The Trump Shutdown

[reddogblitz]

I have a novel idea.  

 

The next Congress should work on legislation so they don't have to go back to the prez every 6 months with hat in hand asking for more money.  Now we know it can and will be used by Trump as bargaining chip.  Future presidents will do the same.

 

Unless they just like it the way it is ...

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, reddogblitz said:

I have a novel idea.  

 

The next Congress should work on legislation so they don't have to go back to the prez every 6 months with hat in hand asking for more money.  Now we know it can and will be used by Trump as bargaining chip.  Future presidents will do the same.

 

Unless they just like it the way it is ...

 

They like it the way it is.  Because they've ceased to be legislators.  They're party activists, roiling the base for the next round of elections.

[keepthefaith]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

This whole thing is highly amusing to me.  Trump wants to nuke the filibuster in the Senate just for a small portion of wall funded not too concerned about the long term consequences.  He changes his mind at the last second as Senators already went home since he agreed with McConnel before the Senate passed the CR deal earlier in the week.   

 

Democrats are fine with ground censors, radar, and increased border security personnel but a wall is racist.  Outgoing congressional Republicans who wouldn't have voted for the spending bill voted for it knowing it won't pass to stick it to Pelosi.  Competing gofundme accounts raising money for the wall (may have a problem with private property there) on one side and ladders to get over the nonexistent wall on the other is actually getting a lot of money.  I fully expect a food fight in the US Capitol building cafeteria at the end of all of this.

 

But Democrats aren't in favor of those border security items except for maybe a very few in the house and senate.  They might like more security personnel because then they can turn them into immigration processing agents as Obama did.  Devices of any kind or any actual commitment to better securing us they'll never support. 

Trump on the other hand should be using this budget deadline/ceiling to address reductions in spending. 

Edited December 21, 2018 by keepthefaith

[TakeYouToTasker]

36 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

I have a novel idea.  

 

The next Congress should work on legislation so they don't have to go back to the prez every 6 months with hat in hand asking for more money.  Now we know it can and will be used by Trump as bargaining chip.  Future presidents will do the same.

 

Unless they just like it the way it is ...

 

As Tom said, this is the system they want.

 

It keeps them from having to legislate, and run on their records.

 

They instead get to be a hall of firebrand activists with an absurd incumbency rate which protects their fiefdoms.

Edited December 21, 2018 by TakeYouToTasker

[Buffalo_Gal]

We shall see...


Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) said Friday that Senate leaders have an "agreement" in place for a House-passed stopgap measure to avert a government shutdown which includes funding for President Trump's border wall. 

[boyst]

I'd rather have "bump stocks" than a border wall. 

[Azalin]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

We shall see...


Senator Bob Corker (R-TN) said Friday that Senate leaders have an "agreement" in place for a House-passed stopgap measure to avert a government shutdown which includes funding for President Trump's border wall. 

 

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. I believe that the Democrats and the never-Trump Republicans will sink anything that gives Trump any kind of victory on the border wall. Trump could offer up DACA, total amnesty for all illegal immigrants, and a reinstatement of Obamacare and they'd still refuse. They're going to try to make Trump appear as villainous as possible by shutting down the government over Christmas. They have most of the news outlets on their side, and going to do everything they can to continue to ramp up the manufactured outrage and fan the TDS flames.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

[Buffalo_Gal]

38 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. I believe that the Democrats and the never-Trump Republicans will sink anything that gives Trump any kind of victory on the border wall. Trump could offer up DACA, total amnesty for all illegal immigrants, and a reinstatement of Obamacare and they'd still refuse. They're going to try to make Trump appear as villainous as possible by shutting down the government over Christmas. They have most of the news outlets on their side, and going to do everything they can to continue to ramp up the manufactured outrage and fan the TDS flames.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

I too think they will try and make him appear as villainous as possible. Will they succeed though? That is the question. 'And don't discount the fact that 220K people have donated to that Trump wall gofundme in the last 4 days. That is a poll, and a paid poll by the participants no less. Congressional staff will notice, as they will be paying close attention to internal polling on the matter. 

The MSM and the Ds will blame Trump. Who the American public will blame? No one knows at this point.

[Doc Brown]

55 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. I believe that the Democrats and the never-Trump Republicans will sink anything that gives Trump any kind of victory on the border wall. Trump could offer up DACA, total amnesty for all illegal immigrants, and a reinstatement of Obamacare and they'd still refuse. They're going to try to make Trump appear as villainous as possible by shutting down the government over Christmas. They have most of the news outlets on their side, and going to do everything they can to continue to ramp up the manufactured outrage and fan the TDS flames.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

Probably.  If Jeb Bush was president and requested 5 billion for a border wall I don't think there'd be much hesitation considering they voted for the Secure Fence Act 80-12 in the Senate in '06.  It's just that this was Trump's main campaign issue, the chant at his rallies, and the symbol of his and his supporters xenophobia (in their minds).

