BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Awesome news for us! According to ESPN the Broncos only have $18.3 million in cap space remaining with Paradis as a FA. Says they can cut Sanders for $10 million, but what receivers will that leave Flacco? Unless Elway already knows he can't keep MP. Great news all around for us. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25988157/grading-joe-flacco-trade-ravens-broncos-how-did-denver-get-here In other salary cap news.............when are the Saints going to have to pay for being in "salary cap hell" for the past decade? Oh yeah........never..........because salary cap excuses are mostly for teams that are actually just trying to make excuses for why they aren't going to win this year. The salary cap is kinda' like a zero% credit card. The Broncos can just push cap debt into next year or the following and eventually.......like the Saints.........they will hope to hit a couple decent drafts where they end up getting lot's of contributions from young players and UDFA's and cycle out some of the old guys and *poof* they never have to pay any interest on that credit card. They may not get to the level of the Saints but I suspect they will never be engulfed with salary cap issues............we tend to forget that it used to be fairly common for a bunch of teams to be $30M over the cap going into the offseason.........teams don't often get that far out of line anymore.......to the point where now we think of teams that are $30M over as being too close to the cap for comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPbillsfan Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 30 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Awesome news for us! According to ESPN the Broncos only have $18.3 million in cap space remaining with Paradis as a FA. Says they can cut Sanders for $10 million, but what receivers will that leave Flacco? Unless Elway already knows he can't keep MP. Great news all around for us. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25988157/grading-joe-flacco-trade-ravens-broncos-how-did-denver-get-here Exactly what I was thinking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, dezertbill said: Awesome news for us! According to ESPN the Broncos only have $18.3 million in cap space remaining with Paradis as a FA. Says they can cut Sanders for $10 million, but what receivers will that leave Flacco? Unless Elway already knows he can't keep MP. Great news all around for us. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25988157/grading-joe-flacco-trade-ravens-broncos-how-did-denver-get-here I guess the possible Free Agents can be looked at as a positive. But it's definitely a negative for anyone hoping for a trade-down, or for more non-QB talent to drop in the draft. The QB needy teams now stand as: #6 - New York Giants #7 - Jacksonville Jaguars #13 - Miami Dolphins #15 - Washington Redskins Out best bet was for either the Dolphins or Redskins to make a move to get ahead of Denver (drafting at #10). It's still possible that Washington tries to move ahead of Miami. But now they have other teams like Denver, Cincinnati and Green Bay to negotiate with, which drives down the price we can ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) So which side of this trade is a worse decision: 1. Elway's desperation to find a QB or 2. Baltimore's belief in Jackson as a long term solution at QB Edited February 13, 2019 by DrDawkinstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: In other salary cap news.............when are the Saints going to have to pay for being in "salary cap hell" for the past decade? Oh yeah........never..........because salary cap excuses are mostly for teams that are actually just trying to make excuses for why they aren't going to win this year. The salary cap is kinda' like a zero% credit card. The Broncos can just push cap debt into next year or the following and eventually.......like the Saints.........they will hope to hit a couple decent drafts where they end up getting lot's of contributions from young players and UDFA's and cycle out some of the old guys and *poof* they never have to pay any interest on that credit card. They may not get to the level of the Saints but I suspect they will never be engulfed with salary cap issues............we tend to forget that it used to be fairly common for a bunch of teams to be $30M over the cap going into the offseason.........teams don't often get that far out of line anymore.......to the point where now we think of teams that are $30M over as being too close to the cap for comfort. The Saints successfully maneuvered out of "cap hell" through excellent drafting. In fact, you may not find a better drafting team over the past few years. Teams with salary cap problems have trouble re-signing talent, adding free agents and may be forced to cut players under contract. The Saints have been forced to do this. You just don't notice the players they are losing, because they are easily replacing them with draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, mjt328 said: The Saints successfully maneuvered out of "cap hell" through excellent drafting. In fact, you may not find a better drafting team over the past few years. Teams with salary cap problems have trouble re-signing talent, adding free agents and may be forced to cut players under contract. The Saints have been forced to do this. You just don't notice the players they are losing, because they are easily replacing them with draft picks. Im