4_kidd_4 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Been discussing this with some friends via group message the last few days, thought I’d throw it out to the board for discussion, as the ‘answer’ seems to be highly debatable. In this 15+ year era of Patriots dominance over the AFC East, who has been Brady’s toughest match at opposing QB within the division? Who has been Belichick’s toughest match at HC within the division? Yes, we are all tired of their story, but it’s tough to say that any of the other three AFC East teams have really given them a real go when it comes to challenging their longevity. Drew Bledsoe had a hot season here, and Fitz threw for a bunch against the Pats a few times. Could Brady’s “best” AFCE competition really be Jay Fiedler? It’s an even tougher Q at HC. Certainly no one that’s come through Buffalo since 2001. What says youse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Well, according to sexy Rexy, he always gave Tommy and Hoodie the most problems. So that must be a scientific fact! Edited January 29, 2019 by NoHuddleKelly12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris66 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Chad Pennington.Pats lost 2 div titles to him.02 w/ jets. 08 w/ dolphins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 Bill Simmons always whines about the Pats having to visit Miami, as if it's a curse on Brady 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 It's depressing. You can even go outside the AFC East and not really find any team. Denver is closest. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Well, according to sexy Rexy, he always gave Tommy and Hoodie the most problems. So that must be a scientific fact! eh, best team vs Patriots WAS the 2010 Jets. Rex came out swinging with that defense and.. Thomas Jones?? But it was mostly a wet fart. AFCE non Patriot MVP: Darrelle Revis, if you disqualify him for being a Patriot: Cameron Wake Best quarterback: Chad Pennington fo sho. Followed by Fitz, then Tyrod, then Tannehill, then Sanchez. Best HC: Tony Sparano.. whoever came up with the WildCat.. followed by Rex. Best defense: 2010 Jets. Best Offense: Chan Gailey Bills Best RB: Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown, Thomas Jones, LeSean McCoy, FreDex Best WR: Stevie Johnson, Chris Chambers, Brandon Marshall, Jarvis Landry, TO Honorable mentions: Cameron Wake, Kyle Williams, Aaron Schobel, Jason Taylor, Bart Scott, David Harris Good job AFCE. Edited January 29, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 It’s a bummer, but our friendly Pats guest is actually right this time - QB is Pennington. I really liked Chad - huge heart - but c’mon. I think Allen and Darnold will be miles better. Things are finally turning - here’s hoping the Pats search for decades after Brady, like we had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted January 29, 2019 Share Posted January 29, 2019 (edited) Tom Brady era all AFCE team (this'll be fun.. would be like a 12-4 team today between 3 teams over 20 years): HC: Tony Sparano OC: Chan Gailey DC: Todd Bowles QB: Chad Pennington, backup: Brett Favre!!! RB: Ricky Williams, LeSean McCoy WR: Jarvis Landry, Stevie Johnson, Chris Chambers TE: Dustin Keller OT: Jason Peters, D'Brickashaw Ferguson OG: Ritchie Incognito, Alan Faneca C; Nick Mangold DE: Jason Taylor, Cameron Wake DT: Kyle Williams, Pat Williams LB: Zachary Taylor, David Harris, Takeo Spikes CB: Darrelle Revis, Nate Clements SS: LaRon Landry FS: Jamal Adams?? Basically the AFE gave Brady no QBs and no HCs vs the GOAT HC and QB , everybody had great RBs, Jets boasted a monster OL, Dolphins a monster DL and signed FA LBs like crazy Bills had the DBs, skill positions, and mostly never re-signed ANYBODY long enough to merit the 20 year team cut. And this is a pretty good team! Take these players in their prime and they probably go between 14-2 and 11-5 before losing to Brady in the divisional round after Favre relieves Pennington in a shootout against Brady. Edited January 29, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: Been discussing this with some friends via group message the last few days, thought I’d throw it out to the board for discussion, as the ‘answer’ seems to be highly debatable. In this 15+ year era of Patriots dominance over the AFC East, who has been Brady’s toughest match at opposing QB within the division? Who has been Belichick’s toughest match at HC within the division? Yes, we are all tired of their story, but it’s tough to say that any of the other three AFC East teams have really given them a real go when it comes to challenging their longevity. Drew Bledsoe had a hot season here, and Fitz threw for a bunch against the Pats a few times. Could Brady’s “best” AFCE competition really be Jay Fiedler? It’s an even tougher Q at HC. Certainly no one that’s come through Buffalo since 2001. What says youse? I made this point in another thread. They pretty much have 6 fairly guaranteed wins/year before the season starts. The graphic above (great graphic) is Belichick vs. the NFL. Here is Brady vs. the NFL: 29-3 vs. BUF 26-8 vs. NYJ 22-10 vs. MIA That's a 79% winning percentage. I believe Brady is the GOAT. But he was blessed with a great owner, head coach and with being in an absolutely pathetic division. