BuffalothruMyVeins Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 After listening to the Howard Picks the Bills segment on WGR this morning, and they (completely reasonably) refuse to pick the Bills over the Pats as long as Brady is there. So, this got me thinking. What has to happen TO OUR TEAM (so no NE plane crashes) through the draft, June 1st vet cuts/trades, etc, for the Bills to conceivably PASS the Pats this year, with TB12 still there on their team? I will I’ll take a shot at it. In my eyes, using what I’ve seen as a possibility, though not probable, in doing about a dozen mock drafts over the last week on both The Draft Network and First-Pick.com, and taking advantage of guys I could see possibly falling, here are the moves that are not out of the relm of possibilities: -Either Quinnen Williams falls to us at #9 and we ***** him up, OR we trade a 4th or 5th for Gerald McCoy. -If Quinnen doesn’t fall (I won’t even say Bosa because that’s impossible he falls that far), than we get either Josh Allen, Brian Burns, or Montez Sweat at #9 -someone between Fant, Metcalf, Hock, or Harry/Brown/Butler falls to our 2nd rounder, or we trade up and grab them in the 20's of the 1st round -we pick up OT Bobby Evans-Oklahoma and one of G-Benzschawel- Wisconsin or G- Samia- Oklahoma, or possibly even Polite in that 4th round range. -somehow, whether it’s from guys I’ve already said, or someone else later like a Sternberger, Moreau, Nauta, or Warring after the 1st 2 rounds, I think we need to get out of this draft with a productive TE prospect who can step in as the definitive #2 TE, and down the road have #1 upside -Pick up a 3rd RB who could produce as a short-term starter if McCoy and Gore are either injured or ineffective, whether that’s a guy we find in the draft, a TJ Yeldon, or a vet who gets cut off of a team at some point. ***I know this sounds like a lot to fall perfectly just to beat the Pats, but that’s not what I’m getting at. I’m trying to picture a scenario where we are favorites going into a NE game THIS year, and this is what I would need to see to think that’s possible. I’m not saying the Bills CAN’T beat NE unless they do all of these things. This is just how we become favorites.*** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 We find Belichick driving (with Brady no less) to Nantucket in June on his annual retreat and get a faster car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Nothing needs to happen outside of Josh developing further as a QB... If Josh takes that step then we beat NE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 1. Have Allen continue his development 2. Have Daboll with our new O line coach put in a scheme that fits the new guys up front, thus allowing our running game to be resurrected and thus give our young QB time to throw 3. Draft Oliver at 9, or Williams if through some miracle he is there at 9. And with this expect our young MLB to continue to progress. You want to beat Brady to need pressure up the middle; a young DT that can do that along with Edmunds blitzing should help there. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 We are not a few impactful rookies away from dethroning the Pats*. I wish it was that close. We need the offense, lead by Josh Allen playing like Mahomes did last year, to take the league by storm, while our Defense is as solid as it was a year ago (meaning someone needs to fill Kyle William's shoes). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Hope that Brady gets hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffalothruMyVeins Posted April 18, 2019 Author Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, ddaryl said: Nothing needs to happen outside of Josh developing further as a QB... If Josh takes that step then we beat NE How do we BECOME FAVORITES going into the NE games this year? This is the question of this thread. I’m not asking if we are on the right course with our franchise, or if we have a chance vs NE this year, I believe both of those are a “yes”, but I surely wouldn’t bet on the Bills straight-up. So, would you bet on the Bills vs Pats this year, straight-up? If not, than we’re to the subject of this thread. What would you add (or subtract) from ONLY OUR ROSTER before the opener, to tip this in our favor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) Allen continues to progress. Get pressure on Brady. Defend the RB position. Edited April 18, 2019 by ProcessAccepted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Win 80-100% of our games this season. That should do the trick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 gotta be able to put up more than 12 points in the first 3 quarters which we were unable to do on the monday night game. if allen can put points up we can beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) We cannot beat New England yet. We do not have the defensive personal to defeat their run and pass blocking. Edited April 18, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BuffalothruMyVeins said: How do we BECOME FAVORITES going into the NE games this year? This is the question of this thread. I’m not asking if we are on the right course with our franchise, or if we have a chance vs NE this year, I believe both of those are a “yes”, but I surely wouldn’t bet on the Bills straight-up. So, would you bet on the Bills vs Pats this year, straight-up? If not, than we’re to the subject of this thread. What would you add (or subtract) from ONLY OUR ROSTER before the opener, to tip this in our favor? Sorry, guess I didn't read it thoughroughly. I hoenstly don't care