formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Doc said: "For what pick?" is the question. And if Murray busts? And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset. Learn to read. Especially the last line, because that is exactly what I was alluding to "they will waste a lesser asset on him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, Doc said: "For what pick?" is the question. And if Murray busts? And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset. I mean, can’t that logic be used against any first overall pick? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Murrey might not even be the best in this class. Id take Mayfield and Allen over him. What if one of the 9 other teams gets him for a lesser pick. Then it would appear they will waste a lesser asset on him. Mayfield and Allen aren't in the draft. 56 minutes ago, Doc said: "For what pick?" is the question. And if Murray busts? And if he busts...it will still be a waste of an asset. The thing about picks is that there's always more. Some teams go decades without franchise QB's, not 1st rounders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 hours ago, CNYfan said: I think this is bad news, if true. My reasoning is that if the QB Murray goes at #1, that drops Bosa or Q. Williams to the Jets. And the Jets at 3 get one of the top two players in the draft. I have stated, and continue to believe that Bosa and Q. Williams are alone as the elite tier. Then there is a drop off. I would welcome this. The Jets have used their premium picks on defense for years and it’s gotten them nowhere. The Jets need offensive weapons, just like the Bills do. They’ll be looking to trade back. 7 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said: No chance he’s getting a first. That was my initial reaction, but I’m not so sure. He went 10 overall last year, and he was hardly a total disaster as a rookie starter on a bad team. If more than one team likes him, the Cards could get a mid-first for Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 9 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Your take is just bad. The words won't "haunt him for a decade." Would you take Murray at #1 GB? I know you liked Rosen a lot. I liked Rosen more than I like Murray. Murray would have been my QB4 in the last class. With how he measured I would generally have no qualms taking Murray in the top 10. I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year to do so though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: That was my initial reaction, but I’m not so sure. He went 10 overall last year, and he was hardly a total disaster as a rookie starter on a bad team. If more than one team likes him, the Cards could get a mid-first for Rosen. I certainly think he could be worth a pick around the bottom third of the first round.. I think people always undervalue what teams will give up for a QB,,, Tyrod cost 65 for one year and had to be paid $15m... Rosen comes with minimum three years control at a fraction that cost.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Now he needs 7 rings to surpass Brady! Maybe he should lock down a starting job before he calls out the guy who has 6 SB rings Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 6 hours ago, BringBackOrton said: Mayfield and Allen aren't in the draft. The thing about picks is that there's always more. Some teams go decades without franchise QB's, not 1st rounders. I was responding to the person who said if we had the #1 pick they would comsider Murray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I remember Howard Simon who was almost crying on the air the morning that they drafted Allen. Then you had guys like Jeremy White and Mike Schopp who complained for days because they wanted Rosen and Lamar, respectively. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Wouldn’t it be pretty smart for the Cardinals to tell people that so they could drive up the price for a trade? Let people think they love that qb to force teams hands. Haven’t we learned to never believe anything you hear pre draft? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 21 hours ago, Augie said: But more than that. Everyone realizes he was surrounded by Grade A garbage last season. He fit right in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Arizona would be a good team to take him. Controlled environment in a dome. This little fella is gonna be fun to watch, but how long will he last? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, BillyWhiteShows said: I remember Howard Simon who was almost crying on the air the morning that they drafted Allen. Then you had guys like Jeremy White and Mike Schopp who complained for days because they wanted Rosen and Lamar, respectively. Pre-draft, there were literally dozens of “contributors “ here who pledged that they were finished with the Bills for good if they drafted Josh Allen. The already knew with certainty that low college completion rate equals automatic NFL failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 8 hours ago, Virgil said: I mean, can’t that logic be used against any first overall pick? Yes. And in fact, it's highly debilitating for a team to focus too much on the "bust" probability of a 1st round pick. Accept that it's high and move forward. IMO, it paralyzed the Bills and kept them from pulling the trigger to draft a QB for years waiting for Mr "Can't Miss", and finally resulted in them pulling the trigger on Mr "Most likely to Miss" in a poor QB draft. 