MrEpsYtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: It's a fair comparison, but imo Brown is faster than Thompson and has better hands. Thompson plays stronger and is more polished on routes, but overall Brown is the superior player for me. I appreciate the feedback and agree that Brown is better, but is he 7 million better? Deonte is like a 2 million dollar guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 21 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Ummm he was getting it done in Baltimore before Lamar came in ??♂️??♂️??♂️ He was falling off before Lamar touched the field. Under 30 yards in 3 of his last 4 games with Flacco. Having said that, even when he's not catching the ball, he's putting pressure on defenses. He and Foster will both force safety help over the top and that should open up the middle of the field for Allen's runs, the run game, and Beasley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Pretty excited for both WR additions, only concern is Brown's drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: He's the WR I most wanted. He's a #1 WR on a few WR poor rosters. And if Foster improves like we expect, we got John Brown as the 1b WR. I love the depth we got here regardless. I'm ambivalent about Cole Beasley but he's got hands and elusiveness.. so improvement too.. It's not hard to improve with most any WRs. I like that we're wising up to getting guys that fit Josh Allen's needs: speed, elusiveness, and hands. Not so much size. Don't really care for Kroft much but whatever. Cole Beasley can serve the safety blanket role and Kroft can block if Allen prefers his slot in the passing game as a safety valve. Agree entirely. Brown is a 15 YPC career guy. Beasley is a slot guy, but he's elusive. Whatever you think of Allen, these are the kind of players you surround him with. He'll never be the most precise/accurate QB in the league, so you play to his strengths; guys who's number 1 trait is the ability to separate and make plays down the field. Beasley isn't particularly exciting, but he's a terrific fit in an EP offense and can help alleviate the need for a premiere TE if the draft doesn't swing that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: John Brown has been a number 1. He is a 3 on a good team. It’s a complete overpay but he has talent And it’s better to have too many receivers than what we had last year. I predict he doesn’t see the end of the contract though. I'm fine with an overpay for a proven WR that can do what JA needs for him. We might as well overpay on front loaded contracts.. which looks to be our gameplan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, VW82 said: The number is fine if he can actually play. I'm questioning whether he's any good. He was really ineffective in the games I watched, though he did score a TD against us so there's that. He can play imo. He had a down year in a sense, the Ravens ran some very weird patterns w/ Crabtree taking Brown's deep looks which I could not understand at all, between Snead getting a bunch of intermediate looks it almost seemed to me Baltimore didn't know what to do with Brown. He has a specific skillset that can be very useful in the right offense but he's not a jack of all trades wideout and that seemed how they were trying to use him. 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: I appreciate the feedback and agree that Brown is better, but is he 7 million better? Deonte is like a 2 million dollar guy. IMO yes. The difference between a $2M NFL wideout and a $9M one is that the $2M guy is going to be out of the league come opening day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He can play imo. He had a down year in a sense, the Ravens ran some very weird patterns w/ Crabtree taking Brown's deep looks which I could not understand at all, between Snead getting a bunch of intermediate looks it almost seemed to me Baltimore didn't know what to do with Brown. He has a specific skillset that can be very useful in the right offense but he's not a jack of all trades wideout and that seemed how they were trying to use him. See the splits above. He was having a great year through the first 8 weeks - until the QB change, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 You don't sign quality players and you're criticized. You sign quality players and the knee jerk reaction is "overpaid." Buffalo can't be moved to the tropics; so you do what you have to and are able to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: He performed really well when Flacco was the QB - far above a #3. The numbers tell the story. I know but there is a pattern with him. He basically is the fantasy guy no one drafts, then he has a couple monster weeks, gets picked up, and then eventually gets dropped. He was with Palmer and was pretty inconsistent. its an overpay but he does have talent and I’d rather have more weapons than less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, DCOrange said: He was falling off before Lamar touched the field. Under 30 yards in 3 of his last 4 games with Flacco. Having said that, even when he's not catching the ball, he's putting pressure on defenses. He and Foster will both force safety help over the top and that should open up the middle of the field for Allen's runs, the run game, and Beasley. That is misleading. The stomped TN, 21-0, in game 6, and the game was basically over at halftime. No need to go deep in that game after midway through the second quarter. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJo02/gamelog/2018/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, VW82 said: I like this signing a lot less than Cole Beasley. Are we sure Brown can get open, or catch for that matter? Dude seems to have a lot of issues hanging onto the football. I get he's fast and right now Foster is the only vertical threat, but this seems like a lot of money for a guy who might not even be a top 4 wideout. He averages 17+ yards a catch and is a serious speedster running a 4.34...pretty sure he can get open. Him and Foster are gonna cause issues for defenses having to defend deep and then Zay and Beasley will have room to work underneath... Don't look at these signings individually look at what it does to the defenses...they have to back off because now we 2 threats outside to score on any given play. That leaves more room to be exploited underneath. When teams then try and come up and take away the underneath stuff then we hurt them deep. This is basically putting the D in a no win situation. Edited March 12, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know but there is a pattern with him. He basically is the fantasy guy no one drafts, then he has a couple monster weeks, gets picked up, and then eventually gets dropped. He was with Palmer and was pretty inconsistent. its an overpay but he does have talent and I’d rather have more weapons than less. Never base assessments on the ups and downs of your fantasy team! Edited March 12, 2019 by dave mcbride 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know but there is a pattern with him. He basically is the fantasy guy no one drafts, then he has a couple monster weeks, gets picked up, and then eventually gets dropped. He was with Palmer and was pretty inconsistent. its an overpay but he does have talent and I’d rather have more weapons than less. i'm betting they front loaded it... which makes it a bit better to deal with obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He can play imo. He had a down year in a sense, the Ravens ran some very weird patterns w/ Crabtree taking Brown's deep looks which I could not understand at all, between Snead getting a bunch of intermediate looks it almost seemed to me Baltimore didn't know what to do with Brown. He has a specific skillset that can be very useful in the right offense but he's not a jack of all trades wideout and that seemed how they were trying to use him. IMO yes. The difference between a $2M NFL wideout and a $9M one is that the $2M guy is going to be out of the league come opening day. If thompsons so good, why is he always getting cut? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Check out his splits from last year: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJo02/splits/2018/ In the first 8 games, he had 31 catches for 586 yards (18.9 ypc) and 4 TDs, which prorates to 62 catches,1,172 yards, and 8 TDs. He also caught over 50 percent of the balls thrown his way--which is perfectly fine when your ypc is 19 yards per reception. In the final eight games, he caught 30 percent of the balls thrown his way. There must have been a QB change in Baltimore ... Anyway, the starkness of the divide is pretty remarkable. Oh, there’s no doubt that the biggest reason for his drop-off was Lamar and the O’s change for him... but the team (and O) were struggling for a stretch with Flacco before he got hurt, that’s why no one was surprised that Lamar remained the starter after Joe came back. Anyways, great signing for the Beaner! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know but there is a pattern with him. He basically is the fantasy guy no one drafts, then he has a couple monster weeks, gets picked up, and then eventually gets dropped. He was with Palmer and was pretty inconsistent. its an overpay but he does have talent and I’d rather have more weapons than less. He's being paid with the 23rd highest contract league wide and he's the highest paid WR on the team...how is that an overpay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I try to look at it like - a % of your cap is delegated to position groups - our current WR group had probably the lowest in the league, meaning there's room to spend there. There also isn't really anyone in line for a major extension in the next 2-3 years - so again, 2-4 year contracts don't hurt us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, dneveu said: If thompsons so good, why is he always getting cut? He's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: This joke of a GM continues who on the bills touched you inappropriately? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: He's being paid with the 23rd highest contract league wide and he's the highest paid WR on the team...how is that an overpay? Because he went to the Bills, obviously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I know but there is a pattern with him. He basically is the fantasy guy no one drafts, then he has a couple monster weeks, gets picked up, and then eventually gets dropped. He was with Palmer and was pretty inconsistent. its an overpay but he does have talent and I’d rather have more weapons than less. I'd add that deep threats are by nature inconsistent. One week they have 4 catches for 147 yards and 2 TDs, and the next they have 1 catch for 11 yards. It balances out into a 1000 yard season and ypc of 17 or so. But on their big days, they can win games for you -- which is something that a player like Zay Jones simply cannot do ever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: Boy I wish we had anoher GM I know you're doing you're best to rocket up the troll standings today, but in the meantime we have actual football to discuss, of which our FO clearly knows more than the level of insight being brought to the table in your offerings. Try again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Nice, we needed more speed with the QB we have. These contracts are all front-loaded too and we had a bunch of cap space next year as well, I like that these signings don't preclude us from re-signing the guys we draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, liverpoolkev said: This joke of a GM continues Unfortunately, so does the joke of your trolling what is clearly a decent FA period for the Bills right now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 He's kind of redundant with us having Foster, but there's no doubt the guy is super talented when healthy. I wanted him last year in the worst way. I'm curious where this leaves Foster now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, teef said: who on the bills touched you inappropriately? what I would give for some inappropriate touching nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 someone else totally stole my thunder (and i reported the post because i will not stand for that at the break of free agency!) but two over the top guys and two underneath guys means we can run all those crazy formations and routes that dabol wants too. josh allen obviously has to improve his d reading and such, but our O should give him a lot more opportunity to play hero ball and roast Dbs w his arm and LBs with his legs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 So i just did a little math - Brown secured 8/30 targets once they went with Jackson. He also had a really lousy game against Cleveland where he only caught 4/14 targets. Either way - clearly he wasn't on the same page as jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Moderately interesting: as Carolina DC, McDermott faced John Brown two years in a row in the playoffs. In 2014, he had 4 catches (on 5 targets) for 34 yards in a loss to Carolina. In the 2015 NFC championship game vs. Carolina, Carson Palmer targeted Brown 8 times. He had 2 receptions for 23 yards. Anyway, you know that McDermott is going to be very familiar with his game given the intensity of the coaching that goes into playoff games. In a 2016 regular season game v. Carolina, Brown had 4 catches on 4 targets for 49 yards and a TD. Edited March 12, 2019 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, berg1029 said: He's kind of redundant with us having Foster, but there's no doubt the guy is super talented when healthy. I wanted him last year in the worst way. I'm curious where this leaves Foster now. Working to improve and earn playing time - as a 2nd year UDFA should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: what I would give for some inappropriate touching nowadays i should be done today at around 5. i'm having beers with likei've, but i think he'd understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Guess he wants a real QB this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: He's being paid with the 23rd highest contract league wide and he's the highest paid WR on the team...how is that an overpay? Because he averages 646 yards per season. but again, he has talent. But it’s an overpay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Look at his pre-Lamar pace last year I'm warming up to it lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Never base assessments on the ups and downs of your fantasy team! My fantasy teams are pretty awesome though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: That is misleading. The stomped TN, 21-0, in game 6, and the game was basically over at halftime. No need to go deep in that game after midway through the second quarter. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BrowJo02/gamelog/2018/ It was 14-0 at half and Flacco still threw it almost 40 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Good stuff, good signing! Beane doing it right with good receivers while not overspending! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Because he averages 646 yards per season. but again, he has talent. But it’s an overpay. Just so we're clear: you're basing your evaluation of Brown by taking an average of yards/season over his career...regardless of how many targets he got? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: Just so we're clear: you're basing your evaluation of Brown by taking an average of yards/season over his career...regardless of how many targets he got? I think he is a very inconsistent receiver . Talented for sure but he is on his 3rd team in 5 years. Again, I’d rather have more weapons than less so I’m fine with it. Even if it’s an overpay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: Starting to wonder if they are going to use the draft to get their RT at 9. Josh will need some time to throw the ball don't cha know, So yeah I certainly hope AT LEAST two OL are drafted. Also, hope they don't wait until the 5th round to start thinking about the most important position group on a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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