about favorites or perception. I hope we are never favorites never on Hard Knocks and never appreciated by the rest of the country/league. I like being the underdog and I love it when the rest of this nation/league gives us crap because their heads are so far up their asses they can only see their own colon anyways Edited April 18, 2019 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) + = We need this: and this: Edited April 18, 2019 by Peace Frog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Honestly, I don't think we do. They have a cake schedule this season. We do too, though, minus the Pats. No reason we can't get a wild card this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, BuffalothruMyVeins said: After listening to the Howard Picks the Bills segment on WGR this morning, and they (completely reasonably) refuse to pick the Bills over the Pats as long as Brady is there. So, this got me thinking. What has to happen TO OUR TEAM (so no NE plane crashes) through the draft, June 1st vet cuts/trades, etc, for the Bills to conceivably PASS the Pats this year, with TB12 still there on their team? I will I’ll take a shot at it. In my eyes, using what I’ve seen as a possibility, though not probable, in doing about a dozen mock drafts over the last week on both The Draft Network and First-Pick.com, and taking advantage of guys I could see possibly falling, here are the moves that are not out of the relm of possibilities: -Either Quinnen Williams falls to us at #9 and we ***** him up, OR we trade a 4th or 5th for Gerald McCoy. -If Quinnen doesn’t fall (I won’t even say Bosa because that’s impossible he falls that far), than we get either Josh Allen, Brian Burns, or Montez Sweat at #9 -someone between Fant, Metcalf, Hock, or Harry/Brown/Butler falls to our 2nd rounder, or we trade up and grab them in the 20's of the 1st round -we pick up OT Bobby Evans-Oklahoma and one of G-Benzschawel- Wisconsin or G- Samia- Oklahoma, or possibly even Polite in that 4th round range. -somehow, whether it’s from guys I’ve already said, or someone else later like a Sternberger, Moreau, Nauta, or Warring after the 1st 2 rounds, I think we need to get out of this draft with a productive TE prospect who can step in as the definitive #2 TE, and down the road have #1 upside -Pick up a 3rd RB who could produce as a short-term starter if McCoy and Gore are either injured or ineffective, whether that’s a guy we find in the draft, a TJ Yeldon, or a vet who gets cut off of a team at some point. ***I know this sounds like a lot to fall perfectly just to beat the Pats, but that’s not what I’m getting at. I’m trying to picture a scenario where we are favorites going into a NE game THIS year, and this is what I would need to see to think that’s possible. I’m not saying the Bills CAN’T beat NE unless they do all of these things. This is just how we become favorites.*** We score more points than they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 We have to defeat that New England offensive line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 And no, I think it is impossible for us to go into NE as favorites by adding a bunch of rookies. The only possible scenario is if our team somehow takes a humongous leap and is leading the AFC by the time we face the Pats for the 2nd time at the end of the season. Other than that, we won't be favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 No, not just rookies necessarily...a blend of veterans and disruptive and hungry rookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Blitz everyone on a few plays and destroy Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, wppete said: Blitz everyone on a few plays and destroy Brady. Yes! But we need the players to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. K Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, BuffalothruMyVeins said: How do we BECOME FAVORITES going into the NE games this year? This is the question of this thread. I’m not asking if we are on the right course with our franchise, or if we have a chance vs NE this year, I believe both of those are a “yes”, but I surely wouldn’t bet on the Bills straight-up. So, would you bet on the Bills vs Pats this year, straight-up? If not, than we’re to the subject of this thread. What would you add (or subtract) from ONLY OUR ROSTER before the opener, to tip this in our favor? Barring an injury to Brady or a complete collapse of the Patriots around him, the Bills cannot be a favorite going into either game against the Pats this year. There's just too much history of failure against them for anyone to expect the Bills to beat the Pats. For instance, in their first meeting in 2019, even if the Bills come into the game 3-0 and the Pats are, say, 1-2, the Bills will not be favored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Yes! But we need the players to do it. My money is on Jerry Hughes and Tremaine Edmunds to punish Brady. And you never know perhaps Jadeveon Clowney you never know ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 IMO it all comes down to Allen this year-the lineup is much stronger than last year-lots of QBs make a big jump from rookie to second year-if he does that if will be a fun season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofton80 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Better find a way to stop the run, they ran at will the last game. Even their wide receivers were jet sweeping us to death. Need Milano back, improved play from Edmunds and defensive tackles who can get off of blocks. Oliver, Q Williams or the Clemson DT become