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 EJ Manuel left the field with a lead against the Pats. So that’s my vote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: It's depressing. You can even go outside the AFC East and not really find any team. Denver is closest. How have the bills (34) played the patriots more than the dolphins (33)? nevermind- update date was during a season. Edited January 30, 2019 by whatdrought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 5 hours ago, Chris66 said: Chad Pennington.Pats lost 2 div titles to him.02 w/ jets. 08 w/ dolphins Closest thing to a franchise QB in the division other than Tommy boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 **** the patriots ... that is all 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Maiden Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I was surprised about the info above...I always thought Baltimore was one of the very few teams giving Brady a run for his money...he's 8-3 vs the Ravens ?.....Thank God for Denver ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: It's depressing. You can even go outside the AFC East and not really find any team. Denver is closest. That's the most horrible and upsetting thing I've ever looked at. It's no wonder why Bills fans are the number 1 haters of the Patriots. Sweet fanciful Moses, that's awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Coach/QB combo in the division that has had the most success against Brady/Belicheck had probably been Ryan/Sanchez during the two year period where they went to the championship game. I say them mostly because they beat NE in a playoff game in a season where NE looked like the best team in the league by a mile over 2nd best. Other than that, Tannehill and the Dolphins have had their number recently when they travel to Miami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 13 hours ago, Gugny said: I made this point in another thread. They pretty much have 6 fairly guaranteed wins/year before the season starts. The graphic above (great graphic) is Belichick vs. the NFL. Here is Brady vs. the NFL: 29-3 vs. BUF 26-8 vs. NYJ 22-10 vs. MIA That's a 79% winning percentage. I believe Brady is the GOAT. But he was blessed with a great owner, head coach and with being in an absolutely pathetic division. just wish Tom had shown this potential during his decent 2 years of play at Michigan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, row_33 said: just wish Tom had shown this potential during his decent 2 years of play at Michigan.... Other than this?: "In the two seasons that Brady started at Michigan, he posted a 20–5 record, including wins at the Citrus Bowl (1999) and the Orange Bowl (2000). Brady finished his career ranking third in Michigan history with 710 attempts and 442 completions, fourth with 5,351 yards and 62.3 completion percentage, and fifth with 35 touchdown passes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Other than this?: "In the two seasons that Brady started at Michigan, he posted a 20–5 record, including wins at the Citrus Bowl (1999) and the Orange Bowl (2000). Brady finished his career ranking third in Michigan history with 710 attempts and 442 completions, fourth with 5,351 yards and 62.3 completion percentage, and fifth with 35 touchdown passes." it was complicated.... Griese led the team to an undefeated share of the title in 1997 then Tom was a decent dropback NFL-style QB who had waited two years in apprenticeship his two years as starter were whipsawed by the demand that local hero Drew Henson get to play whenever Tom had a bad series the stats and snaps tallied do not remotely represent the hassle put on Tom and the amount of time Drew was actually sent in to play. Edited January 30, 2019 by row_33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 hours ago, Gugny said: I made this point in another thread. They pretty much have 6 fairly guaranteed wins/year before the season starts. The graphic above (great graphic) is Belichick vs. the NFL. Here is Brady vs. the NFL: 29-3 vs. BUF 26-8 vs. NYJ 22-10 vs. MIA That's a 79% winning percentage. I believe Brady is the GOAT. But he was blessed with a great owner, head coach and with being in an