DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Fine. That means that Quinnen Williams or Josh Allen will make it to at least 5. The sweet spot for a trade up is 5 anyways. I think Quinnen Williams is the best player in this draft. seems the falcons have their eye on him as well. likely wont happen but williams would be an awesome pick for the bills. Williams is expected to go well before the Falcons pick at No. 14, and he’s been discussed as a potential top-three pick throughout much of the draft process. If the Falcons believe they are one major piece away from become title contenders, however, Williams is one of the few players who could be worth a king’s ransom. 2019 NFL Draft: Why Alabama’s Quinnen Williams could be the Falcons’ first-round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: seems the falcons have their eye on him as well. likely wont happen but williams would be an awesome pick for the bills. Williams is expected to go well before the Falcons pick at No. 14, and he’s been discussed as a potential top-three pick throughout much of the draft process. If the Falcons believe they are one major piece away from become title contenders, however, Williams is one of the few players who could be worth a king’s ransom. 2019 NFL Draft: Why Alabama’s Quinnen Williams could be the Falcons’ first-round pick If Williams falls to 5 its going to be a bidding war. I just don't see it. IMO he's the best player in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, glazeduck said: It's not meaning well, it's what I'm seeing with my own eyes. Experts are wrong constantly. Again, I get that I'm in the minority here, that's fine. Just playin' you. I respect your opinion. Though I do like me some Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: Seems a day early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, inaugural balls said: Just playin' you. I respect your opinion. Though I do like me some Oliver. ? all good here. Draft can't get here fast enough... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Please god let this be true. I don’t want anything to do with Oliver anywhere near pick #9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, mrags said: Please god let this be true. I don’t want anything to do with Oliver anywhere near pick #9 I can't believe I agree with you on something! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, glazeduck said: I can't believe I agree with you on something! I’m with you. Completely undersized. Will get gobbled up by REAL NFL linemen. He’s only been dominant in high school and college because he plays against scrubs that will be working construction jobs by the end of this summer. Edited April 19, 2019 by mrags 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) Quickly, here's my logic on not being a fan of Oliver... I've said on multiple DK Metcalf threads that I want the Bills to take a homerun swing with their first pick, but that's oversimplifying it --- I want the Bills to take a "safeish" homerun swing. DK, in my opinion, is a guy with a very high floor and practically zero ceiling. To me, that's the type of guy I'm looking for given where this franchise is. I recognize that Oliver has a high ceiling, and that he fits a need too, but a DT playing in the mid-260s, who's shown to maybe not quite be a consistent team player is a guy who has almost no floor, either. We can't afford to completely whiff on this pick. Another Aaron Maybin type pick could seriously derail the momentum we've started building. THAT'S why I don't want Oliver, he's an undo risk when there are FAAAAR safer bets at his position who could be had quite a bit cheaper. (I also think that doing everything we can to make Josh Allen's life and development easier should be our absolute first priority, but I digress...) Edited April 19, 2019 by glazeduck 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Quickly, here's my logic on not being a fan of Oliver... I've said on multiple DK Metcalf threads that I want the Bills to take a homerun swing with their first pick, but that's oversimplifying it --- I want the Bills to take a "safeish" homerun swing. DK, in my opinion, is a guy with a very high floor and practically zero ceiling. To me, that's the type of guy I'm looking for given where this franchise is. I recognize that Oliver has a high ceiling too, and that he fits a need too, but a DT playing in the mid-260s, who's shown to maybe not quite be a consistent team player is a guy who has almost no floor, either. We can't afford to completely whiff on this pick. Another Aaron Maybin type pick could seriously derail the momentum we've started building. THAT'S why I don't want Oliver, he's an undo risk when there are FAAAAR safer bets at his position who could be had quite a bit cheaper. I agree with your take on Oliver. There’s safer bets to be had for less at the position. However I feel the same way at WR. For every Tillery, Wilkins, Lawrence, Jones, Willis there is to Oliver. There’s a Harry, Butler, Brown, Hall, Harmon to Metcalf. Agree