Dr.Sack Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 McDermott & Co. will need to coach better in pivotal moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, TheBeane said: This roster was crafted to fit what he is looking for. So he has a lot of input on the players they are pulling in. No matter your thoughts on if he is the guy to take this team to the Super Bowl and win it or not, he IS the guy who SHOULD get the most out of this team. Well, that's the part I'm not sure of. This offense is at the mercy of McD (as we saw last year) and Daboll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 We need one, maybe two, more legit playmakers on offense and a good young DT. Also, I like Allen, but he's still pretty raw. I think we can win 7-8 games next year and then contend in '20-21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 There will be a massive improvement at WR and Oline this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's fair to criticize McD. He's has a pathetic 10-15 record since a quick 5-2 start in his first season............included in there numerous massive blowout losses...........including the Peterman catastrophe's........and he's somehow managed the near impossible by raising the bar for a Bills coach being uncompetitive against Bill Belichick. He and Beane have shown an ability to self-evaluate wrt personnel and then make changes so hopefully there are no more Peterman's in his future and he figures out how to stop reflexively bending over at mere the sight of BB and the Pats. I disagree with anyone who says he hasnt gotten anything out of this team. This team had the worst roster in football last year and yet we still won games. The year before wasnt much better and we made the playoffs. I think anyone who critisizes what he gets from his team is delusional. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: My concern is that McD isn't the guy who is going to get the most out of this team. Sorry. I have zero concern he will get full buy-in and effort out of the team -- they seem to want to run through walls for him. My concern is whether he continues to develop his gameday routine (i.e., time management, strategic in-game decisions, etc.) because I think they do go into games with solid plans on both offense and defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HiddenInLight Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I believe we still need to spend a bit more this year to avoid having to pay a fine to the NFLPA. Some rule about not spending X amount over a three year period. That means we can probably expect either one more big deal or a few smaller ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: My concern is that McD isn't the guy who is going to get the most out of this team. Sorry. It's certainly an open question. He should win with this roster plus the draft picks. If he doesn't we may have a problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, eball said: I have zero concern he will get full buy-in and effort out of the team -- they seem to want to run through walls for him. My concern is whether he continues to develop his gameday routine (i.e., time management, strategic in-game decisions, etc.) because I think they do go into games with solid plans on both offense and defense. Again, it's not about full buy in and effort. Nice guys get that from their roster often. The other things you mention are my concerns as well. This guy volunteered to die on the Nate Peterman hill....twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 13, 2019 Author Share Posted March 13, 2019 I like the conversation in this thread. I don't think Buffalo has answered every question, by any means. I agree with those who point to the draft as a key to making this thing work. Beane made a strategic decision not to focus on big name players in free agency. Mitch Morse is a fairly big name, and he was made the highest paid center in the league. John Brown is a little less of a big name, but he's still notable. Beane also signed guys in the Micah Hyde category - guys who had playing time, maybe even a few starts, but were not household names. They still have the potential to come in and if not gain the near stardom like Hyde, at least might turn into solid starters - Nsekhe and Feliciano. There are questions about some players - Kevin Johnson's health, but I think this team has a chance to be significantly better than the 6-10 team from last season. I don't know that they are quite ready to dethrone New England, and the playoffs are not a guarantee at this point, but now that the cap situation has been cleared up, Brandon Beane clearly has his eyes on that goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 None of these signings amount to anything more than another 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 season, if Allen doesn't show major improvement this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I think a key to the success is how quickly the new OL coach can get this group of players into a cohesive unit. There were several OL free agents who signed huge deals...how much better can they block than the 4 we signed? All 4 were highly rated, and the margin between them and those with giant contracts is really not that wide. You can have a star at LT and the line still fails because they lack cohesion. The team got a lot better with the additions. Our receivers should be solid. Foster will get even better. Zay may be ready to become a great player. The guy from the CFL is a talent. We signed John Brown and Beasley. We're much better. The OL should be vastly improved. I think Josh Allen is going to be a superstar. If they can trade down and get extra picks, there is huge value in rounds 2-4. There's a running back to be drafted. Don't be shocked if it's one of the Alabama kids. I'm excited. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: He hasn't just claimed it. He's been judicious as hell. And when you have $75 mill, and you spend it judiciously, you can bring in a lot of pretty decent players, fill a lot of holes. And when you start talking about division crowns this early, you make people wonder if there are vast cases of Kool-Aid in your storerooms. I like how they're doing things a great deal. But they still have a lot to prove. I expect improvement, though. I think it's legit to expect far fewer areas of obvious weakness this year. But we still have a 2nd year QB and an OL that's never worked together. Playoffs seem possible this year, but far from a sure thing. i am so excited for this year!...because for once we have no qb competition or questions. they will hopefully get the starting 5 olinemen established early in camp. for the 1st time in many years we should be able to have a very solid, cohesive training camp and pre season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: It's fair to criticize McD. He's has a pathetic 10-15 record since a quick 5-2 start in his first season............included in there numerous massive blowout losses...........including the Peterman catastrophe's........and he's somehow managed the near impossible by raising the bar for a Bills coach being uncompetitive against Bill Belichick. He and Beane have shown an ability to self-evaluate wrt personnel and then make changes so hopefully there are no more Peterman's in his future and he figures out how to stop reflexively bending over at mere the sight of BB and the Pats. The decision to stay with Peterman for as long as he did, certainly hurt his credibility. So far his coaching ability is primarily defensive. So I believe he can maintain a solid D throughout his tenure, but it will be DaBoll and this offense that determines McD's fate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibum Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Let's not get too excited yet. None of the FA signings are superstars, and a few of them have significant injury histories. Let's see how they play on game day before we label this team a winner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Again, it's not about full buy in and effort. Nice guys get that from their roster often. The other things you mention are my concerns as well. This guy volunteered to die on the Nate Peterman hill....twice. Yeah, I don't think it's that he's a "nice guy" -- he earns their respect. The Peterman thing is still inexplicable...I'd like to sit down with McD over a beer and really find out what that was all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 15 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: My concern is that McD isn't the guy who is going to get the most out of this team. Sorry. Im sorry your posts are so bad He takes a team that sheds salary for draft picks in his first year and makes the playoffs Last year.....now in full blown rebiuld mode and dead cap sandwich he wins more games then he should have...... He has been working with chicken salad......now has a better choice of meat and YOU dont think he can work with it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 15 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said: We have 3 games against the 2 biggest tanking teams in the league (Miami 2x, NYG) I'll go ahead and say it. We absolutely have to win all 3 and I'll go further. We need to win all 3 convincingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 hours ago, HiddenInLight said: I believe we still need to spend a bit more this year to avoid having to pay a fine to the NFLPA. Some rule about not spending X amount over a three year period. That means we can probably expect either one more big deal or a few smaller ones. Everyone needs to stop bringing up this 89% spending floor rule. It will have no effect on the Bills. 1st off it will not be calculated until all spending is done after the 2020 season. It's the accumulative spending in cash over the 4 seasons starting in 2017. It is cash spending not cap space. NFL teams have bean counters who know these things. NO TEAM has ever paid money to the NFLPA and none ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 47 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Im sorry your posts are so bad He takes a team that sheds salary for draft picks in his first year and makes the playoffs Last year.....now in full blown rebiuld mode and dead cap sandwich he wins more games then he should have...... He has been working with chicken salad......now has a better choice of meat and YOU dont think he can work with it What’s wrong with chicken salad? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 44 minutes ago, rodneykm said: I'll go ahead and say it. We absolutely have to win all 3 and I'll go further. We need to win all 3 convincingly. Maybe I missed it, but do convincing wins now mean more in the standings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 16 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: My concern is that McD isn't the guy who is going to get the most out of this team. Sorry. This is absurd. I am not a huge fan of BEANE, but McDermott had MAXIMIZED the win totals of some VERY limited teams in terms of talent. There is no telling if he's a coach who's good enough to get into the playoffs, but not quite good enough in primetime, but this is a ridiculous take based on what has actually transpired thus far. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I like the enthusiasm, but I still have reservations. We signed good players in FA, but not game changers by any means. I also need to be convinced that Josh Allen can throw with enough accuracy that we can beat the heavyweight teams consistently and frankly, I doubt we'll ever get that from him. You either wake up with that kind of arm accuracy or you don't and there is no question that he doesn't. How that will change, I have no idea. 1 hour ago, skibum said: Let's not get too excited yet. None of the FA signings are superstars, and a few of them have significant injury histories. Let's see how they play on game day before we label this team a winner. Best post so far. You are exactly right. It still depends on whether or not Allen can hit the side of the proverbial barn with his throws. I'll need to be convinced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: I like the enthusiasm, but I still have reservations. We signed good players in FA, but not game changers by any means. I also need to be convinced that Josh Allen can throw with enough accuracy that we can beat the heavyweight teams consistently and frankly, I doubt we'll ever get that from him. You either wake up with that kind of arm accuracy or you don't and there is no question that he doesn't. How that will change, I have no idea. That is my concern as well. I'm not hating on Allen, nor will I