RoyBatty is alive Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: It was really awesome when he whipped out the race card after showing the world how horrible of a QB he was. Of course, it wasn't that he sucked. It was that he's black and people simply expect more of him because of it. He's scumbag for keeping racism alive and well. Not a first-class guy. Not even coach. He's a bum and the Bills were better the day he left. interesting I am sure you will get a lot of negative feedback although i thin your comment is too strong but i recognize what you are getting at, lets be honest, too many people think only whites can be racists.. Tyrod pulling the race card was 100% wrong BUT he said it once out of frustration, overall he was a total quality man as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Your blind hatred has altered your memory here, but that's okay. It's expected. Why because he is White.? 46 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Prior to his trade he was the Best Bills QB since Jim Kelly on the field... one of the few that can claim a winning record during their stinit. In in my view the ones who chose to hate him were always the ones with their own issues. Most everyone else knew what kind of player he was and wasn’t and thanked him for holding the fort down with some occasional flashes of brilliance and a dutiful conservatism that reflected his own understanding of his limitations. He was the second best. The best would go to Drew Bledsoe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: interesting I am sure you will get a lot of negative feedback although i thin your comment is too strong but i recognize what you are getting at, lets be honest, too many people think only whites can be racists.. Tyrod pulling the race card was 100% wrong BUT he said it once out of frustration, overall he was a total quality man as far as I can tell. no it wasn't wrong, it's how he felt and there's evidence to support that claim. if you disagree, then disagree, but it was never wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Thats fair. In the end, my point is that black athletes are judged more critically because they are black. Whether TT ended up failing is beside the point, he was still judged more critically than what was deserved because of the color of his skin. And him pointing that out does not make him a race baiter. You’re actually on the wrong end of this. I would say Tyrod Taylor was thought to be better than he was by a lot of folks, for one reason or another. The national media defended him to the death. They built up this mystique. Then he goes out and throws 14 TD’s in a year, and they convinced the Browns that he was a QB good enough to be worth the first pick in the third round!!! That’s incredible. Before Tyrod went to the Browns, there was a narrative that the Bills organization was screwing him over, he had no help, etc. That narrative was smothered by week 4 2018 after Baker embarrassed Tyrod, and now everyone pretends like it didn’t happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Always a class act and will always appreciate his time here. It was time to go in a different direction, and I love Allen. But TT will always be appreciated in my book and a guy I will always root for in all his future endeavors. Edited February 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s funny, that the people that wanted EJ to win the QB battle have never come to terms that Tyrod was absolutely the best option at the time. He delivered a winning record as the Bills QB and ended the drought. He handled himself with class the entire time. Tyrod is a guy that we should remember fondly. He was a decent QB that didn’t lose games. I'm still not convinced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 17 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Go figure, a white QB was given another season to see if he could play better. The black QB? No such luck. Bortles also made it to the AFC Championship game and played well in the playoffs. Oh, and he played for the Jags. Bortles was also a 1st round pick....they are ALWAYS given more leeway (see JaMarcus Russel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, 87168 said: no it wasn't wrong, it's how he felt and there's evidence to support that claim. if you disagree, then disagree, but it was never wrong. I think he was 100% wrong to blame color on his benching, period, he sucked as A QB. He has had three places to start as a QB and couldn't hold the job, that is all the evidence I need. So yes that is how he "felt", sure he can express his "feelings", you are correct about that but i stand by if he feels he was benched because he was AA he is/was 100% wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Some fans have no idea what they are watching.