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I liked Rosen more than I like Murray. Murray would have been my QB4 in the last class. With how he measured I would generally have no qualms taking Murray in the top 10. I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year to do so though. I wouldn't either, but I think Rosen may be flotsam in the usual churn when a coach and/or FO turn over. The previous coaches' choices are not the new coach's style. That said, people are exaggerating Rosen's issues. I'm not saying he looked good, but he didn't look Blaine Gabbert/Brandon Weedon "this guy just can't play" bad, either. He was able to stand in, make some reads, and make some good throws. Given an OL and a team that will try to develop him he might become a guy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 18 hours ago, prissythecat said: Using the number one pick on a guy who stands 5’8” and wants to lay QB? Makes a lot of sense coming from Arizona He measured 5’10 1/8” at th conbine. Wilson is 5’11”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. And in fact, it's highly debilitating for a team to focus too much on the "bust" probability of a 1st round pick. Accept that it's high and move forward. IMO, it paralyzed the Bills and kept them from pulling the trigger to draft a QB for years waiting for Mr "Can't Miss", and finally resulted in them pulling the trigger on Mr "Most likely to Miss" in a poor QB draft. I wouldn't either, but I think Rosen may be flotsam in the usual churn when a coach and/or FO turn over. The previous coaches' choices are not the new coach's style. That said, people are exaggerating Rosen's issues. I'm not saying he looked good, but he didn't look Blaine Gabbert/Brandon Weedon "this guy just can't play" bad, either. He was able to stand in, make some reads, and make some good throws. Given an OL and a team that will try to develop him he might become a guy. I kind of agree but they said publicly that they were looking for a guy to mesh with Josh Rosen. If they did that and hired Kliff on that basis and then are gonna go a totally different route it looks like a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I kind of agree but they said publicly that they were looking for a guy to mesh with Josh Rosen. If they did that and hired Kliff on that basis and then are gonna go a totally different route it looks like a mess. It would indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuklz2594 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 listening to espn radio. there was a discussion about cards drafting murray and trading rosen to pats. he would sit behind brady for a who knows how long. does this make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 People listen to espn? No offense but I’d not believe anything they say tbh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 This thread doesn’t. Especially since it’s being discussed in another thread.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, nuklz2594 said: listening to espn radio. there was a discussion about cards drafting murray and trading rosen to pats. he would sit behind brady for a who knows how long. does this make sense? A lot of people were getting their panties in a bunch about the possibility of the Pats trading up in front of us for Rosen, or Mason Rudolph of all people. Then Rosen went ten and Rudolph got drafting in the third round. I could see Rosen to the Pats, but I do think Rosen to the Giants makes a ton of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Frankish Reich Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 75 Josh Allen BUF QB 169 320 52.8 26.7 2,074 6.5 172.8 10 12 89 27.8 75T 30 5 28 67.9 76 Josh Rosen ARI QB 217 393 55.2 28.1 2,278 5.8 162.7 11 14 112 28.5 75T 23 4 45 66.7 Look, I like Allen better than Rosen, and I'm glad we got what sorta looks like the better Josh. But maybe we're getting carried away here, suggesting one is Mr. Franchise and the other is Mr. Bust. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: I was responding to the person who said if we had the #1 pick they would comsider Murray. That was me. Taking Murry over Mayfield is not an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That was me. Taking Murry over Mayfield is not an option. He needs to learn to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 36 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said: 75 Josh Allen BUF QB 169 320 52.8 26.7 2,074 6.5 172.8 10 12 89 27.8 75T 30 5 28 67.9 76 Josh Rosen ARI QB 217 393 55.2 28.1 2,278 5.8 162.7 11 14 112 28.5 75T 23 4 45 66.7 Look, I like Allen better than Rosen, and I'm glad we got what sorta looks like the better Josh. But maybe we're getting carried away here, suggesting one is Mr. Franchise and the other is Mr. Bust. Absolutely true. Like any rookie QB, Rosen should not be written off after one season, especially with a dumpster fire organization like AZ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 24 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: That was me. Taking Murry over Mayfield is not an option. 