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  1. 1. Who Should Be Fired?

    • Brandon Beane (GM)
      10
    • Sean McDermott (HC)
      14
    • Brian Daboll (OC)
      16
    • Leslie Frazier (DC)
      20
    • Danny Crossman (ST)
      248
    • Eric Ciano (Strength and Conditioning)
      16
    • Terry and Kim Pegula (Stepping down from any roll in on the field decisions)
      11
    • Juan Castillo (Offensive Line/Run Game)
      193

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3 hours ago, mead107 said:

Didn’t  we talk about this month or so ago?????

 

Since nobody got fired, it was bound to bubble up to the surface again. SOMEBODY must pay! 

 

Just keep your head low for a while, they may add the Parking Coordinator to the poll. 

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Crossman and Castillo 

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I want to see the OP fired, is that a poll choice? ?   Seriously, Crossman is the only guy I think should probably be fired. Special teams has been pretty awful.

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Who ever puts votes in for McD and Frazier need their heads examined and voting privileges suspended until proper counseling has been completed.  

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1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

I voted Castillo.  Didn't like the hire when it was made.  He doesn't have a great reputation with Ravens fans here in Maryland either.

But you’re a chicken!!!

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As for who (whom?) to fire?  The next muthaf**** who starts an inane thread about firing someone.  At least until season’s end.

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1 minute ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

But you’re a chicken!!!

freaks me out honestly.
thought we had rules saying "No Chickens allowed ! well not many anyways. some though "

and why is he/she a scary chicken ?

 Boo ?

pretty weak. even coming from a chicken. if i am reading it correctly

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13 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

freaks me out honestly.
thought we had rules saying "No Chickens allowed ! well not many anyways. some though "

and why is he/she a scary chicken ?

 Boo ?

pretty weak. even coming from a chicken. if i am reading it correctly

 

I wear a disguise to look like human guys, but I'm not a man, I'm a Chicken Boo.

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1 hour ago, Just Joshin' said:

Please explain your personal  knowledge of the on field decisions made by the owners.  If you listed it as an option you either have examples (not speculation) or trolling.

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, boater said:

OP has his timing off.

 

Fire XXX posts come after a loss. After a win, it's posts such as Will Daboll be a HC candidate.

 

Also, I take umbrage to "Terry and Kim Pegula (Stepping down from any roll in on the field decisions)." I'm not aware of their micro-managing at all. Please provide examples.

I listed it as an option simply because I've seen people complaining about it. 

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2 hours ago, mjt328 said:

None of the above.  This team is starting to move in the right direction, and I believe we need some continuity.

Coaches are an easy scapegoat, but they need the right talent to be successful.

 

I know that Danny Crossman and Juan Castillo will be popular selections.

But we are talking about guys who have been NFL coaches for over 15 years.  I'm not sure they are the problem.

 

 

The Special teams unit this years has been very bad this year and was below average last year. So the results just aren't there the past 2 years. The frustration with Juan Castillo stems from the O-lines sub par performance the past two years, but at least with the O-line you can cite lack of talent in 2018 to explain away bad results. 

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4 hours ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Juan Castillo really; that’s straight up trolling a man whose offensive lines have been some of the best and far more exceptional then people realize.  Doesn’t have much to work with this season and even the guys like Groy have failed to live up to replacing Wood, Incognito, and Glenn.  With aging out on the lines need to bolster it through the draft.  

 

Glenn hasn't done anything for us in two years, and yes the Richie/Eric thing was a surprise, but I agree with Chris Brown's take that he really hasn't been able to get any synergy going and the problem runs deeper than lack of talent or teaching technique.   

 

Brownie is pretty plugged in with the Bills, I take that as a sign that Castillo will be gone.  If so, I hope it's done immediately after the Miami game so we can find our guru and he can have some input on the drafting/free agency moves we have to make here.

 

Crossman must be doing something right to survive three different HC changes, but man he sure lost us the Jets game.  Tasker pretty much blamed Crossman directly that Monday, saying if your guys don't look up to know where the ball is on a punt coverage this late in the season it's because it hasn't been drilled into their heads so that it's automatic.   He doesn't think Crossman is thorough enough.

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12 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

The Special teams unit this years has been very bad this year and was below average last year. So the results just aren't there the past 2 years. The frustration with Juan Castillo stems from the O-lines sub par performance the past two years, but at least with the O-line you can cite lack of talent in 2018 to explain away bad results. 

 

I realize that both units have struggled badly the last 2 years.  I'm just not convinced that coaching is the problem.

 

Last year, pretty much everyone knew the O-Line was going to take a step-backwards immediately after word broke that Castillo was hired.  Not because he was a historically bad coach.  But because he ran a zone blocking scheme which didn't fit the skills of our players.  We knew it was going to be even worse this year, since we lost our three best lineman in the offseason (Wood, Incognito and Glenn) and did absolutely nothing to replace them.

 

I'll be honest, and say I really don't know what is going on with special teams.  They have been a disaster everywhere.  But why is it automatically Crossman's fault when we have a bad punt, a missed field goal or a block-in-the-back penalty? 

 

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I will reserve judgement on Beane. So far he is a C+. Missed or overpaid on almost every free agent. Wasted picks to move up and draft a LB who isn't in the top 3 rookie LBs. Edmunds might be the best of them all next year but so far he hasn't been worth the investment. Again he is so young so will reserve final judgement but he could have drafted another LB and kept a second round pick to use on the OL. But I wanted Allen and he got him and so far he looks fine. As I've posted multiple times if he gets the QB he gets a 2-3 year pass.  This off-season is critical. He has to fix the line and find WR and TE. Add a pass rushing OLB as a critical need as well. 

