Franchiseneedsme Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 White is the first top player coming up for a new deal under this regime. I was thinking it might be a smart idea to sign him to a long term deal and front load it because of all the money we will have available next year. Would he sign a 8 year $90M deal with $30M in year 1? Then its basically a 7 year deal for $60M. I think it's a win win For everyone. If he holds out for Free agency he would def get more $$$ if he stays healthy, but this makes him a rich man and would be hard to turn down. And the Bill's would have a Top player at huge bargain year 2-8. Hell give him the most Guaranteed $$ a CB has ever gotten we can afford it. White wants to be great, i dont think we would have to worry he gets lazy like Daurius after he gets paid. And it's a good look to all the young players on the team. Play well and get paid. Love this team and how Beanie is running things. So many possibilities with how our cap is being managed. Yes iv been drinking 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I don't think you can sign anyone for 8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I don’t know where to start......but I’ll go with - You want an EIGHT (8) YEAR deal? For a CB? Is this baseball? Really? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Franchise definitely doesn't need you man. This is a horrible idea, even if it was possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) We would sign him 2 years b4 he comes up for FA. So the 8 year deal would be like a 5 year deal for normal Free agents. And with how I made the contract the Bill's could cut him With little penalty against the cap after 5 years Edited April 3, 2019 by Franchiseneedsme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Glad you clarified that you’re drinking. Must be a helluva night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 He'll pry want between 15 and 17 million a year if you choose to extend him now as he'll want top CB money.. Eight years is way too long of a contract so I'd go with 5 years, 75 million (45 guaranteed) or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: He'll pry want between 15 and 17 million a year if you choose to extend him now as he'll want top CB money.. Eight years is way too long of a contract so I'd go with 5 years, 75 million (45 guaranteed) or something along those lines. That's what he would easily get if he were a true FA. But the Bill's get a deal for making him Rich 2 years early. All they care about is Guaranteed money. And 50M Guaranteed would be hard to turn down if he had 2 years b4 he hit free agency. Edited April 3, 2019 by Franchiseneedsme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t know where to start......but I’ll go with - You want an EIGHT (8) YEAR deal? For a CB? Is this baseball? Really? Way too short for MLB! Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Going to get interesting in a year or two with some contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Think he will stay if they give him the key to the city, a driveway so flat he will want to do sit ups on it, and a snack? Maybe some popcorn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Franchise definitely doesn't need you man. This is a horrible idea, even if it was possible. Is it Horrible for White or the Bill's? and it definitely possible. Their are No rules on how contracts are structured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Are there rules related to the rookie contracts that would prohibit us from reopening the contract early? I’m not sure what the rules are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said: Is it Horrible for White or the Bill's? and it definitely possible. Their are No rules on how contracts are structured. For the Bills. You don't sign a guy to an 8 year contract, with tons of guaranteed money in football. It's just not how the business is structured. I want them to sign him, but your reasoning and term just make absolutely no sense. It's like saying just eff it, pay him whatever, we have cap room. The precedent it could possibly set within the organization could be disastrous. I really don't see where you'd be inclined to think this is a good idea anywhere in that you are grossly over paying year 1, to be years 2-8 to be manageable but still a lot guaranteed. Edited April 3, 2019 by Ol Dirty B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 The better move would be to pull out the Bobby Bonilla clause and defer all payment to White until 2045. That way we clear out the cap until we get a handful of super bowl rings. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Forward Progress said: Are there rules related to the rookie contracts that would prohibit us from reopening the contract early? I’m not sure what the rules are. You can tear up a rookie deal and sign a new one at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said: Is it Horrible for White or the Bill's? and it definitely possible. Their are No rules on how contracts are structured. Maybe get a good night’s sleep and check back tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said: White is the first top player coming up for a new deal under this regime. I was thinking it might be a smart idea to sign him to a long term deal and front load it because of all the money we will have available next year. Would he sign a 8 year $90M deal with $30M in year 1? Then its basically a 7 year deal for $60M. I think it's a win win For everyone. If he holds out for Free agency he would def get more $$$ if he stays healthy, but this makes him a rich man and would be hard to turn down. And the Bill's would have a Top player at huge bargain year 2-8. Hell give him the most Guaranteed $$ a CB has ever gotten we can afford it. White wants to be great, i dont think we would have to worry he gets lazy like Daurius after he gets paid. And it's a good look to all the young players on the team. Play well and get paid. Love this team and how Beanie is running things. So many possibilities with how our cap is being managed. Yes iv been drinking The problem with front loading contracts is that players have a short memory. It appears to them like they are playing for peanuts and forget all about the signing bonus. Julio, Antonio, Leveon etc. are all examples of that. That said I do like the idea of signing him long term if we get a discount and if we don't pay a bunch early on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Franchiseneedsme said: You can tear up a rookie deal and sign a new one at any time. No, no you can’t. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Augie said: No, no you can’t. Agreed. Not til end of 3rd year and then there is a window. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franchiseneedsme Posted April 3, 2019 Author Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, freddyjj said: Agreed. Not til end of 3rd year and then there is a window. Next year is end of year 3 for tre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 There is a reason why building through the draft for your franchise players is a good idea it is so you can take it vantage of years of reasonable contracts before you have to pay the big dollars why would we tear up a contract even if we could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Just now, Franchiseneedsme said: Next year is end of year 3 for tre ...and only THEN can we NOT sign him to an EIGHT YEAR deal. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Franchiseneedsme said: Next year is end of year 3 for tre Sorry I read it as your proposal wanted to do so now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said: Next year is end of year 3 for tre tre or Trey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Sorry I read it as your proposal wanted to do so now. We have next year, plus the first round/fifth year option. Then Franchise if needed, but it’s all moot.....because an 8 year deal is wacky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, Augie said: I don’t know where to start......but I’ll go with - You want an EIGHT (8) YEAR deal? For a CB? Is this baseball? Really? Pfft I want 13 years with no opt out clause for either side. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Murica said: Pfft I want 13 years with no opt out clause for either side. I’m guessing you’re NOT a divorce attorney? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Murica said: Pfft I want 13 years with no opt out clause for either side. At vet minimum no doubt. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 26 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Think he will stay if they give him the key to the city, a driveway so flat he will want to do sit ups on it, and a snack? Maybe some popcorn? Dont forget venison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Augie said: We have next year, plus the first round/fifth year option. Then Franchise if needed, but it’s all moot.....because an 8 year deal is wacky. Right but at a 35% discount on the annual rate, I’m near positive he’d be all about really tying himself up for what amounts to his 2 biggest contracts rolled into one bargain basement deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: Right but at a 35% discount on the annual rate, I’m near positive he’d be all about really tying himself up for what amounts to his 2 biggest contracts rolled into one bargain basement deal. ....and then, there’s that. As I said, it was hard to know where to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, Augie said: Maybe get a good night’s sleep and check back tomorrow? I think he should keep drinking. Robert Foster about to get a John Calipari contract and a share of the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he should keep drinking. Robert Foster about to get a John Calipari contract and a share of the team. Hey! I’ll keep drinking for the right deal! I’ll drink right through till sunup for 50% of a Calipari deal! You and several other designated fall guys might spend a little time in prison, but you’ll get a nice fruit basket when you get out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Watkins101 said: I don't think you can sign anyone for 8 years. for a billion gazillion dollars....front loaded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Trey White > Bobby Bonilla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m guessing you’re NOT a divorce attorney? Nope, neither is the Phillies or Bryce Harper’s agent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: He'll pry want between 15 and 17 million a year if you choose to extend him now as he'll want top CB money.. Eight years is way too long of a contract so I'd go with 5 years, 75 million (45 guaranteed) or something along those lines. If he continues to be a top CB , he'll be getting $20+ per season if he waits out the rest of his rookie deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Franchiseneedsme said: White is the first top player coming up for a new deal under this regime. I was thinking it might be a smart idea to sign him to a long term deal and front load it because of all the money we will have available next year. Would he sign a 8 year $90M deal with $30M in year 1? Then its basically a 7 year deal for $60M. I think it's a win win For everyone. If he holds out for Free agency he would def get more $$$ if he stays healthy, but this makes him a rich man and would be hard to turn down. And the Bill's would have a Top player at huge bargain year 2-8. Hell give him the most Guaranteed $$ a CB has ever gotten we can afford it. White wants to be great, i dont think we would have to worry he gets lazy like Daurius after he gets paid. And it's a good look to all the young players on the team. Play well and get paid. Love this team and how Beanie is running things. So many possibilities with how our cap is being managed. Yes iv been drinking Never happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 I like the drinking part... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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