to disagree on some things I guess. If that’s why I say trade back and get one of the dominant TEs and pick up extra picks so that we can take the safer bets in rounds 2 and 3 Edited April 19, 2019 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, mrags said: I agree with your take on Oliver. There’s safer bets to be had for less at the position. However I feel the same way at WR. For every Tillery, Wilkins, Lawrence, Jones, Willis there is to Oliver. There’s a Harry, Butler, Brown, Hall, Harmon to Metcalf. Agree to disagree on some things I guess. If that’s why I say trade back and get one of the dominant TEs and pick up extra picks so that we can take the safer bets in rounds 2 and 3 To each their own, I think their position dictates a relative difference though... A WR that's that big, fast and strong will always be a tough cover and can always be used effectively so long as he's healthy (that's always the caveat, but since we can't do anything about that I tend to leave out that bit) which is what I mean by "safeish". Maybe he doesn't become Calvin Johnson II, but if his floor is Tyrell Williams II, that's something. That, to me, makes the gamble of taking him worth it, whereas I see Ed Oliver's floor as being a commentator for Houston Cougars football in a few years ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 Just now, glazeduck said: To each their own, I think their position dictates a relative difference though... A WR that's that big, fast and strong will always be a tough cover and can always be used effectively so long as he's healthy (that's always the caveat, but since we can't do anything about that I tend to leave out that bit) which is what I mean by "safeish". Maybe he doesn't become Calvin Johnson II, but if his floor is Tyrell Williams II, that's something. That, to me, makes the gamble of taking him worth it, whereas I see Ed Oliver's floor as being a commentator for Houston Cougars football in a few years ? We are 100% agreeable with Oliver and where we see him. I think he’ll be a rotational guy imo. I don’t disagree with your take on the WR position if you can get that guy. I just don’t know if I think Metcalf can be that. For one, he’s had multiple injuries that take away from him. A big fast, hard to cover guy could be any one of those guys I said. Except they all have better route running abilities. I don’t deny we need a big physical WR and I think Metcalf has that. I’d just rather sacrifice a little top end speed with a guy that’s more agile. Every one of those guys I said above has that and you won’t have to give up a mint for them. Maybe Harry and Brown in the first bit Butler, Hall and Harmon are all 2nd to 3rd rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 God is this the jets trolling us or what 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, JimKellyTryouts said: If they're sticking with a 3-4 (and still badly in need of an edge rusher), wouldn't he and Leonard Williams be redundant? Then again, if he's a future all-pro, who cares I guess Gregg is a 43 guy that likes pass rush 1 hour ago, Logic said: I just tweeted this to Sal, but... First we hear from Matt Miller that the Bills love Ed Oliver. Then we hear that the Jets "badly" want to trade down. Then we hear that the Jets are taking Oliver. I know trades with division rivals are rare, but is it crazy to think the Jets are trying to lure the Bills into trading up for Oliver? Or both teams like a lot of good players available in the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 19, 2019 Author Share Posted April 19, 2019 57 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Jets should be taking Taylor to help that o line. Totally agree. OL is a huge need for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalophil1948 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 I'm ok with the Jets taking Oliver. As long as we can get QW without selling the farm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, glazeduck said: That's quite the prediction for a grossly undersized defensive lineman... Dude's gonna get swallowed up in the NFL, just watch. I won’t predict that he will be a bust, but man I’m concerned about his lack of size. He will have to win completely with quickness as he is very underweight, has shorter than ideal arms and isn’t quite as tall as you want for the position. Watching his game tape, his quickness and effort are outstanding, but will that be enough to succeed in the NFL? I will certainly understand why they would take him and won’t hate the pick, but I don’t see him as a sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, OldTimer1960 said: I won’t predict that he will be a bust, but man I’m concerned about his lack of size. He will have to win completely with quickness as he is very underweight, has shorter than ideal arms and isn’t quite as tall as you want for the position. Watching his game tape, his quickness and effort are outstanding, but will that be enough to succeed in the NFL? I will certainly understand why