YoloinOhio Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Tierlifer said: Is he related to Kliff Klaven? He wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 1 hour ago, BillsFan4 said: I’ll be very interested to see what type of staff he is able to assemble. I don’t know how extensive his network of contacts is at the NFL level. More often than not, NFL head coaches have had some type of experience at the NFL level before being hired as a HC, and therefore have usually developed some type of network of contacts at the NFL level. I wonder if Kingsbury might have to rely more on trying to pull his assistants from the college coaching ranks (but even there, he’s only worked for a couple teams - Houston, Texas Tech and USC for like 2 seconds). https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/09/kliff-kingsbury-could-have-a-hard-time-putting-a-staff-together/ Either that or he can quickly assemble new NFL assistant coach contacts starting with Juan Castillo, Terry Robiskie, Danny Crossman ... I hear they may be back on the job market. ... there's a lot of good reasons to wonder whether Kingsbury was a smart choice, but the inability to recruit various NFL retreads as assistants isn't one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: ? That would be excellent. The more QBs that go top 8, the better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Awkward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I just saw a stat that Dennis Green went 26-63 as a college coach!!!! He then had 6 double digit win season in the nfl. Steve Mariucci was 6-6 in his only college season and then won double digits in the nfl 4 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I just saw a stat that Dennis Green went 26-63 as a college coach!!!! He then had 6 double digit win season in the nfl. Steve Mariucci was 6-6 in his only college season and then won double digits in the nfl 4 times. So...two out of thousands of coaches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: So...two out of thousands of coaches? It’s kinda like how Josh Allen will the qb who had a 56% passer rating in a sub power 5 conference and be the one in thousands to be successful in then nfl. ? I don’t know if it will work but I will never hate on a team going all in on their future qb. And I don’t think the Bills have done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s kinda like how Josh Allen will the qb who had a 56% passer rating in a sub power 5 conference and be the one in thousands to be successful in then nfl. ? I don’t know if it will work but I will never hate on a team going all in on their future qb. And I don’t think the Bills have done that. I'm pretty sure the 1st round draft picks with sub 60% completion percentage is a much smaller pool than that... #hyperbole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm pretty sure the 1st round draft picks with sub 60% completion percentage is a much smaller pool than that... #hyperbole In the last 10 years, please name a successful starting qb who never had one season with a 60% in college. Edited January 10, 2019 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: In the last 10 years, please name a successful starting qb with a sub 60% college completion rate. Since you are the one constantly telling us how group stats say it is highly unlikely that Allen will be a successful NFL QB (setting aside for now that group stats mean absolutely nothing on an individual basis), why don’t you provide us a link to the statistics showing the success rate of all sub 60% drafted QBs versus the success rate of all 60% plus drafted QBs? Then, perhaps, you could explain to all of us how it has any relevance at all to the future success or lack of success regarding Josh Allen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 39 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: It’s kinda like how Josh Allen will the qb who had a 56% passer rating in a sub power 5 conference and be the one in thousands to be successful in then nfl. ? I don’t know if it will work but I will never hate on a team going all in on their future qb. And I don’t think the Bills have done that. True, you could say that. However while I didn't watch his college games so I don't know what happened there, I do know that with the Bills he had lousy talent around him and no running game, and that the number of drops by his receivers would have pushed his completion rate over 60%. Kingsbury OTOH is all potential at this point and making a huge jump up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I just saw a stat that Dennis Green went 26-63 as a college coach!!!! He then had 6 double digit win season in the nfl. Steve Mariucci was 6-6 in his only college season and then won double digits in the nfl 4 times. The expectations of what Kingsbury was supposed to do at Texas Tech and what Green was supposed to do at Northwestern/Stanford were much, much different. Northwestern was 1-33 in their last 34 games before Green took over. That Cal Bears team was 3-8 the year before Mariucci. Green was fired in Minnesota because he had a loaded team and couldn't win. AZ, he didn't turn things around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: In the last 10 years, please name a successful starting qb who never had one season with a 60% in college. In the last 10 years, please name a successful NFL HC who was below .500 in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 50 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: In the last 10 years, please name a successful NFL HC who was below .500 in college. In the last 10 years most NFL teams have avoided going the college coach route. Put it this way.... if Kingsbury succeeds there will be a rush on to grab these offensive college spread guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: In the last 10 years most NFL teams have avoided going the college coach route. Put it this way.... if Kingsbury succeeds there will be a rush on to grab these offensive college spread guys. Oh I know...I was just stating an example of his example. You're right....the NFL is a copy cat league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Think that would be a solid hire actually. Put McAdoo in the Adam Gase "good OC ill suited as HC" camp for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Don't understand why someone like McAdoo hasn't been interviewed in Buffalo for O-line/Run game coordinator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I'm rolling with Kingsbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 I just listened to his press conference, it was only 14 minutes long, but here were my thoughts. 