(Gungy, Shady, etc) Tuhrod is gone and for the very reason I had complained about.. Gungy, Shady, etc 1 all the Tyrod fans 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, RoyBatty is alive said: I think he was 100% wrong to blame color on his benching, period, he sucked as A QB. He has had three places to start as a QB and couldn't hold the job, that is all the evidence I need. So yes that is how he "felt", sure he can express his "feelings", you are correct about that but i stand by if he feels he was benched because he was AA he is/was 100% wrong. I totally agree. If you want to blame other things for your benching, fine, I totally get that. But saying it's because of your skin color is not only excuse making, but calling your coaches and fans racist. IMO, calling someone a racist is a serious accusation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I'm not mad at him. He was benched in Buffalo because he sucked. He was benched in Cleveland because he sucked. He wasn't benched because he's black. Never, anywhere, have I said that this doesn't happen. I am talking specifically about Tyrod Taylor. He was never unfairly judged. He was given the opportunity to start for two NFL teams (THREE YEARS, here) and he failed two times. That's not a color issue. That's a "he isn't a good QB" issue. You can say that, but that doesn’t mean that’s how it felt to TT. He made the pro Bowl twice here, of course he’s going to feel slighted when benched like that. So easy for people like you on the outside to cast judgements, but you haven’t dealt with being racially profiled your entire life. To act like he has no grounds to feel that way when he was confident in his ability, a 2 time Pro Bowl QB in his only 2 years starting prior to that, is just not fair to him. It’s not up to you or anyone else to decide how he, with all his life experiences and self confidence in his abilities, should feel when benched. Not to mention at the time he was benched we were the 6th seed in the playoffs. Edited February 1, 2019 by Alphadawg7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Quote He made the pro Bowl twice here LOL As an alternate to an alternate etc etc When he makes a FIRST ballot Pro Bowl let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 22 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Why because he is White.? He was the second best. The best would go to Drew Bledsoe. Fair. Bledsoe had way more arm talent. He seemed to lack heart though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Tyrod Taylor thread in 2019? ... ... ... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Gugny said: It was really awesome when he whipped out the race card after showing the world how horrible of a QB he was. Of course, it wasn't that he sucked. It was that he's black and people simply expect more of him because of it. He's scumbag for keeping racism alive and well. Not a first-class guy. Not even coach. He's a bum and the Bills were better the day he left. Funny how his race comment made you this upset. Usually that only happens to racist people. Most people understand what black people in this country endure. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, MJS said: Probably because he was mad that he got benched and believed that he deserved to play? Oh, and because a reporter specifically asked him the loaded question. I mean he saw Peterman play. He was right to not be benched Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I'm still trying to figure out where he called someone, something, some organization or some organism racist? Maybe I read the quote wrong, anyways who gives a ****. Allen is better anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: I totally agree. If you want to blame other things for your benching, fine, I totally get that. But saying it's because of your skin color is not only excuse making, but calling your coaches and fans racist. IMO, calling someone a racist is a serious accusation. What was the question that he answered? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloMatt Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 "Imagine"- John Lennon 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: LOL As an alternate to an alternate etc etc When he makes a FIRST ballot Pro Bowl let me know Exactly... until then one can really only claim he was a top 10 or 12 QBs those years. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 50 minutes ago, 87168 said: but Peterman was/is, since he was retained and TT was released...? haha! people will use any excuse to justify their own bigotry and cognitive dissonance. it's amazing how people get more upset about someone calling out racism or bias, than the actual act itself. absolutely breathtaking. ...but then again I wouldn't expect much else from you. you have to understand whom you're speaking to. do you really think this individual has faced any racism or knows anyone who has? it doesn't resonate. to most people in this country the term is a fable. as if the civil war, and jim crow era never took place. he says: "I'm not mad at him" - but repeatedly refers to him as a scumbag. there's malice and hatred there. it really isn't worth it @Clyde Smith. just another confused and angry elder. the fact that this topic took the turn it did...is really sad. Tyrod was traded, not released. Comparing him and Peterman makes no sense. Tyrod was a veteran making decent money and Peterman was a rookie making peanuts. There is no logical way to compare the two. Are you arguing that Tyrod did not get benched because of poor play? Here and in Cleveland? If so, that is silly. Clearly there are racism issues in the world, and probably in the NFL too. But Tyrod was benched by a white coach and then a black coach. He is just not good enough to be a consistent starter in this league. Great bridge QB, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Funny how his race comment made you this upset. Usually that only happens to racist people. Most people understand what black people in this country endure. Like those people who start out a comment with “I not racist but.....” then continue to say something that’s racist AF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, dneveu said: I mean he saw Peterman play. He was right to not be benched He was an unknown then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Exactly... until then one can really only claim he was a top 10 or 12 QBs those years. ? especially when anyone under the top 8 are super MEH