AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 1:08 PM, RPbillsfan said: Can you qualify your statement. What is it based on? Bills have cap space, a yong QB, starting opportunities, a very wealthy owner and the 2nd ranked defense. What makes the Bills a lesser free agent destination. It's nice to have an opinion, better if you can qualify it. Buffalo is still viewed as an area with limited entertainment opportunities for young wealthy African American men ... it has an impact, and if you don't believe that, you'd be a bit naive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 16 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Buffalo is still viewed as an area with limited entertainment opportunities for young wealthy African American men ... it has an impact, and if you don't believe that, you'd be a bit naive I'm a bit befuddled, can you translate that for me? If I read that correctly let me ask - What is there to do in Green Bay Wisconsin, or Minneapolis? All you heard was people complaining the few bars they had when attending the SB. Is Cleveland a mecca for entertainment? I hear Phoenix is a nice tow but doesn't the same apply? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 1:56 PM, downunderbill said: Always glad when you show up to a thread and throw your miserable take in there. Just because you dont agree doesnt make him wrong. On a scale of all the teams I bet buffalo is in the bottom 5 destinations if considered in a vacuum. If were being objective its pretty obvious why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 We need a ton on offense, but I wouldn't say we have needs EVERYWHERE. We need: 3-4 OL - We legitimately need 3 starters 2 WR - Forget WR1, follow the Rams model of multiple 2s with consistent hands 1 RB - Shady is done SLB - Lorax is old and we need a young replacement CB DT DE - Hughes is our only real pass rusher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 13 hours ago, Buffalo86 said: Free Agency: C Matt Paradis, DEN RT Ja'Wuan James, MIA WR John Brown, BAL TE Maxx Williams, BAL Draft: BPA Playoffs I like spending most of our FA money on the Oline. Then trade down from pick 9 and get Allen a stud TE and stud RB with our first 2 picks in the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 We need a younger RB that can get us good ypc. I don't think you need to draft one too early and I don't think we should overspend on a Vet. Ivory did well at times so you have to wonder if he's good or the lack of running lanes kept him contained. Is Shady shot? imo not completely as the above is a factor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsMafia13 said: Just because you dont agree doesnt make him wrong. On a scale of all the teams I bet buffalo is in the bottom 5 destinations if considered in a vacuum. If were being objective its pretty obvious why Obviously that one post is all there was to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, downunderbill said: Obviously that one post is all there was to it. Irrelevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Buffalo is still viewed as an area with limited entertainment opportunities for young wealthy African American men ... it has an impact, and if you don't believe that, you'd be a bit naive 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: I'm a bit befuddled, can you translate that for me? If I read that correctly let me ask - What is there to do in Green Bay Wisconsin, or Minneapolis? All you heard was people complaining the few bars they had when attending the SB. Is Cleveland a mecca for entertainment? I hear Phoenix is a nice tow but doesn't the same apply? Gotta side with Shady - entertainment plays a role, if that, but not nearly as much of a motivator as a winning culture and cash money. Most of the players don't spend the offseason in town regardless. This is a tried and failed trope in terms of winning FAs - they will sign for contracts and a promising team either in playoff contention or currently close to winning more, but can be swayed in contract negotiations and visits. Green Bay is always the sister market comparison, and it's hard to argue they don't retain or aren't able to recruit talent - albeit, their known strategy being to build from within through the draft. Edited January 23, 2019 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 21 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: Irrelevant How? Where in my post does it say I don't agree or disagree with him? My point was that if you see his name you can expect to see some negative post where the Bills, or McDermott or Beane or Allen or you name it, they suck and can do no right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 1 hour ago, downunderbill said: How? Where in my post does it say I don't agree or disagree with him? My point was that if you see his name you can expect to see some negative post where the Bills, or McDermott or Beane or Allen or you name it, they suck and can do no right. Touche. You are very right my bad. The bills kill my spirit enough as is, I wont be able to handle another 7 months 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 49ers parting ways with DT Earl Mitchell ahead of free agency The Niners confirmed Wednesday that they have informed defensive tackle Earl Mitchell they won't be exercising his option for the 2019 season. The 49ers made the move now in part to give Mitchell a head start on looking for a new team before free agency begins in March. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25834367/san-francisco-49ers-exercise-earl-mitchell-option Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) Why do I keep reading/hearing that the Bills "won't draft for need." They are absolutely going to draft for need and have nearly always done that. They have a big list of needs and will take the best player that fills one of those needs- WR, DT, DE, OT, OG. Maybe even TE. They aren't going to take a QB, LB or a safety at #9 even if that's the "best player available." The only time I can remember the Bills drafting a player because they thought he was the BPA without regard for need is when they took CJ Spiller in 2010 when they already had Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch on the roster. And frankly, that was idiotic. Edited January 24, 2019 by vincec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Buffalo is still viewed as an area with limited entertainment opportunities for young wealthy African American men ... it has an impact, and if you don't believe that, you'd be a bit naive Sad, but true. Even Cleveland has some cache. I was just back in Buffalo for the 2017 Raiders game and was blown away by the improvements downtown. Stayed at the damn Hampton Inn by the Airport and even that was awesome. People drinking RESPONSIBLY in the hallways, etc. Yeah, that's my kind of place. Went to 716 and it was amazing! With all that said, Buffalo is not a great FA destination so it's always going to be more important than anything to draft well. Pittsburgh figured that out years ago. We need to be uncharacteristically aggressive this offseason, but it shouldn't be the norm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 9 hours ago, BillsMafia13 said: Touche. You are very right my bad. The bills kill my spirit enough as is, I wont be able to handle another 7 months Been a fan for 30 years so i get that, it's going to be an exciting off season this year and there are many positives to work with so it's not all bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 12 hours ago, downunderbill said: Been a fan for 30 years so i get that, it's going to be an exciting off season this year and there are many positives to work with so it's not all bad. I wonder if the "next year we are going to be legit" is something I exclaim every year then conveniently forget in the off season, or this year will really lead to something big. I think this is new hope is going to pay off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maryland-bills-fan Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 (edited) I think the Bills have about $76 million in cap space right now. (correct if I'm wrong- older article looked up). [1] Our first need is offensive line. That will allow the passing game and the running game to work and eat up the clock and save the defense. If the offensive line is very good, we can get by with a good QB and a couple of better than average WR's and RB. [2] Paying thu the nose for a top RB or WR is too many bucks in one basket. You pay that only when you are near to top and can mortgage the future. [3] The top FA offensive linemen go for about $10-12 million apiece- four of them would be about $50 of that $76 million- and that is not a good deal. [4] You can get very good, cheap offensive linemen by drafting several in the first few rounds every year and find the ones that turn out to be good. [5] We have some good young core players on cost effective rookie contracts. They can be tied up now for 5 years more by giving a cost-effective new extended contract- that will soak up some of the extra cap space and set a foundation. what to do? My take: Resign some of the very good young players to long term contracts. A good investment in keeping them around and it will save money compared to bidding for them as a FA or having to more quickly draft a replacement or tred water by getting some older stopgap veteran. Get two good FA offensive linemen. (maybe three). Don't spend top dollar for the top 1 or 2 at a position, but get the 2-5 type guys. This will solidify the line. Draft 2 offensive linemen in the first 4 rounds. Keep doing it until the o-line is in the top 5. Other than that- go for the best player available in the first 4 rounds and after that go for the highest potential player. Do not draft a RB or WR until the later rounds. They need an o-line to shine. Fix that first. Think about trading down the first round pick to get a lower 1st and a second round pick. That is where you can get o-linemen. Edited January 24, 2019 by maryland-bills-fan add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 58 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: I wonder if the "next year we are going to be legit" is something I exclaim every year then conveniently forget in the off season, or this year will really lead to something big. I think this is new hope is going to pay off we all pretended with Tuhrod ... this is a bit different 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 I sign TE Jeff Heureman, WR Chris Conley, T Donovan Smith, either Mat Paradis or Mitch Morse to start C, sign Jason Verrett, consider a big contract for RB, WR, or Pass Rusher(Frank Clark, AB, Bell, etc), trade down from 9, target Risner, Metcalf, OL,TE,RB or Edge, and stockpile OL, WR, Edge, QB rest of draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 One off the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 On 1/20/2019 at 10:44 AM, Pete said: It's gonna be fun. I haven't looked this forward for a Bills offseason since the 90's I agree, Pete, but I feel we’ll be less than enthralled with the early returns when the team heads to training camp. Beane has made it clear he won’t get into another Cap Hell so quickly, so I’m expecting roster fills from FA. For all the grief Star gets around here, the brass is very satisfied with his performance and it met their expectations. Granted, that was a lot of $$, even for this era. As for 2-4ths, 5ths & 7ths, can we really expect game changers or even starters? Considering he cleaned out the scouting dept. immediately after taking the reins, his only Draft was last year. It had some fine yield, buts it’s still early yet. Plus, we have a fine very young core that will be looking for a second contract soon. I guess what I’m saying is I have to shelve my dreams of signing AB & Paradis and trade for Mack.