they had a rough time with those last season, especially with Groy in the pivot. Morse is key here, as are more savvy interior vets like Spain, Long, et al. 

 

How Allen and the offense execute against defenses designed to beat him/them will be fascinating. 

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Hopefully the FAs are better than what we had, if not we will be in the same boat and will probably have to use high draft picks on them next year.

 

 

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1 hour ago, SoTier said:

Aside from Morse, most of the FAs were second tier guys, most not starters on their previous teams unless due to injury.  Dawkins has to regain some of his rookie season form to be average, and Ford is a rookie himself so he may not even be good enough to start early on.   Until this unit plays in real games, it's way to early to assume anything except that they'll be better than last season's group -- but then, that wouldn't be too hard to do.   Let's see what they can do in games that count before making predictions about their ranking vis-a-vis other NFL OLs.

 

Thats how i see it, we didn't exactly bring in pro bowlers. We really lost A LOT when when Glenn, Incognito and Wood moved on, not sure we have comparatively replaced them.

 

 

 

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We seem quite deep at OL and RB, it feels weird to say that. The two biggest needs imo, were to strengthen running game and pass rush. I'm happy how things are shaping up.

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Top 5  O-line unit ?

 

find that hard to believe......likely Top 15.....even that is a huge and much needed improvement.

 

I love our depth.....just not blown away by the starters except for the new center. Morse is only one who would individually be ranked in Top 15 at his position.

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