they would take him and won’t hate the pick, but I don’t see him as a sure thing. Very well said. Goes back to Glazes take. Rather take one of the other DTs later in the first or 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I won’t predict that he will be a bust, but man I’m concerned about his lack of size. He will have to win completely with quickness as he is very underweight, has shorter than ideal arms and isn’t quite as tall as you want for the position. Watching his game tape, his quickness and effort are outstanding, but will that be enough to succeed in the NFL? I will certainly understand why they would take him and won’t hate the pick, but I don’t see him as a sure thing. Sounds similar to another DT we recently had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said: Sounds similar to another DT we recently had If you are referring to Kyle Williams, Williams was considerably heavier coming out of college (299 according to Wiki) than Oliver (really) will play at. Oliver was 281 at his Pro Day and likely won’t be able to maintain that weight through a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We’re not gonna make it, folks. Some one mused it on Twitter and thus it must be the truth... No Oliver people... time to move on.. Unless the Jets can trade down.. But wait a minute.. If they want Oliver so bad then why are they looking to trade down? This Twitter stuff sure is confusing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We’re not gonna make it, folks. Good!! Even Greg says that's a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Gregg is a 43 guy that likes pass rush Or both teams like a lot of good players available in the draft Yes but Gase has said that he will continue to run a 3-4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, BuffAlone said: I thought the same thing. "Hey look, if you don't trade up to our pick, we're gonna take your guy." Less than a week....C'mon already! There is a zero point zero percent chance I’d trade up if I were the Bills, especially with the Jets. There’s going to be an awesome player available at 9. Don’t panic, Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazeduck Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 1 hour ago, mrags said: We are 100% agreeable with Oliver and where we see him. I think he’ll be a rotational guy imo. I don’t disagree with your take on the WR position if you can get that guy. I just don’t know if I think Metcalf can be that. For one, he’s had multiple injuries that take away from him. A big fast, hard to cover guy could be any one of those guys I said. Except they all have better route running abilities. I don’t deny we need a big physical WR and I think Metcalf has that. I’d just rather sacrifice a little top end speed with a guy that’s more agile. Every one of those guys I said above has that and you won’t have to give up a mint for them. Maybe Harry and Brown in the first bit Butler, Hall and Harmon are all 2nd to 3rd rounders. The agility metrics weren't great, no question, but the thing that always gets misunderstood is that agility only matters in the context of using it to excel in football -- it's one of a number of aspects, along with explosion, catch radius, speed, strength, bulk, demeanor, hand fighting, flexibility, body control, hand strength, intelligence, etc. to help a WR get open. DK has all of the rest in spades, so his agility -- especially when used correctly -- shouldn't be a major issue. The injury thing is indefensible as none of us know how that checked out, so I think it goes without saying that any pro-Metcalf thought goes hand-in-hand with assuming he's healthy. Plus it's boring as hell to discuss... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 19, 2019 Share Posted April 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: Trade up to 6 and get Josh Allen??? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We’re not gonna make it, folks. Let the games begin...chess not checkers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjnick Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 3 hours ago, Logic said: I just tweeted this to Sal, but... First we hear from Matt Miller that the Bills love Ed Oliver. Then we hear that the Jets "badly" want to trade down. Then we hear that the Jets are taking Oliver. I know trades with division rivals are rare, but is it crazy to think the Jets are trying to lure the Bills into trading up for Oliver? Beane did a double head fake and hopefully the Jets fall for it... Beane: NO! Please don't take Oliver at 3! That's my guy at 9. No, please let him fall... FINE! Take him then... Beane slowly turn away... When back is to the Jets GM... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: Yes but Gase has said that he will continue to run a 3-4 People say a lot of things this time of year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 (edited) 46 minutes ago, glazeduck said: The agility metrics weren't great, no question, but the thing that always gets misunderstood is that agility only matters in the context of using it to excel in football -- it's one of a number of aspects, along with explosion, catch radius, speed, strength, bulk, demeanor, hand fighting, flexibility, body control, hand strength, intelligence, etc. to help a WR get open. DK has all of the rest in spades, so his agility -- especially when used correctly -- shouldn't be a major issue. The injury thing is indefensible as none of us know how that checked out, so I think it goes without saying that any pro-Metcalf thought goes hand-in-hand with assuming he's healthy. Plus it's boring as hell to discuss... In all fairness I’d say his flexibility is far from ideal if his agility is an issue. They go hand in hand. Also, his intelligence is also undebatable to us, just like his injury history. Dont get me wrong. The dude is a monster and might be the best WR in the draft. Although he might not. We could say it with everyone. Id prefer guys that I know have a better route tree. That are more than just speed. Guys that find ways to get open besides running away from defenders. Because Metcalf, will meet game plans for him. Double teams where he can’t outrun the defenses fastest DB and safety over the top. Im not doubting his physical dominance. But not too many had Odell Beckham Jr as the best WR in his draft class and he has risen to the top because he was the best all around WR. Not because he was the biggest or the fastest. Edited April 20, 2019 by mrags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 The Jets really really want to trade back... The Bills have reported interest in Oliver... All of a sudden the Jets aren't linked to Williams or Allen anymore.. Yeah I believe it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: People say a lot of things this time of year. Lol, a coach declaring that is different from draft smokescreens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We’re not gonna make it, folks. Nope, nope and triple nope. They are eager to trade down. They are throwing names out there to get a team hot on that player to bite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, dlonce said: Nope, nope and triple nope. They are eager to trade down. They are throwing names out there to get a team hot on that player to bite. Their GM is going to get schitcanned very soon. Here is the Jets draft: Round 1: N.Y. Jets Round 2: None Round 3: N.Y. Jets, New Orleans Round 4: N.Y. Jets Round 5: N.Y. Jets Round 6: None Round 7: N.Y. Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 28 minutes ago, JimKellyTryouts said: Lol, a coach declaring that is different from draft smokescreens though. How many coaches stick with the plan of not running their own systems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 Yeah, draft a player for a DC who’s gone in a year or two. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said: Yeah, draft a player for a DC who’s gone in a year or two. Tobe fair the GM will be gone in a year or 2 and at that point I am sure the HC as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Yeah, draft a player for a DC who’s gone in a year or two. You beat me to it. Gregg has a personality that wears thin very quickly, and Gase is no Prince Charming either. Those 2 could be run out of town on a rail, or in the case of being in the NY metro area, on a railroad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 It's pretty well known that the Jets want to move down and accumulate some picks. Anyone they pick at #3 is a fall back option in case they can't find a willing trade partner. I could see Oliver being a Greg Williams type player. Even though he's an interior defensive lineman, he's twitchy and he's aggressive, both traits that Williams would like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 4 hours ago, mrags said: In all fairness I’d say his flexibility is far from ideal if his agility is an issue. They go hand in hand. Also, his intelligence is also undebatable to us, just like his injury history. Dont get me wrong. The dude is a monster and might be the best WR in the draft. Although he might not. We could say it with everyone. Id prefer guys that I know have a better route tree. That are more than just speed. Guys that find ways to get open besides running away from defenders. Because Metcalf, will meet game plans for him. Double teams where he can’t outrun the defenses fastest DB and safety over the top. Im not doubting his physical dominance. But not too many had Odell Beckham Jr as the best WR in his draft class and he has risen to the top because he was the best all around WR. Not because he was the biggest or the fastest. This WR class reminds me of the 2008 WR class... Gotta make sure we take this years DeSean Jackson or Jordy Nelson and not Devin Thomas or James Hardy... I’m not even going to predict who the best WR in this class is going to be. It’s going to be fun watching when the run on WRs happens though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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