1. Upper management wanted an offensive coordinator, and Kliff is calling the plays. We’ll see if a guy who only has solid ideas about one side of the ball from a college viewpoint can command an entire team. As in the past with the Bills, they are looking for a veteran 3-4 mind to coordinate the defense. 2. Kliff referred to the Cardinals as first class, and an organization that always does the right things. Which makes you wonder about Bidwell’s thought process last year with Wilks. He got one year with a Bottom 3 roster. 3. A lot of back slapping of current and former players, too much for my taste. 4. Kliff had more presence than Matt L in Green Bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2019 Share Posted January 10, 2019 25 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I just listened to his press conference, it was only 14 minutes long, but here were my thoughts. 1. Upper management wanted an offensive coordinator, and Kliff is calling the plays. We’ll see if a guy who only has solid ideas about one side of the ball from a college viewpoint can command an entire team. As in the past with the Bills, they are looking for a veteran 3-4 mind to coordinate the defense. 2. Kliff referred to the Cardinals as first class, and an organization that always does the right things. Which makes you wonder about Bidwell’s thought process last year with Wilks. He got one year with a Bottom 3 roster. 3. A lot of back slapping of current and former players, too much for my taste. 4. Kliff had more presence than Matt L in Green Bay. I don't think Kliff will struggle for presence. He is going to be the dominant personality in the room. He is arrogant and believes he is the best and to be a great Head Coach you need a bit of that. The issue will be can he set that ego aside when managing 53 egos in a professional locker room. Or is he a guy that if he gets challenged responds by falling out with players? That and the DC hire. The DC hire is critical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 11, 2019 Share Posted January 11, 2019 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I remember posters getting up in arms when I mentioned my boy Benny McAdoo last fall. I hope he don’t end up in AZ tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Kingsbury is going to call his own plays regardless, but is this the best he can do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Rapoport should go into the diplomatic corps, if he’s going to refer to Hue’s ‘valuable HC experience’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 “Cardinals' Kliff Kingsbury Allowing Cellphone Breaks During Team Meetings” https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/27/arizona-cardinals-kliff-kingsbury-meeting-cellphone-breaks Quote Arizona Cardinals head coach Kliff Kingsbury says he will allow cellphone breaks during team meetings to help players stay focused and to also get their "social media fix." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 33 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: “Cardinals' Kliff Kingsbury Allowing Cellphone Breaks During Team Meetings” Wrecks Ryan version 2.0. I wonder how this will work out for all involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: “Cardinals' Kliff Kingsbury Allowing Cellphone Breaks During Team Meetings” https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/27/arizona-cardinals-kliff-kingsbury-meeting-cellphone-breaks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Lol! I guess some people really are freaking out over this - http://arizonasports.com/story/1890629/people-are-very-upset-kliff-kingsbury-will-allow-cardinals-cellphone-breaks/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 23 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Wrecks Ryan version 2.0. I wonder how this will work out for all involved. I’m curious myself. This hire and the Bengals hire are the 2 I was/am most skeptical over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) Wonder if there will be a fine for tweeting out that your head coach/coordinator or position coach sucks on your social media break? Edited March 27, 2019 by JoeF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Rumor on the streets is Murray said he'd go to the MLB if he couldn't text during meetings... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerovoltz Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Jesus Christ. I jumped on this and kept saying Haskins was going 1 overall! Meant Murray, but main point was they were moving on from Rosen. Must have been drunk when I posted. I have “Murray” in all the other spots where I said they’d go QB 1/1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: Jesus Christ. I jumped on this and kept saying Haskins was going 1 overall! Meant Murray, but main point was they were moving on from Rosen. Must have been drunk when I posted. I have “Murray” in all the other spots where I said they’d go QB 1/1. You did say that they'd take Murray and trade Rosen (albeit for a 4th rounder, which I thought was lunacy). I still think that the GM who traded up for Rosen, only to see his team finish dead last in the NFL, and then trade the guy for a day 2 pick, should prepare his resume, because that's a horrible use of resources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 38 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: You did say that they'd take Murray and trade Rosen (albeit for a 4th rounder, which I thought was lunacy). I still think that the GM who traded up for Rosen, only to see his team finish dead last in the NFL, and then trade the guy for a day 2 pick, should prepare his resume, because that's a horrible use of resources. I'm really not sure why he is still employed at this point, you are 1000000% correct. I just finished reading this article https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/rosen-to-murray--how-cardinals-got-here-amidst-crazy-offseason In Arizona’s mind, Murray has always been an exciting prospect. That’s obvious hearing Kingsbury talk about Murray. He likes him (he also likes Rosen a lot, by the way). Owner Michael Bidwill likes him a lot, and especially likes the idea that Murray's exhilarating style of play will put fans back in the seats, something that was an issue last year as a losing campaign endured. At no. 1 overall, the Cardinals primary motivation was to trade back in the draft, but if that didn’t work out, there was no harm in the truth that they liked Murray getting out anyway. So nothing to lose by ramping up the rumors and seeing what happened. Still, when Kingsbury affirmed their belief in Rosen on February 12th, he wasn’t lying. The Cardinals were all in on Rosen at that time, per multiple league sources. Over time however, a few things changed. Rosen is of course not required to be at the facility this offseason, but Carson Palmer basically lived there, and Rosen hasn’t been there at all. He has yet to meet Kingsbury in person, although the two have spoken on the phone a few times. Still, one motivation has trumped all. There is increasing pressure from ownership in Arizona to make a move that will be perceived as a splash, even to the point of rendering null their first round franchise quarterback from a year ago. It is no secret that Bidwill has always been a very hands-on owner, and this situation has brought that into focus more than ever before. It's not fair to say Arizona's decision-makers are divided on the prospect of drafting Murray, but Bidwill has been a late-driving force behind their interest in the Oklahoma quarterback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: You did say that they'd take Murray and trade Rosen (albeit for a 4th rounder, which I thought was lunacy). I still think that the GM who traded up for Rosen, only to see his team finish dead last in the NFL, and then trade the guy for a day 2 pick, should prepare his resume, because that's a horrible use of resources. I would agree with you. The only way that Keim saves face is if Bidwell is calling the shots. Keim may want to stay with Rosen and build around him in the draft. They didnt sign any free agents on offense, just defense. If the Cardinals pick Murray 1st overall and he doesnt live up to the billing, the Cardinals are going to be the new Browns. The Cards have a hard enough time filling the stadium now, they wont be able to give away tickets. I hope they go WR with their 2nd round pick because when Fitz retires, they will have nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said: I'm really not sure why he is still employed at this point, you are 1000000% correct. I just finished reading this article https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/rosen-to-murray--how-cardinals-got-here-amidst-crazy-offseason In Arizona’s mind, Murray has always been an exciting prospect. That’s obvious hearing Kingsbury talk about Murray. He likes him (he also likes Rosen a lot, by the way). Owner Michael Bidwill likes him a lot, and especially likes the idea that Murray's exhilarating style of play will put fans back in the seats, something that was an issue last year as a losing campaign endured. At no. 1 overall, the Cardinals primary motivation was to trade back in the draft, but if that didn’t work out, there was no harm in the truth that they liked Murray getting out anyway. So nothing to lose by ramping up the rumors and seeing what happened. Still, when Kingsbury affirmed their belief in Rosen on February 12th, he wasn’t lying. The Cardinals were all in on Rosen at that time, per multiple league sources. Over time however, a few things changed. Rosen is of course not required to be at the facility this offseason, but Carson Palmer basically lived there, and Rosen hasn’t been there at all. He has yet to meet Kingsbury in person, although the two have spoken on the phone a few times. Still, one motivation has trumped all. There is increasing pressure from ownership in Arizona to make a move that will be perceived as a splash, even to the point of rendering null their first round franchise quarterback from a year ago. It is no secret that Bidwill has always been a very hands-on owner, and this situation has brought that into focus more than ever before. It's not fair to say Arizona's decision-makers are divided on the prospect of drafting Murray, but Bidwill has been a late-driving force behind their interest in the Oklahoma quarterback. It must be splash. Because on tape Rosen is the superior Quarterback. Murray can play, I don't hate him by any means, and he is exciting. But Josh Rosen can play and even last season in a forlorn effort he showed flashes of his quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It must be splash. Because on tape Rosen is the superior Quarterback. Murray can play, I don't hate him by any means, and he is exciting. But Josh Rosen can play and even last season in a forlorn effort he showed flashes of his quality. If AZ goes through with this, they are going to be a very bad football team for a very long time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 36 minutes ago, Gugny said: If AZ goes through with this, they are going to be a very bad football team for a very long time. You mean if AZ gets rid of Rosen and gets Murray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 8 minutes ago, prissythecat said: You mean if AZ gets rid of Rosen and gets Murray? Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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