gush about a guy who hasn't PROVEN to be a top notch passer in the NFL. My overall take from free agency is that acquisitions appear to be good, not great on paper. If Josh Allen IS the real deal, this will take care of itself. No, there is no QB who could take last year's trash heap offense far, but the one we'll field this year will be significantly better. The kind of decent offense that a standout QB can make better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Maybe I missed it, but do convincing wins now mean more in the standings? In the standings? No. To team morale? You're damn right it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobot Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I'm cautiously optimistic, but I agree things seem different. I'm thrilled with how free agency started for the Bills, but won't delude myself into thinking they've stacked pro-bowlers across the board. However, Allen has been given enough pieces to (hopefully) succeed. I don't expect him to turn into Jim Kelly or Ben Roethlisberger this year, but I do expect progress. If there's substantial progress, I think many of us will be (pleasantly) surprised with the results, but for me, that is not the expectation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 33 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I like the enthusiasm, but I still have reservations. We signed good players in FA, but not game changers by any means. I also need to be convinced that Josh Allen can throw with enough accuracy that we can beat the heavyweight teams consistently and frankly, I doubt we'll ever get that from him. You either wake up with that kind of arm accuracy or you don't and there is no question that he doesn't. How that will change, I have no idea. Best post so far. You are exactly right. It still depends on whether or not Allen can hit the side of the proverbial barn with his throws. I'll need to be convinced. You can claim the sky is green forever. But repeating it all the time doesn't make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Im sorry your posts are so bad He takes a team that sheds salary for draft picks in his first year and makes the playoffs Last year.....now in full blown rebiuld mode and dead cap sandwich he wins more games then he should have...... He has been working with chicken salad......now has a better choice of meat and YOU dont think he can work with it Those are roster moves, bro. Let's see him coach on Sundays to win games. You said the same stuff about Rex I bet. Because...of course you do. 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: This is absurd. I am not a huge fan of BEANE, but McDermott had MAXIMIZED the win totals of some VERY limited teams in terms of talent. There is no telling if he's a coach who's good enough to get into the playoffs, but not quite good enough in primetime, but this is a ridiculous take based on what has actually transpired thus far. It's the talent he and Beane put out there---including Peterman. That wasn't a winning-max move. I'm ready to see it this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Those are roster moves, bro. Let's see him coach on Sundays to win games. You said the same stuff about Rex I bet. Because...of course you do. Except when Rex got here and didnt perform.....I didnt And yes....when you are coaching on a team with little talent and you make playoffs in your first year...you dont suck but hey lets not let that get in the way of your little narrative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 17 hours ago, DallasMac said: I'm still a little underwhelmed by our receivers but I have been happy overall with what they have done. And I know there weren't a lot of receivers to choose from. Can't wait for the draft. LOL our Receivers are already 100% better then what we had and to boot its going to turn into a competition and we have not even gone into the draft yet.. I am not worried about WR.. 2-3 will pop out and we will be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Except when Rex got here and didnt perform.....I didnt And yes....when you are coaching on a team with little talent and you make playoffs in your first year...you dont suck but hey lets not let that get in the way of your little narrative My narrative is let's wait and see. I'm withholding judgment but skeptical. Pretty crazy, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasMac Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said: LOL our Receivers are already 100% better then what we had and to boot its going to turn into a competition and we have not even gone into the draft yet.. I am not worried about WR.. 2-3 will pop out and we will be good to go. Saying our wrs are better isn't saying much. They couldn't get much worse. Like I said I'm looking forward to the draft to hopefully get a guy or two with some size. Josh Allen isn't Tom Brady where he's going to make quick throws to small fast guys underneath. He needs some guys with a bigger catch radius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 hours ago, LabattBlue said: None of these signings amount to anything more than another 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 season, if Allen doesn't show major improvement this year. He will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) On 3/13/2019 at 1:45 PM, Mr. WEO said: Those are roster moves, bro. Let's see him coach on Sundays to win games. You said the same stuff about Rex I bet. Because...of course you do. It's the talent he and Beane put out there---including Peterman. That wasn't a winning-max move. I'm ready to see it this year. Same my friend. I don't think any of us can defend the Peterman situation. My overall point was that I do feel McDermott has gotten maximum win totals out of poor rosters. The key question with him I think is whether he's a Dick Jauron(worst case scenario) who can eek out wins from a bunch of castoffs or is a guy able to take that next, all important step. I don't think free agency has been terrific or terrible. It's somewhere in between. The roster is most certainly improved to the point where it's not unrealistic to expect a pretty big leap forward, especially if Allen can build on his end of season improvements. Edited March 18, 2019 by LSHMEAB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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