not trying to disparage your entire point, because the Saints have drafted well at times. But man, it's tough to make that point after seeing their 2018 draft and giving up this year's 1st for... Marcus Davenport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Im seeing more "reports" that it is Flacco for a 4th Round Pick. (Probably just people echoing the same rumor, but still...) If that is true, how good does it make Beane and trading Tyrod for the first pick in the 3rd Round look? Edited February 13, 2019 by DrDawkinstein 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This is so Elway. He has no clue how to draft and develop a QB. He is hoping for Manning 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I guess the Ravens are all in on Jackson. In my opinion Jackson will struggle and ultimately fail. Why? Because he is not a passer, he is a runner. Defenses are going find ways to contain him in the pocket and force him to be a QB, like they always do, and he is not going function there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: He is hoping for Manning 2.0. He will be lucky to get the Eli version 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He will be lucky to get the Eli version Poor John Elway...could’ve drafted Allen or Rosen, but he fell in love with Case Keenum. ??? Edited February 13, 2019 by JaCrispy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 50 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Im not trying to disparage your entire point, because the Saints have drafted well at times. But man, it's tough to make that point after seeing their 2018 draft and giving up this year's 1st for... Marcus Davenport. It's too early to judge 2018. But either way, it's really irrelevant to the point I was making. They did kill the 2017 and 2016 drafts, which has allowed them to overcome the "salary cap hell" they were faced with. For instance - They decided to trade away Brandin Cooks, knowing they would be unable to re-sign him in Free Agency the next season. But they never missed Cooks at all, thanks to them landing Michael Thomas in the second round the same year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Wo-Bah said: Does this mean Baltimore is sold on Lamar Jackson? Because I sure am not. If they are, they may be in big trouble. Is their new GM in place yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WickedGame Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I met a Broncos fan at the bar a few weeks ago and when she told me the team had no plan at quarterback I suggested this exact scenario. It makes a ton of sense. I don’t think the Broncos think of Flacco as their answer at QB. Instead, I think this tells us they don’t like the options at QB in the 2019 draft and they’re getting Flacco as a bridge to the 2020 draft. They’ll draft their rookie QB next year and he can learn under Flacco for a year. This is actually bad news for anyone hoping Buffalo would trade down. If Denver is truly out of the QB market this year, there’s less incentive for teams like Washington to trade with Buffalo to jump ahead of the Broncos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I guess the Broncos weren't happy with one "meh" QB, now they want two... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: I don't know how John Elway hasn't been "retired" yet... Saying ‘John Elway’ in Denver is roughly akin to saying ‘Randolph Scott’ in Rock Ridge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Flacco's contract made him less desirable than TT, however, so it's probably a wash... But it was before TT’s roster bonus was due! That’s bad, Dorsey. Edited February 13, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Flacco's contract made him less desirable than TT, however, so it's probably a wash... Shhhh. I’m waiting for some nitwit to rant on the “Beane is a genius” line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Get ready for 12 minutes of throws vs the Bills. Philip Gaines though ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Get ready for 12 minutes of throws vs the Bills. Philip Gaines though ... Wow, that 2nd throw is not even a good throw. He underthrew into triple coverage. Luckily the defenders never looked and didn't expect the ball to be so underthrown. That's an INT 99/100 times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 year at $18.5mil, then there is an out with no dead capa. Nothing to really see here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said: this is awesome. its blows my mind how much a playoff run nearly a decade ago clouds peoples judgment on this guy.... he's been barely average ever since. This from a Bills fan. We'd all trade Marv Levy's sack for Flacco's SB ring. Nice little bonus... He's beaten Brady/Belichick twice at Gillette in the postseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 13, 2019 Author Share Posted February 13, 2019 Does this impact the trade market for Foles? Have to think they would get more than a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said: This from a Bills fan. We'd all trade Marv Levy's sack for Flacco's SB ring. Nice little bonus... He's beaten Brady/Belichick twice at Gillette in the postseason. my bad. he's still good because of a 4 game run 7 years ago. great points here!.... what was I thinking. GEEZ. Edited February 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 ...so Jackson is THE Ravens future?...now there's a bet I'd never touch................and RG II 1/8 ready in the bullpen?....hmmmm........