absolutely pathetic division. Well that settles it, he can barely beat the Cardinals or the Giants, so someone get on the horn to the commish's offices and make the 2020 schedule feature the first ever home and home outside the division for him against Rosen and Eli! Problem solved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said: Well that settles it, he can barely beat the Cardinals or the Giants, so someone get on the horn to the commish's offices and make the 2020 schedule feature the first ever home and home outside the division for him against Rosen and Eli! Problem solved NHK, if I am reading that chart correctly, and I believe I am, organizationally we have work to do primarily in the category of "Games Vs Brady". Given his future playing plans .500 is achievable, but no doubt, we have to get moving. EDIT: If we played him three times a year, including playoffs, and won every game we would achieve a winning record against him by the end of the 2027 season. ...so suck on that, Tom. EDIT 2: "30-29 or Die!" is now a thing. Edited January 30, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Miami. His vag sweats too much and his legs stick together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 15 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: NHK, if I am reading that chart correctly, and I believe I am, organizationally we have work to do primarily in the category of "Games Vs Brady". Given his future playing plans .500 is achievable, but no doubt, we have to get moving. EDIT: If we played him three times a year, including playoffs, and won every game we would achieve a winning record against him by the end of the 2027 season. ...so suck on that, Tom. EDIT 2: "30-29 or Die!" is now a thing. those 3 wins off Brady won't stand up to much scrutiny 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
416BillsFan Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Toughest QB Matchup: Insert Miami QB playing at Sunlife Stadium here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 This thread is sad. I’m sad that I started it. Chad friggin Pennington..... ....mumblegrumblefrizzlefrazzle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 2 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: NHK, if I am reading that chart correctly, and I believe I am, organizationally we have work to do primarily in the category of "Games Vs Brady". Given his future playing plans .500 is achievable, but no doubt, we have to get moving. EDIT: If we played him three times a year, including playoffs, and won every game we would achieve a winning record against him by the end of the 2027 season. ...so suck on that, Tom. EDIT 2: "30-29 or Die!" is now a thing. Donuts, I will spring for a baker’s dozen if we are talking about a winning record against TB12 entering 2028 camp...hey, those years will pass by either way quickly, so let’s hit on the draft, FA, and Allen’s development of a cybertronic elbow, shall we? In all seriousness, why not us? What would make the Jets or Phins such better options to take the division away from NE once and for all? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 This is your reminder... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 I heard Brady Quinn discussing this on the NFL Channel yesterday. In a nutshell, his theory is that every HC that comes into the AFC East is tasked with dethroning the Patriots, when they cant, they get fired and the coaching carousel and QB carousel continues. Meanwhile the Patriots are stable and steady and only get better with consistency at HC, QB, GM, etc. It sounds like the right logic to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 19 hours ago, Gugny said: I made this point in another thread. They pretty much have 6 fairly guaranteed wins/year before the season starts. The graphic above (great graphic) is Belichick vs. the NFL. Here is Brady vs. the NFL: 29-3 vs. BUF 26-8 vs. NYJ 22-10 vs. MIA That's a 79% winning percentage. I believe Brady is the GOAT. But he was blessed with a great owner, head coach and with being in an absolutely pathetic division. Brady's record is great outside the division too. The division has nothing to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 19 hours ago, Gugny said: I made this point in another thread. They pretty much have 6 fairly guaranteed wins/year before the season starts. The graphic above (great graphic) is Belichick vs. the NFL. Here is Brady vs. the NFL: 29-3 vs. BUF 26-8 vs. NYJ 22-10 vs. MIA That's a 79% winning percentage. I believe Brady is the GOAT. But he was blessed with a great owner, head coach and with being in an absolutely pathetic division. 