HappyDays Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: That said, I just can't see the overall value meeting the investment. Not when there are equal, or even greater holes to fill this year Truth be told I don't think any player will be available at 9 that I would prefer to trading down. I'm not in love with Metcalf or anything but I think he'd be a good pick at 9 if we stay put. I'm still expecting a defensive lineman at that pick though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Beane made it to two Bulls games this year...with Johnson not running,I bet his stock falls around the league but it shouldn't effect what Beane knows about him. AJ in the second????? There are going to be a lot of great WR prospects there at the top of the 2nd where we pick. I like our chances to get a future #1WR at 40. and we will have some elite linemen at 9 to choose from which is exciting now if there is a trade down, it may start to look different to me in which direction to go Edited March 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, SWATeam said: I didn't know it needed to be unanimous. Well how "widely" was he considered the WR1, and does that matter at all in comparison to what NFL teams think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Beane made it to two Bulls games this year...with Johnson not running,I bet his stock falls around the league but it shouldn't effect what Beane knows about him. AJ in the second????? I think the 2nd is too early for Anthony Johnson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, OldTimer1960 said: I think the 2nd is too early for Anthony Johnson. It is. I would like to draft him though. If we have the ability to draft 2 WRs I would take him in the 5th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I want nothing to do with a WR with his injury history, especially if he has foot problems. I’m not looking for Sammy 2.0 Wait, are you saying Sammy Watkins hasn't been good on the 3 teams he's been on? Pshaw! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Hockenson, Fant and Harry are all much better options. Leave the athletic freaks for the Raiders. Considering tight end is even weaker for the Bills than wide receiver, my vote goes to Hockenson or Fant at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It is. I would like to draft him though. If we have the ability to draft 2 WRs I would take him in the 5th. I really doubt he falls that far...and he is going to run at the UB Pro Day. 10 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: I think the 2nd is too early for Anthony Johnson. 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Yav said: He’s injury prone, not a good route runner and tends to drop the ball in critical situations. N’Keal Harry is a better WR, has strong hands wins contested catches, runs good routes, has insane YAC ability and can contribute on returns. Oh and Harry also had 27 reps on the bench. Does he run good routes? Bucky Brooks said he was the biggest loser yesterday after looking sluggish in and out of breaks. Can a non ASU fan elaborate on this? He looks slow to me, I didn’t see the combine yesterday I’m just curious why Brooks was so down on him and guys are around here are so high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Truth be told I don't think any player will be available at 9 that I would prefer to trading down. I'm not in love with Metcalf or anything but I think he'd be a good pick at 9 if we stay put. I'm still expecting a defensive lineman at that pick though. I think there are a few that may be available at 9 that's worthy. Oliver, White,Taylor,Dilliard, Byron Murphy. And if a crazy run on QB's happens( might happen) Josh Allen. I'm so ready for this draft! To think we have a QB and MLB in place for years to come makes this year very different and excruciatingly exciting! 22 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Beane made it to two Bulls games this year...with Johnson not running,I bet his stock falls around the league but it shouldn't effect what Beane knows about him. AJ in the second????? AJ Brown I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: I really doubt he falls that far...and he is going to run at the UB Pro Day. 3rd? I don’t think he has been projected that high. I also was thinking 3rd but it’s such a deep class Edited March 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I don’t think he has been projected that high. I also was thinking 3rd but it’s such a deep class Last May CBS(Chris trapaso) had him 11th in the country..In December,GBN put him at 40 ish ,still is. His missed time (Hammy) didn't help him any. I guess I have to much homer in me... Edited March 3, 2019 by Misterbluesky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedandBlue Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Build the lines, get one of the solid TE’s and snag Isabella. If those things can be done, I will be thrilled exiting draft weekend. Maybe we will get lucky with Williams, and he will be what we hope Metcalf could be. He can clearly ball and go up and get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 People need to not get caught up in the easily trained combine skills. Workout warriors happen all the time. Julio produced in college. Metcalf may be good, but he definitely isn’t a sure thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, whatdrought said: People need to not get caught up in the easily trained combine skills. Workout warriors happen all the time. Julio produced in college. Metcalf may be good, but he definitely isn’t a sure thing. Agree. Fans get caught up in it but teams don’t. They are trying to see if the combine stuff matches what they have on film so they can apply a final grade. If it doesn’t and for example a guy runs slower or faster than expected, they have to go back the film. It may or may not change their grade on him. But the combine doesn’t create a guy’s grade, it more or less confirms or clouds what they already have. Best athlete does not equal best football player so the film is always the deciding factor. Super fast athletic freaks are great but at the end of the day a WR have to be able to get separation, run routes, and catch the ball. There are no cones on a football field. Edited March 3, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spielman Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) I’d rather grab Parris Campbell in the 2nd. Metcalf looks great, but he lacks quickness, too stiff. Great speed and size, no doubt, but I think Campbell will have the better career . Oh, and Isabella for sure if we can pick up an extra pick or two I’d trade down, grab Bradbury late first and Campbell and Damien Harris in the 2nd. Edited March 3, 2019 by Spielman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, BuffAlone said: Oliver, White,Taylor,Dilliard, Byron Murphy Oliver intrigues me. I'm normally wary of players that see their stock suddenly rise after the season ends, but for Oliver the exact opposite happened. He was a lock to be a top 3 pick and I now I see mocks where he isn't even taken in the top half of the 1st round. What changed? His size? On tape he still looks like an elite pass rusher to me. Right now he would be my favorite pick at 9, but who knows maybe he'll go top 5 after all. A lot of BS flies around this time of year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Oliver intrigues me. I'm normally wary of players that see their stock suddenly rise after the season ends, but for Oliver the exact opposite happened. He was a lock to be a top 3 pick and I now I see mocks where he isn't even taken in the top half of the 1st round. What changed? His size? On tape he still looks like an elite pass rusher to me. Right now he would be my favorite pick at 9, but who knows maybe he'll go top 5 after all. A lot of BS flies around this time of year. That’s just draft analysts. I don’t think his stock has changed with actual teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 As an Ole Miss fan, no. Him and AJ Brown were invisible in big games against good CB’s. I want Hollywood Brown over both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Watched him a lot at ole miss. He mostly ran go routes. Hands weren’t overly dominant. Not great at high-pointing balls. He he wasn’t even the best receiver on his team. I’d take him in the 2nd round, not the first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s just draft analysts. I don’t think his stock has changed with actual teams. The so called "insiders" say that teams think he is undersized and some are projecting him as an LB. Like I said it could be BS but the story on him has changed a lot. At the beginning of the season we were talking about the Bills drafting Oliver at 1 or 2 overall. Now we're talking about drafting him at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s just draft analysts. I don’t think his stock has changed with actual teams. Agreed. The whole sideline coat wearing spat thing hopefully is just enough to drop him to number 9 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: The so called "insiders" say that teams think he is undersized and some are projecting him as an LB. Like I said it could be BS but the story on him has changed a lot. At the beginning of the season we were talking about the Bills drafting Oliver at 1 or 2 overall. Now we're talking about drafting him at 9. Smoke. Cory Glenn can't play OT either lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, HappyDays said: The so called "insiders" say that teams think he is undersized and some are projecting him as an LB. Like I said it could be BS but the story on him has changed a lot. At the beginning of the season we were talking about the Bills drafting Oliver at 1 or 2 overall. Now we're talking about drafting him at 9. His combine interview is so good. He met with Bills today I think McD probably fell in love. Kid sounds like a nasty, aggressive football player who is most conducive to 3 technique and do whatever the coach asks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It is. I would like to draft him though. If we have the ability to draft 2 WRs I would take him in the 5th. This is why i would like to see Bills maneuver picks. would like to see either 2TEs and or 2 Wrs or a combination to get 3 pass catchers from the draft. both of these things can happen outside of the first round and still acquire starters. right after FA fixes the O line. : ) and gets a TE in FA as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Or Breshad Perriman An even better comp as he’s bigger than Hill and also a strong wind away from the IR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSB2020 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Oliver intrigues me. I'm normally wary of players that see their stock suddenly rise after the season ends, but for Oliver the exact opposite happened. He was a lock to be a top 3 pick and I now I see mocks where he isn't even taken in the top half of the 1st round. What changed? His size? On tape he still looks like an elite pass rusher to me. Right now he would be my favorite pick at 9, but who knows maybe he'll go top 5 after all. A lot of BS flies around this time of year. Yeah. It seems like Oliver was so highly touted going into the season that the collective football world starting scrutinizing his perceived flaws well before the normal vetting process. Not sure if any of this actually translates as each team will compile their own board and he could still go top 5. I'd be thrilled with Oliver at 9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: His combine interview is so good. He met with Bills today I think McD probably fell in love. Kid sounds like a nasty, aggressive football player who is most conducive to 3 technique and do whatever the coach asks. this is a pick at Nine i can see them doing , if it falls to them. My plan is still viable 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: His combine interview is so good. He met with Bills today I think McD probably fell in love. Kid sounds like a nasty, aggressive football player who is most conducive to 3 technique and do whatever the coach asks. Other than Quinnen Williams, Oliver is my favorite player in this draft. If he should fall to 9, I'm sprinting to the podium! Those are the only two in this draft that absolutely scream Buffalo Bills to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, BillsSB2020 said: Yeah. It seems like Oliver was so highly touted going into the season that the collective football world starting scrutinizing his perceived flaws well before the normal vetting