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, Stank_Nasty said: my bad. he's still good because of a 4 game run 7 years ago..... what was I thinking. GEEZ. When's the last time our team did that...? 7 years ago...? Might as well be 60 here. Nobody would be complaining with his record in Buffalo. Yeah, seven years ago was sooooo 18th century... talk about a short attention span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Just now, Búfalo Blanco said: When's the last time our team did that...? 7 years ago...? Might as well be 60 here. Nobody would be complaining with his record in Buffalo. Yeah, seven years ago was sooooo 18th century... talk about a short attention span. how in gods name does this have anything to do with how he's played over the last handful of years? Baltimore has moved on. soon so will the rest of the nfl. you are arguing that since a dude won a title almost a decade ago that it somehow makes him worthwhile now.... that's just really really stupid. he hasn't been good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, mjt328 said: The Saints successfully maneuvered out of "cap hell" through excellent drafting. In fact, you may not find a better drafting team over the past few years. Teams with salary cap problems have trouble re-signing talent, adding free agents and may be forced to cut players under contract. The Saints have been forced to do this. You just don't notice the players they are losing, because they are easily replacing them with draft picks. Yep.........which is what I said. And few have drafted and maneuvered personnel as well as Elway did in that rapid stretch where he converted the team with the NFL's highest scoring offense ever into the league's top defense without missing a beat. Most teams don't do as well as Elway did then or Loomis did recently with the Saints..........but those other teams still never really pay some great price for their aggressive use of the cap. Bills fans are just particularly vulnerable to the utterance of "salary cap hell" because Tom Donahue used the Bills serious cap issues as a cover to do much more damage than necessary in the name of re-sculpting the franchise into his preferred form...........and in the process set the drought period in motion by extracting the team's identity and winning culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 I would have bet money Elway had finally learned his lesson about re-tread QB’s and was going to draft one this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Well they do need to replace Chip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: how in gods name does this have anything to do with how he's played over the last handful of years? Baltimore has moved on. soon so will the rest of the nfl. you are arguing that since a dude won a title almost a decade ago that it somehow makes him worthwhile now.... that's just really really stupid. he hasn't been good. Hey, when you see the big picture it's not that hard. But, you'd have to put yourself in Elway's shoes... He hires a defensive guru in Fangio as HC (30+ years in the league, top scoring D in CHI last season), already has some top defensive playmakers and an aging, veteran team. Drafting and developing a QB now is not a good decision currently for Denver, unlike say Buffalo. Bring in a great game manager, play great, aggressive defense and an above average running game. Balance... same sort of roster framework as when they won it all in 2015. Flacco has been fine... but he's a top game manager on a historically great defensive team. Super Bowl champs win with balance... not just a QB throwing 50 TDs. But you're a "what have you done for me this milisecond" sort of dude... so relating to Denver re-creating their 2015 model must be like the 1950s for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said: Hey, when you see the big picture it's not that hard. But, you'd have to put yourself in Elway's shoes... He hires a defensive guru in Fangio as HC (30+ years in the league, top scoring D in CHI last season), already has some top defensive playmakers and an aging, veteran team. Drafting and developing a QB now is not a good decision currently for Denver, unlike say Buffalo. Bring in a great game manager, play great, aggressive defense and an above average running game. Balance... same sort of roster framework as when they won it all in 2015. Flacco has been fine... but he's a top game manager on a historically great defensive team. Super Bowl champs win with balance... not just a QB throwing 50 TDs. But you're a "what have you done for me this milisecond" sort of dude... so relating to Denver re-creating their 2015 model must be like the 1950s for you. right. me not liking one playoff berth since 2012 and a 1.4 td/int ratio over the last 3 seasons is "what have you done for me this millisecond" type of thinking. BTW that ratio is ranked 34th during that span. theres a myriad of other numbers he's been subpar at as well if you want me to list them...... but ya, because I think a below average qb that's passed his prime isn't gonna take a defense that's passed its prime to the playoffs i'm a "this millisecond" type of thinker.... get a clue, man. denvers defense hasn't been elite since that run..... but then again you are still talking about flaccos run from 7 years ago. Edited February 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: right. me not liking one playoff berth since 2012 and a 1.4 td/int ratio over the last 3 seasons is "what