instantly more appealing after watching that All 22. Or learn to outscore them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Overall improvements with both us and the Jets should lessen the gap this year, but passing them will continue to happen in a gradual manner. If Josh is our guy, great; we can continue to use resources next offseason to make us improve even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Josh Allen posts an historic level season , Brady’s age starts to show with a major injury and missed time. That’s about it. Heck, even Mahomes’ amazing year in 2018 wasn’t enough to cover up KCs defensive deficiencies in two contests vs NE. I’m afraid the realistic answer is it doesn’t happen until Brady is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: Better find a way to stop the run, they ran at will the last game. Even their wide receivers were jet sweeping us to death. Need Milano back, improved play from Edmunds and defensive tackles who can get off of blocks. Oliver, Q Williams or the Clemson DT become instantly more appealing after watching that All 22. Or learn to outscore them. Yes...right on. However, Our current personal is not up to the task. We have no one that has proven to penetrate that offensive line on a consistent basis. We should be using New England as a standard on how we draft defensively. They neutralized Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl...washed him out. Edited April 18, 2019 by Rocket94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Yes...right on. However, Our current personal is not up to the task. We have no one that has proven to penetrate that offensive line on a consistent basis. We should be using New England as a standard on how we draft defensively. They neutralized Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl...washed him out. What did NE score in the SB. 13 points? The Rams D was fine, their QB was exposed by CHI and PHL. Use the Rams or CHI as a standard on defensive drafting, not the Pats. Goff makes 3 decent throws and the Rams are champs. Heck, a healthy Gurley may have done it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Lofton80 said: Better find a way to stop the run, they ran at will the last game. Even their wide receivers were jet sweeping us to death. Need Milano back, improved play from Edmunds and defensive tackles who can get off of blocks. Oliver, Q Williams or the Clemson DT become instantly more appealing after watching that All 22. Or learn to outscore them. Yes...right on. However, Our current personal is not up to the task. We have no one that has proved to penetrate that offensive line on a consistent basis. We should be using New England as a standard on how we draft defensively. They neutralized Aaron Donald in the Super Bowl...washed him out. I also agree with the Bears and Rams defenses. I would mirror both...I hope the Bills do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toesy Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 The other thing is-Brady is great and in fantastic condition but nobody has ever played NFL QB at a high level at 42 years old-there is no guarantee that he will be able to do it-because he has stretched out the longevity thing so far when he goes it will probably be very sudden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Win the battles at the lines of scrimmage and not get out coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Put a offense on the field that scores points Our defense did not look too bad against them last year.....and they lost players this past year to free agency....retirement....and Tom is a year older Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Just now, Fan in Chicago said: Win the battles at the lines of scrimmage and not get out coached. Yes...but the Bills current DL consistently displays an inability to do this. They are simply not talented enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Take Brady out ? 26 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Josh Allen posts an historic level season , Brady’s age starts to show with a major injury and missed time. That’s about it. Heck, even Mahomes’ amazing year in 2018 wasn’t enough to cover up KCs defensive deficiencies in two contests vs NE. I’m afraid the realistic answer is it doesn’t happen until Brady is done. KC doesn’t line up Offside they win- typical NE but they just dont make many mistakes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: Yes...but the Bills current DL consistently displays an inability to do this. They are simply not talented enough. Yes but that needs to happen if we are to consistently beat the Pats**. The question posed was - "how do we pass the Pats" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 It is just a matter of time...just not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Tear Brady's Uterus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Not a matter of "how" but " will, " as in the Bills will.defeat NE at least once with a shot at the sweep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 Options Bribe the Refs Jeff Gillooly Tom's knees Film their practices Jam their radio headsets Perform PED tests on Tom and get him suspended Pressure the pu**y every down Bump his WR's at the LOS and not 5 to 10 yards down field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted April 18, 2019 Share Posted April 18, 2019 We'll be fine. Brady's retiring after the draft. We will be dealing with their QB2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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