process. Not sure if any of this actually translates as each team will compile their own board and he could still go top 5. I'd be thrilled with Oliver at 9. That is definitely what happened. I always say not to overthink things. He’s a top 5 prospect but this draft is deep and he could be there at 9. Would be great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Another thing to think about: Beane and McDermott come from the Panthers, who have historically NOT drafted receivers with their 1st pick. They have much more often used high picks on defensive linemen and offensive linemen. The Panthers seem to go by the "no #1 WR, but a collection of #2 receivers" (pun intended only if you want it to be) school of thought. Based on McDermott and Beane's recent comments, they seem to agree. Something about a WR at 9 doesn't feel like it's in Beane/McDermott's wheelhouse. At any rate, so much of the draft discussion is almost completely pointless until we see what free agency brings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAMIEBUF12 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Because we need to build a o-line first.When the team is more solid then you can draft top ten wide receivers and tightends.Right now the Bills first priority should be to protect last years investment in our qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: His combine was actually more fascinating than it was a complete success This graph is awesome. Those are some really glaring holes in his game. Kinda reminds me of that "Trouble with the Curve" movie. Does anyone know if graphs like these are available for the other WRs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Does he run good routes? Bucky Brooks said he was the biggest loser yesterday after looking sluggish in and out of breaks. Can a non ASU fan elaborate on this? He looks slow to me, I didn’t see the combine yesterday I’m just curious why Brooks was so down on him and guys are around here are so high. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/2/18245181/2019-nfl-combine-results-wide-receiver-tight-end https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/1859692/n-keal-harry-has-impressive-day-nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-jumping/amp/ Do a search on Twitter for N’Keal Harry and you’ll see. I get it most on the East Coast don’t get to see PAC 12 games, but this kid is the real deal. Thankfully some NFL scouts recognize how good this young man really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: This graph is awesome. Those are some really glaring holes in his game. Kinda reminds me of that "Trouble with the Curve" movie. Does anyone know if graphs like these are available for the other WRs? Yes mockdraftable is a website that has them 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Yav said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2019/3/2/18245181/2019-nfl-combine-results-wide-receiver-tight-end https://www.google.com/amp/arizonasports.com/story/1859692/n-keal-harry-has-impressive-day-nfl-combine-40-yard-dash-jumping/amp/ Do a search on Twitter for N’Keal Harry and you’ll see. I get it most on the East Coast don’t get to see PAC 12 games, but this kid is the real deal. Thankfully some NFL scouts recognize how good this young man really is. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001020526/article/2019-nfl-scouting-combine-winnerslosers-dk-metcalf-is-rare%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcombine-winners-and-losers&p.ct=Combine%2bRecap%2b&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp Concering. From the limited amount of him that I have watched that’s what I see. Slow. If you’re so high on Harry what do you think about Butler? Seems you like the catch radius and speed, he is bigger, faster and has the wing span of a 7 footer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 25 minutes ago, Logic said: Another thing to think about: Beane and McDermott come from the Panthers, who have historically NOT drafted receivers with their 1st pick. They have much more often used high picks on defensive linemen and offensive linemen. The Panthers seem to go by the "no #1 WR, but a collection of #2 receivers" (pun intended only if you want it to be) school of thought. Based on McDermott and Beane's recent comments, they seem to agree. Something about a WR at 9 doesn't feel like it's in Beane/McDermott's wheelhouse. At any rate, so much of the draft discussion is almost completely pointless until we see what free agency brings. Agreed! And just to kind of add to that, the offensive E-P system is really about complimentary routes. It's about guys doing their jobs. It really doesn't require a #1 guy. It requires the the QB to read things and find the open guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, CommonCents said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001020526/article/2019-nfl-scouting-combine-winnerslosers-dk-metcalf-is-rare%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=prtnr%3Dcombine-winners-and-losers&p.ct=Combine%2bRecap%2b&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%23000&p.bgc1m=%23EAEAEA&sr=amp Concering. From the limited amount of him that I have watched that’s what I see. Slow. If you’re so high on Harry what do you think about Butler? Seems you like the catch radius and speed, he is bigger, faster and has the wing span of a 7 footer. Butler has issues with drops. Thats the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I'm torn. I firmly believe that great WRs are expert route runners and he'd have to prove he could be one to draft him at #9. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 This thread can be summed up as: "Fans enamored with player physiques confuse that with actual football skills." If performance in the combine was the deciding factor, Mike Mamula and Bruce Campbell would be HOFers. Pass on Metcalf. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: After watching that performance. Hes like a combination of Julio Jones and EMO. Does he make it to 9 after this combine? OL you can't win without a superb OL.Putting a nice set of speakers in a car doesn't is not good business. NO OL= little or no chance to be successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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