have you done for me this millisecond" type of thinking. BTW that ratio is ranked 34th during that span. theres a myriad of other numbers he's been subpar at as well if you want me to list them...... but ya, "this millisecond".... get a clue, man. Oh, I've got a clue... and just explained what I believe Elway's strategy is... I can trade stats with you all day... that can be skewed for any argument. The fact is, he's a former SB MVP who has beaten the Patriots dynasty twice in Foxboro in the playoffs... I believe Mark Sanchez is the only other QB who can claim that. He can win under pressure. That's the bottom line. Again, a bunch of Bills fans railing on a SB MVP QB... hilarious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Búfalo Blanco said: Oh, I've got a clue... and just explained what I believe Elway's strategy is... I can trade stats with you all day... that can be skewed for any argument. The fact is, he's a former SB MVP who has beaten the Patriots dynasty twice in Foxboro in the playoffs... I believe Mark Sanchez is the only other QB who can claim that. He can win under pressure. That's the bottom line. Again, a bunch of Bills fans railing on a SB MVP QB... hilarious... from 7 years ago..... that literally pertains to the present time 0%.... you're hilarious. who else should the broncos go get because they were good at one time a decade ago? this is fun. I like this. this might be a foreign concept to you. novel, i'm sure..... but you can realized a player was good a while ago and understand now that they aren't the same player and havnt been for quite some time.... ITS A CRAZY CONCEPT, RIGHT???!!! Edited February 13, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 ...unfortunately as long as the Bowlen family owns the Broncos ("Papa Pat" derailed by severe Alzheimers), Elway will forever walk on water no matter how many gaffes he makes...."Teflon John" ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bills2ref said: I would have bet money Elway had finally learned his lesson about re-tread QB’s and was going to draft one this season. He's not Buddy Nix-drafting a QB because he "has to". In a bad QB draft where any decent QB will be gone by the time he picks and in no mood to trade up in this class what else is he supposed to do? The smart thing is to do what Buddy should have-have a veteran start this season & wait until next year. If Elway really likes someone next year, then draft him, otherwise if Flacco works out he sticks with him, if not, major tank in 2020 for Lawrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: from 7 years ago..... that literally pertains to the present time 0%.... you're hilarious. who else should the broncos go get because they were good at one time a decade ago? this is fun. I like this. this might be a foreign concept to you. novel, i'm sure..... but you can realized a player was good a while ago and understand now that they aren't the same player and havnt been for quite some time.... ITS A CRAZY CONCEPT, RIGHT???!!! Let me ask you this... The Broncos have to pay him NO guaranteed money (assuming there's no new negotiations) and have allegedly given up only a 4th rd pick. With a thin QB draft class and a Broncos team that (as I explained) would rather win now, while they still have some great veterans... where's the risk? Free agency doesn't look so great for QB options... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 6 hours ago, FluffHead said: They reportedly love Drew Lock, I don’t think this rules them out from still taking him Yeah, not sure I understand the reactions here. Flacco is a day 1 starter while a rookie holds the clipboard and learns (like QBs used to do). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This is so Elway. He has no clue how to draft and develop a QB. This post is clueless. 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...unfortunately as long as the Bowlen family owns the Broncos ("Papa Pat" derailed by severe Alzheimers), Elway will forever walk on water no matter how many gaffes he makes...."Teflon John" ....... He has done a really good job including winning a super bowl with the broncos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said: This post is clueless. He has done a really good job including winning a super bowl with the broncos. Who has Elway brought in that would show he has any clue about evaluating QBs? Aside from Manning at the end of his career, and now Flacco, those are the best QBs he has had. I've never understood the dislike for Flacco. But apparently Vegas feels the same cause before the deal Broncos were 100:1 odds for SB, now they are 125:1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Búfalo Blanco said: Oh, I've got a clue... and just explained what I believe Elway's strategy is... I can trade stats with you all day... that can be skewed for any argument. The fact is, he's a former SB MVP who has beaten the Patriots dynasty twice in Foxboro in the playoffs... I believe Mark Sanchez is the only other QB who can claim that. He can win under pressure. That's the bottom line. Again, a bunch of Bills fans railing on a SB MVP QB... hilarious... Benny from the Bronx, i think the point is, yes Flacco had some great runs, but that was a long time ago and it doesn’t appear he’s even close to that player anymore. Joe Namath was a Super Bowl MVP QB - do you want him to trot out as the starting QB for the Bills in 2019? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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