3 minutes ago, Doc said: He needs to learn to read. What Im saying is that as long as Josh Allen is my QB Im not wasting to much time looking at QBs and if I spend anytime doing so it is to talk someone into trading up for my pick. I woulding even consider drafting a QB. I guess I should worded my post like I was explaining it to children. I take it for granted that a lot of posters reading comprehension exceeds that of a third grader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: What Im saying is that as long as Josh Allen is my QB Im not wasting to much time looking at QBs and if I spend anytime doing so it is to talk someone into trading up for my pick. I woulding even consider drafting a QB. I guess I should worded my post like I was explaining it to children. I take it for granted that a lot of posters reading comprehension exceeds that of a third grader. Well that’s silly. Josh Allen had some bright spots and I like him, but he hasn’t had a Pro Bowl alternate caliber season, let alone a really good one. I hope he’s the guy, but I don’t think anyone should be convinced he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Well that’s silly. Josh Allen had some bright spots and I like him, but he hasn’t had a Pro Bowl alternate caliber season, let alone a really good one. I hope he’s the guy, but I don’t think anyone should be convinced he is. Oh, your one of those guys huh. Lets draft first round QBs and never put anything around them. Murry is overrated and overhyped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Oh, your one of those guys huh. Lets draft first round QBs and never put anything around them. Murry is overrated and overhyped. If Josh Allen fails as a QB because of a single first round pick in 2019, I'd argue he was never going to succeed anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: If Josh Allen fails as a QB because of a single first round pick in 2019, I'd argue he was never going to succeed anyway. Have you looked at our Oline and WR core lately. How about our aging RBs. Our depth at DT at the moment. Heck our depthe at just about every position other than QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: What Im saying is that as long as Josh Allen is my QB Im not wasting to much time looking at QBs and if I spend anytime doing so it is to talk someone into trading up for my pick. I woulding even consider drafting a QB. I guess I should worded my post like I was explaining it to children. I take it for granted that a lot of posters reading comprehension exceeds that of a third grader. Try working on simpler things like punctuation, spelling, and grammar first. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Doc said: Try working on simpler things like punctuation, spelling, and grammar first. Its an internet blog. Thats not really that important. On certain things I worry about that. So I guess me and 90% of all posters online need to go to college right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 47 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Its an internet blog. Thats not really that important. On certain things I worry about that. So I guess me and 90% of all posters online need to go to college right. Or pass the 3rd grade. ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Doc said: Or pass the 3rd grade. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 2 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said: 75 Josh Allen BUF QB 169 320 52.8 26.7 2,074 6.5 172.8 10 12 89 27.8 75T 30 5 28 67.9 76 Josh Rosen ARI QB 217 393 55.2 28.1 2,278 5.8 162.7 11 14 112 28.5 75T 23 4 45 66.7 Look, I like Allen better than Rosen, and I'm glad we got what sorta looks like the better Josh. But maybe we're getting carried away here, suggesting one is Mr. Franchise and the other is Mr. Bust. Exactly. As passers they were very similar in 2018. The two things in Allen's favour are his legs and the fact that he definitely showed a more smooth improvement arc. Rosen's performances remained up and down throughout but then you have to consider the mess in Arizona as a contributory factor. If Arizona trades him away I still think they will regret it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Have you looked at our Oline and WR core lately. How about our aging RBs. Our depth at DT at the moment. Heck our depthe at just about every position other than QB. You planned on filling OL, WR, RB, DT, and every other position with one pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: You planned on filling OL, WR, RB, DT, and every other position with one pick? Nope just BPA and that isnt a QB this year. The only QB in my opinion that is worthy of a top 10 pick is Lock And whether you agree or not Allen is a better prospect than any of these QBs. Its bad enough when teams reach when they need a QB but to reach when you dont is pretty foolish. Edited March 3, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 I don’t think I’ve ever seen a guy make so much money because he’s a couple inches taller than people thought he was. The only reason he didn’t do any other drills is because it is hard to move around with 2 inches of collagen injected into the bottom of your feet. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 3, 2019 Share Posted March 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: I don’t think I’ve ever seen a guy make so much money because he’s a couple inches taller than people thought he was. The only reason he didn’t do any other drills is because it is hard to move around with 2 inches of collagen injected into the bottom of your feet. ? No, it's because he added 15# to weigh-in higher than he played at in college. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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