and anyone below the top 20 sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 58 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Yeah? How many starting QBs get traded the year after they make the playoffs? Tebow did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said: Tebow did If my old man brain recalls correctly Trent Dilfer someone remind me .... How did Peyton Manning leave the Colts? Edited February 1, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, MJS said: Tyrod was traded, not released. Comparing him and Peterman makes no sense. Tyrod was a veteran making decent money and Peterman was a rookie making peanuts. There is no logical way to compare the two. Are you arguing that Tyrod did not get benched because of poor play? Here and in Cleveland? If so, that is silly. Clearly there are racism issues in the world, and probably in the NFL too. But Tyrod was benched by a white coach and then a black coach. He is just not good enough to be a consistent starter in this league. Great bridge QB, though. TT was benched in Cleveland for a QB that was drafted FIRST OVERALL, who should have been named starter in the first place. TT was benched in Buffalo, for a FIFTH rounder, who's only real skill set seemed to be trick shots performed on YouTube, who proceeded to throw 5 picks in their debut. Then after making the playoffs (that same year), the organization trades him, and names the same QB that showed zero promise of the field of play, as starter, even over JA. How does the comparison not make sense? they were both QBs on the same team, neither a rookie, with the same offensive talent. Context matters. I'm not crusading that TT was the answer at QB, but you can't disagree that the FO left everyone scratching their heads. and to call him scumbag because he spoke about a topic that some (most) are offended by because it doesn't affect them....nah. Edited February 1, 2019 by 87168 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Bortles also made it to the AFC Championship game and played well in the playoffs. Oh, and he played for the Jags. Bortles was also a 1st round pick....they are ALWAYS given more leeway (see JaMarcus Russel). So you don't think there is a wealth of statistical evidence that black athletes and people generally are not judge more harshly than their white counterparts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: Tebow did The sad reality is as much as everybody tools on him (not just here) he still has more playoff wins then us over the last 20 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: So you don't think there is a wealth of statistical evidence that black athletes and people generally are not judge more harshly than their white counterparts? nope. sadly, for some this will always be the case unless the person drastically widens their scope of view, or circle of friends. Edited February 1, 2019 by 87168 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: So you don't think there is a wealth of statistical evidence that black athletes and people generally are not judge more harshly than their white counterparts? What he/she thinks really isnt relevant, if there is this statistical evidence post some for all of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What he/she thinks really isnt relevant, if there is this statistical evidence post some for all of us. I did above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, 87168 said: TT was benched in Cleveland for a QB that was drafted FIRST OVERALL, who should have been named starter in the first place. TT was benched in Buffalo, for a FIFTH rounder, who's only real skill set seemed to be trick shots performed on YouTube, who proceeded to throw 5 picks in their debut. Then after making the playoffs (that same year), the organization trades him, and names the same QB that showed zero promise of the field of play, as starter, even over JA. Context matters. I'm not crusading that TT was the answer at QB, but you can't disagree that the FO left everyone scratching their heads. and to call him scumbag because he spoke about a topic that some (most) are offended by because it doesn't affect them....nah. I defended Tyrod and his comments, by the way. Draft status doesn't matter. Tyrod was not performing well, so they put in the young gun to see how he would do. Many Bills fans understood and agreed with the move to bench him. Many were excited by the prospect of Peterman starting, and many assumed that he would do well because he got the ball out quickly, something Tyrod was horrible at. You can use hindsight all you want, but that was the dynamic at the time. Nobody knew that Peterman would throw 5 INT's. Many people assumed that he was a good fit for that week because he got the ball out. When you know Tyrod is not the answer, you don't keep him on the roster, especially since his cap hit was increasing significantly. Moving him for a 3rd rounder was a great move. As far as Peterman starting the next season, that wasn't the plan. The plan was for McCarron to start. When Peterman out performed McCarron in the preseason (which he absolutely did), Peterman got the start. Peterman played well in the preseason and showed the best grasp of the scheme and offense as a whole throughout the off season. In hindsight, yes it would have been nice to not have Peterman start, but most thought that it was fine to have him start for a couple games until Allen was ready. I don't believe that these decisions, good or bad, were racially motivated. All of them have logical reasoning behind them. The decisions can easily be defended (until you bring in hindsight). Tyrod was maddening to watch. He held