29 and 3 pretty much sums it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJS said: Brady's record is great outside the division too. The division has nothing to do with it. The division has a lot to do with them going to the playoffs every year. Almost everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, Gugny said: The division has a lot to do with them going to the playoffs every year. Almost everything. Almost nothing, actually. Put then in any division and they'd do the exact same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 Just now, MJS said: Almost nothing, actually. Put then in any division and they'd do the exact same thing. You're being silly. They wouldn't be spotted six divisional wins in any other division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: You're being silly. They wouldn't be spotted six divisional wins in any other division. They aren't spotted 6 divisional wins in the AFC East. The Dolphins often beat them once. At least one of their very few losses each year comes to an divisional opponent. Show me any shred of evidence that they would have had trouble in ANY other AFC division. Even if you put them with the Broncos or the Steelers, at worst they split with them every year and then beat up on the other three teams in the division. I could see your point if there was a bunch of teams outside the division with a respectable record against the Pats, but there aren't. The pats beat everyone regardless of the division, QB, etc. They lose a few random games each year (usually one or two within the division) and that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 How to beat the Patriots? Get your whole organization, ownership, front office, head coach & assistant coaches, franchise qb and players up to par with them. Where has Buffalo been in those departments since 2000? Especially from ownership to qb, if any one of those areas are dysfunctional/unstable, the results will always be the same, 29-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, RevWarRifleman said: How to beat the Patriots? Get your whole organization, ownership, front office, head coach & assistant coaches, franchise qb and players up to par with them. Where has Buffalo been in those departments since 2000? Especially from ownership to qb, if any one of those areas are dysfunctional/unstable, the results will always be the same, 29-3. just hope the bully kicking sand in your face every day gets tired of it or retires or dies it has to happen by 2025, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/30/2019 at 9:31 AM, row_33 said: it was complicated.... Griese led the team to an undefeated share of the title in 1997 then Tom was a decent dropback NFL-style QB who had waited two years in apprenticeship his two years as starter were whipsawed by the demand that local hero Drew Henson get to play whenever Tom had a bad series the stats and snaps tallied do not remotely represent the hassle put on Tom and the amount of time Drew was actually sent in to play. I liked his play at Michigan. He just did not impress at all at the combine. He looked like a high school senior. Scrawny,not a cannon for an arm, very slow. did not look like an athlete who could hold up to the rigors of the NFL. Their is a reason he lasted til the 6th round. Pats took a chance that would have gone unnoticed if Tom didn't pan out, or was just a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, Dopey said: I liked his play at Michigan. He just did not impress at all at the combine. He looked like a high school senior. Scrawny,not a cannon for an arm, very slow. did not look like an athlete who could hold up to the rigors of the NFL. Their is a reason he lasted til the 6th round. Pats took a chance that would have gone unnoticed if Tom didn't pan out, or was just a backup. I was fine with him, and despised the Henson nonsense the whole time. Never guessed he would have had this kind of NFL career, or that I would never cheer for him as a Pat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 14 minutes ago, row_33 said: I was fine with him, and despised the Henson nonsense the whole time. Never guessed he would have had this kind of NFL career, or that I would never cheer for him as a Pat. Same here with the Henson scenario. For the Pats, this is one of those "better to be lucky..." things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 3:10 PM, Success said: It’s a bummer, but our friendly Pats guest is actually right this time - QB is Pennington. I really liked Chad - huge heart - but c’mon. I think Allen and Darnold will be miles better. Things are finally turning - here’s hoping the Pats search for decades after Brady, like we had to. Chad Pennington was a shoulder surgery away from being a great QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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