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 I’m worried about the Jets driving up the price for free agents since they have many of the same needs as us and even more cap space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 Given that Beane was part of the Panthers front office when they drafted RT Daryl Williams, that is who I'm expecting to be the one "big ticket item" the Bills spend on -- assuming the Panthers don't re-sign him first. I also expect them to hand out a moderate contract to an offensive guard. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess. I DO agree with the notion that they're not gonna go out and spend crazy money. A lot of Bills fans who've set themselves up to think we're gonna be big players in free agency may be disappointed. If they can get the offensive line mostly squared away and find some linebacker or corner depth, I'll consider FA a big win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 52 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I agree, Pete, but I feel we’ll be less than enthralled with the early returns when the team heads to training camp. Beane has made it clear he won’t get into another Cap Hell so quickly, so I’m expecting roster fills from FA. For all the grief Star gets around here, the brass is very satisfied with his performance and it met their expectations. Granted, that was a lot of $$, even for this era. As for 2-4ths, 5ths & 7ths, can we really expect game changers or even starters? Considering he cleaned out the scouting dept. immediately after taking the reins, his only Draft was last year. It had some fine yield, buts it’s still early yet. Plus, we have a fine very young core that will be looking for a second contract soon. I guess what I’m saying is I have to shelve my dreams of signing AB & Paradis and trade for Mack.. ....think we currently have 6 UFA's, 3 RFA's and 2 EFRA's (excludes Lorax who signed).....a workable list IMO... somebody posted that McBeane said, "we assign a value to a player and that's it".....so I see him as a prudent FA value spender versus "the big splash".....agree that those rounds are governed by the "law of diminishing returns".....yet I'd say McBeane and his "Gang of 17" were pretty impressive....Proehl is the only one gone......add in UDFA's Foster and Wallace for good measure..... Round 4, Pick 21 (No, 121 overall): Taron Johnson, CB, Weber State Round 5, Pick 17 (No. 154 overall) [via Baltimore]: Siran Neal, CB, Jacksonville State Round 5, Pick 29 (No. 166 overall): Wyatt Teller, G, Virginia Tech Round 6, Pick 13 (No. 187 overall): Ray-Ray McCloud, WR, Clemson Round 7, Pick 37 (No. 255 overall): Austin Proehl, WR, North Carolina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 (edited) Is there still a penalty for not using enough of the cap? Because I feel like we're gonna have a hard time even getting close to the number. Edited January 26, 2019 by LSHMEAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: Is there still a penalty for not using enough of the cap? Because I feel like we're gonna have a hard time even getting close to the number. Ralph Wilson still owns the Bills? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalojedwardo Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 This is considered a better FA class than usual right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I’m worried about the Jets driving up the price for free agents since they have many of the same needs as us and even more cap space. The nature of FA is to overpay . Jets are just like any other team. Beane seems like a pretty wise guy financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 3 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said: I’m worried about the Jets driving up the price for free agents since they have many of the same needs as us and even more cap space. Good i hope they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 The Bills don't need to make big splash signings. They can acquire the 3 starters they need without breaking the bank. And they can trade down on draft day, with this being a deep draft, and filling out the rest of the roster with solid rookies. Bright days are ahead.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 6 hours ago, Logic said: Given that Beane was part of the Panthers front office when they drafted RT Daryl Williams, that is who I'm expecting to be the one "big ticket item" the Bills spend on -- assuming the Panthers don't re-sign him first. I also expect them to hand out a moderate contract to an offensive guard. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess. I DO agree with the notion that they're not gonna go out and spend crazy money. A lot of Bills fans who've set themselves up to think we're gonna be big players in free agency may be disappointed. If they can get the offensive line mostly squared away and find some linebacker or corner depth, I'll consider FA a big win. some will be disappointed i expect. But shoring the O line should be the priority and that means " any way possible" I see some money spent there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Jordan Phillips 2x pro bowler in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/23/2019 at 4:29 PM, vincec said: Why do I keep reading/hearing that the Bills "won't draft for need." They are absolutely going to draft for need and have nearly always done that. They have a big list of needs and will take the best player that fills one of those needs- WR, DT, DE, OT, OG. Maybe even TE. They aren't going to take a QB, LB or a safety at #9 even if that's the "best player available." The only time I can remember the Bills drafting a player because they thought he was the BPA without regard for need is when they took CJ Spiller in 2010 when they already had Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch on the roster. And frankly, that was idiotic. they certainty drafted for need in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, reddogblitz said: they certainty drafted for need in 2018. and how'd that work out for them?? IMO they need to work on the offense primarily and still pick a key player or 2 for the defense. Who that is is anyone's guess at the moment. Now if we only knew a guy who knew a guy with access to the draft board .... Edited January 28, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan1988 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/24/2019 at 3:01 AM, LSHMEAB said: Sad, but true. Even Cleveland has some cache. I was just back in Buffalo for the 2017 Raiders game and was blown away by the improvements downtown. Stayed at the damn Hampton Inn by the Airport and even that was awesome. People drinking RESPONSIBLY in the hallways, etc. Yeah, that's my kind of place. Went to 716 and it was amazing! With all that said, Buffalo is not a great FA destination so it's always going to be more important than anything to draft well. Pittsburgh figured that out years ago. We need to be uncharacteristically aggressive this offseason, but it shouldn't be the We've seen the Bills add players on Defense and the oline via free agency over the yrs. Its the top rated skill position guys that really dont sign here. With that being said McBeane really needs to understand this and use the draft especially in the higher rds to aquire these types of players. Use the cap space to add to the lines DLINE DT 3tech Grady Jarett 25 DE Dante Fowler 24 These 2 signings add great depth to our line Grady will give us that burst we didnt have up the middle allowing our ends to get home and get some sacks. Fowler is only 24yrs old and entering his prime. I can see him flourishing in Mcd defense . We still have Shaq, Murph & Hughes on the edges . Sign back Phillips to a modest deal and we will have at least 8players that can play in a heavy rotation. Oline RT D Will 26 LT Trent Brown 26 C Mitch Morse 26 If we can land these 3 players get ready for great yr. I would try to bring them all in on visit from the 1st day of free agency. Overpay if u have to because we will save money on the the skill position players that we aquire during the draft. So overpaying and outbidding everyone wont kill our cap. Plus these guys are all in there primes with yrs ahead of them. Our line will be a strenght for yrs to come. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 6 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: and how'd that work out for them?? IMP they need to work on the offense primarily and still pick a key player or 2 for the defense. Who that is is anyone's guess at the moment. Now if we only knew a guy who knew a guy with access to the draft board .... Don't know. It's early. I was responding to them saying they don't draft for need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 5 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: We've seen the Bills add players on Defense and the oline via free agency over the yrs. Its the top rated skill position guys that really dont sign here. With that being said McBeane really needs to understand this and use the draft especially in the higher rds to aquire these types of players. I like that approach. For whatever reason, the big ugly's seem to be more amenable to Buffalo than the high profile skill position players. We've swung and missed in FA'cy in the past. Big contracts to Dockery and Langston freaking Walker! It's up to Beane to identify the right players and you listed some good ones. Probably gonna have to get our skill guys in the draft, although the BPA at 9 is likely to be a D lineman and that is the only area of need on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 I want Jared Cook and one of those two white slot receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 On 1/26/2019 at 12:17 PM, LSHMEAB said: Is there still a penalty for not using enough of the cap? Because I feel like we're gonna have a hard time even getting close to the number. There is no additional penalty other than any money NOT spent to the "cap floor" goes to the NFLPA. So far there has not been a team that has not reached the cap floor. The Bills are a long way off from worrying about it. People should know that it is not about cap space it's about cash spending. All the Dead Money the Bills had is "cash spending". The next "cap floor" calculations are due at the end of the 2020 season, so this year means nothing. I won't go over the exact numbers but IF the Bills are projected to carryover 70 million into the 2021 season then it's time to worry. That's carryover not cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 2 hours ago, reddogblitz said: Don't know. It's early. I was responding to them saying they don't draft for need. I missed your meaning. I thought the 2018 plan(need) was defense and this years plan (need) is offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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