on to the ball far too long and refused to throw the ball to open receivers. His running ability did not nearly make up for the lack of passing production. The fact that he didn't last more than a few games starting for the Browns should tell everyone that he is not a legitimate starter in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 The crap he kept his mouth shut about while here... wish him well 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: I defended Tyrod and his comments, by the way. Draft status doesn't matter. Tyrod was not performing well, so they put in the young gun to see how he would do. Many Bills fans understood and agreed with the move to bench him. Many were excited by the prospect of Peterman starting, and many assumed that he would do well because he got the ball out quickly, something Tyrod was horrible at. You can use hindsight all you want, but that was the dynamic at the time. Nobody knew that Peterman would throw 5 INT's. Many people assumed that he was a good fit for that week because he got the ball out. When you know Tyrod is not the answer, you don't keep him on the roster, especially since his cap hit was increasing significantly. Moving him for a 3rd rounder was a great move. As far as Peterman starting the next season, that wasn't the plan. The plan was for McCarron to start. When Peterman out performed McCarron in the preseason (which he absolutely did), Peterman got the start. Peterman played well in the preseason and showed the best grasp of the scheme and offense as a whole throughout the off season. In hindsight, yes it would have been nice to not have Peterman start, but most thought that it was fine to have him start for a couple games until Allen was ready. I don't believe that these decisions, good or bad, were racially motivated. All of them have logical reasoning behind them. The decisions can easily be defended (until you bring in hindsight). Tyrod was maddening to watch. He held on to the ball far too long and refused to throw the ball to open receivers. His running ability did not nearly make up for the lack of passing production. The fact that he didn't last more than a few games starting for the Browns should tell everyone that he is not a legitimate starter in the league. Its not about racial motivation but rather racial bias. It is about what happens at the unconscious level. To bring this all full circle, that is what TT was alluding to in the first place, the fact that black athletes are judged more harshly. P.S. dont take this as an attack. I also don't think they were racially motivated choices, and I actually think they were the right choices. But that doesn't mean there isn't a possibility that as a fan base we were too hard on him due to unconscious bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) Tyrod was a decent enough QB for a year or two. Seems like a decent guy. I wish him success as a career backup somewhere. You need a good backup. Also, I don't blame him for having a chip on his shoulder about the way the Bills jerked him around. Edited February 1, 2019 by TheFunPolice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: It’s funny, that the people that wanted EJ to win the QB battle have never come to terms that Tyrod was absolutely the best option at the time. He delivered a winning record as the Bills QB and ended the drought. He handled himself with class the entire time. Tyrod is a guy that we should remember fondly. He was a decent QB that didn’t lose games. Yep. Nothing but love for TT here, with special thanks for helping to end the drought. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 hours ago, wppete said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2019/02/01/tyrod-taylor-has-nothing-but-love-for-buffalo-bills/ Tyrod was a class act here in Buffalo. Finally got us to the playoffs and seemed like an all around good guy. We now have our franchise QB in josh Allen. .:... maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 I mean, if your employer tells you that you're basicalky out tgr door, but then they couldn't find a replacement for you, but if you take a pay cut you can stay... Then they keep jerking you around and eventually fire you. You would be annoyed too. Tyrods comments came from a place of emotion and frustration do I give him a pass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: Its not about racial motivation but rather racial bias. It is about what happens at the unconscious level. To bring this all full circle, that is what TT was alluding to in the first place, the fact that black athletes are judged more harshly. P.S. dont take this as an attack. I also don't think they were racially motivated choices, and I actually think they were the right choices. But that doesn't mean there isn't a possibility that as a fan base we were too hard on him due to unconscious bias. Fans were divided on Tyrod. Just as they were divided on EJ, on Trent Edwards, on JP Losman, etc. On my part, I defended Tyrod until the second half of his last season as a starter. I came to the realization by that point that he simply didn't have what it takes to be a consistently good QB. A lot of fans were in the same boat. My bias is a Bills bias, and I aknowledge that. I trust and support the moves the team makes. I trusted them when they made Tyrod the starter and defended him as such. Heck, I even tricked myself that Rex was a good hire, even though deep down I hated the hire. I think there is less racism than those who claim racism, and more racism than those who claim there is none. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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