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16 hours ago, Bob in STL said:

The Pegulas do not have a roll in on-field decision.  

 

Obvious choice us ST coach. 

 

i don't know, Whaley said he had no input or knowledge or opinion on the firing of Rex a few days later

 

who knows what is going on at OBD

 

 

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4 hours ago, mjt328 said:

 

I realize that both units have struggled badly the last 2 years.  I'm just not convinced that coaching is the problem.

 

Last year, pretty much everyone knew the O-Line was going to take a step-backwards immediately after word broke that Castillo was hired.  Not because he was a historically bad coach.  But because he ran a zone blocking scheme which didn't fit the skills of our players.  We knew it was going to be even worse this year, since we lost our three best lineman in the offseason (Wood, Incognito and Glenn) and did absolutely nothing to replace them.

 

I'll be honest, and say I really don't know what is going on with special teams.  They have been a disaster everywhere.  But why is it automatically Crossman's fault when we have a bad punt, a missed field goal or a block-in-the-back penalty? 

 

 

The O-line didn't play that well last year going from an elite unit (particularly in run blocking) in 2015 and 2016 to a fairly average unit in 2017. So the regression coming solely from a lack of talent in 2018 isn't the only blemish on Castillo's resume with the Bills. I think Daboll should get to pick his O-line coach if he wants Castillo then keep him but the team should not be afraid to move on considering they will have at least 2-3 new starters on the unit. 

 

As for special teams I don't think you can blame a ST coach for every miscue on the unit. But the things that are in a ST coaches control have been very bad this year and were subpar last year. The punt and kick coverage hasn't been good in a lot of games. Yeah sometimes a dynamic returner will break one but this is happening too often to not be a reflection of bad coaching. Like most things with special teams the leash is very short. So if a unit underperforms for 2 years in a row you have to make dramatic changes.

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5 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

i don't know, Whaley said he had no input or knowledge or opinion on the firing of Rex a few days later

 

who knows what is going on at OBD

 

 

I do not considered that an on field decision.

 

So are you saying where the coach reports to the owner he can not be fired?

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On 12/18/2018 at 2:30 PM, turbotype87 said:

The bills haven't had great drafts in the past 10yrs. The Bills of the 90's built a great team with their drafts. Beane has brought in some talent Josh Allen I believe is going to be a great player in this league. They need to build a offense that can protect him. Their running game with shady isn't going anywhere its time to draft a star running back. Their receiving core is mediocre at best. Time to draft a dominate receiver. On the defensive side of the ball they haven't had a dominate pass rusher since Bruce Smith. Beane needs to get the best players in the draft in order to be considered a playoff contender.

 

Im guessing you mean draft wise? Schobel and Mario Williams come to mind, before Rex ruined the defense...

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2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

It has been proven time and again that the only way to succeed in this league is to constantly turn over your GM and coaching staff so that the players don’t get complacent. I have not done any research to back this up but I’m sure I’m right.  ?

 

...you are and I did the research for you......Steelers are the perfect model for the revolving door (YAWN) philosophy..............

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2 hours ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

It has been proven time and again that the only way to succeed in this league is to constantly turn over your GM and coaching staff so that the players don’t get complacent. I have not done any research to back this up but I’m sure I’m right.  ?

Get yourself a website and a Twitter feed, call Schtup and the Bulldog once a week to be interviewed, and you’ll be deemed an expert.

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1 hour ago, Just Joshin' said:

I do not considered that an on field decision.

 

So are you saying where the coach reports to the owner he can not be fired?

 

...do not see the benefit of having both the GM and HC on equal direct line report to Owner (Terry or Kim who is officially President)......seems to undermine the GM's authority.....however, it does NOT preclude Terry, Kim or both calling in the HC for dialogue or there being a standing rule  that HC termination has to be signed off on by them.....all other staff positions should be outside their purview IMO.....just seems to undermine GM's authority, but if he is abusing power detrimental to this club (shades of El Presidente Donohole), they certainly need to intervene...

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I think the ST Coaches fate was sealed when there occurred a "12 men on the field" penalty during punt return, giving the opposition a first down.   That was the final straw for me, and that was prior to the Jets debacle.

 

OL has to be better.  The Bills identity has been as a great running team, and there is nothing this year.  Stymied at the line.

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15 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

 

Im guessing you mean draft wise? Schobel and Mario Williams come to mind, before Rex ruined the defense...

Mario after his surgery was dominant. I feel like people are begging to forget about that Dline and how they could get pressure with only 4. I always wonder what state this team would be in if they actually let Whaley do his job. 

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1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

Mario after his surgery was dominant. I feel like people are begging to forget about that Dline and how they could get pressure with only 4. I always wonder what state this team would be in if they actually let Whaley do his job. 

 

2 or 3 Super Bowls, in your estimation?

 

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5 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

2 or 3 Super Bowls, in your estimation?

 

Haha no not at all. I just think they would be in better shape as far as players because they wouldn't have changed schemes so often. The scheme changes in my opinion were much more detrimental than the coaching changes. I really like a lot that Whaley did, but that doesn't mean he didn't make some mistakes. It just never made any sense to me to build a flat organization and prevent the GM from doing GM type stuff.

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10 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Haha no not at all. I just think they would be in better shape as far as players because they wouldn't have changed schemes so often. The scheme changes in my opinion were much more detrimental than the coaching changes. I really like a lot that Whaley did, but that doesn't mean he didn't make some mistakes. It just never made any sense to me to build a flat organization and prevent the GM from doing GM type stuff.

your point is fair.
i do think he lost his grip at some point. maybe it was with Marroon and Brandon, Russ

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