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Azalin said:

 

I may be wrong, but I just don't see it happening. I believe that the Democrats and the never-Trump Republicans will sink anything that gives Trump any kind of victory on the border wall. Trump could offer up DACA, total amnesty for all illegal immigrants, and a reinstatement of Obamacare and they'd still refuse. They're going to try to make Trump appear as villainous as possible by shutting down the government over Christmas. They have most of the news outlets on their side, and going to do everything they can to continue to ramp up the manufactured outrage and fan the TDS flames.

 

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so.

 

Y'know...as much as the news media is in their pocket, they could just as easily fund the border wall, keep the government running...and ask the media to report the government is shut down, and no one would be any wiser.

[B-Man]

The Schumer Shutdown.

 

 

 

 

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[Swill Merchant]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

This whole thing is highly amusing to me.  Trump wants to nuke the filibuster in the Senate just for a small portion of wall funded not too concerned about the long term consequences.  He changes his mind at the last second as Senators already went home since he agreed with McConnel before the Senate passed the CR deal earlier in the week.   

 

Democrats are fine with ground censors, radar, and increased border security personnel but a wall is racist.  Outgoing congressional Republicans who wouldn't have voted for the spending bill voted for it knowing it won't pass to stick it to Pelosi.  Competing gofundme accounts raising money for the wall (may have a problem with private property there) on one side and ladders to get over the nonexistent wall on the other is actually getting a lot of money.  I fully expect a food fight in the US Capitol building cafeteria at the end of all of this.

"The wall is racist" may be the dumbest stance I've ever seen either party take on an issue. It's an indefensible position that no one, including those saying it, actually believes, and it leaves the true intent behind the opposition naked for all to see.

 

The only policy logically consistent with that position is open borders. The Democrats have now taken the mantle of the open borders party, and they've assumed ownership of the shutdown.

 

Unless, of course, they can sell the story that the people who want to allocate trillions of dollars to open ended projects suddenly draw the line at a one time $5b expenditure. But no one's buying that one.

[Azalin]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

The MSM and the Ds will blame Trump. Who the American public will blame? No one knows at this point.

 

 

The American people will fall into alignment with whichever side they already support. I don't see this as a struggle between two parties trying to win the hearts & minds of Americans, rather it's a gaggle of political whores trying to force the wind to blow in one direction or the other. People who support Trump will continue to do so, those who oppose him will do likewise. I don't think voters' minds will be swayed either way by any of this.

 

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Probably.  If Jeb Bush was president and requested 5 billion for a border wall I don't think there'd be much hesitation considering they voted for the Secure Fence Act 80-12 in the Senate in '06.  It's just that this was Trump's main campaign issue, the chant at his rallies, and the symbol of his and his supporters xenophobia (in their minds).

 

Absolutely. I agree completely.

 

[Doc Brown]

47 minutes ago, Swill Merchant said:

"The wall is racist" may be the dumbest stance I've ever seen either party take on an issue. It's an indefensible position that no one, including those saying it, actually believes, and it leaves the true intent behind the opposition naked for all to see.

 

The only policy logically consistent with that position is open borders. The Democrats have now taken the mantle of the open borders party, and they've assumed ownership of the shutdown.

 

Unless, of course, they can sell the story that the people who want to allocate trillions of dollars to open ended projects suddenly draw the line at a one time $5b expenditure. But no one's buying that one.

They're changing their tune to, "We're for border security, but there are more cost efficient and effective ways to accomplish that than an antiquated wall solution."  Your average person may buy that because most people don't pay close attention to politics.  I don't think this changes anything support wise because Independents made their mind up about Trump a long time ago.

3 hours ago, B-Man said:

The Schumer Shutdown.

 

 

 

Not a Schumer fan, but that's an inaccurate meme.

 

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/20/blog-posting/meme-mischaracterizes-chuck-schumers-record-border/

 

It’s possible the creator of the post was thinking of a 2013 proposal that Schumer shepherded through the Senate. But characterizing the 2013 legislation as a $25 billion deal to fund a "border wall" runs into factual hurdles.

 

That proposal, a comprehensive immigration plan Schumer sponsored and voted for, cleared the Senate in 2013. But the Republican-controlled House did not take up that bill after that. (It’s worth noting that presidents, not lawmakers, as the meme suggests, sign bills into law.)

The package included more than $46 billion for border security. The vast majority of that money ($30 billion) was for hiring more U.S. Border Patrol agents along the southern border. Around $8 billion would have gone toward building or repairing 700 miles of fencing (including some double-layer fencing) along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

That’s not $25 billion for a wall, as the meme claimed.

Edited December 22, 2018 by Doc Brown

[plenzmd1]

I think most of us see this as a political pissing match. Pox on both their houses. 

 

What i dont understand is Trumps position here. As I mentioned upthread,  if you are going to make a stand, why not make it a stand to fund the wall fully. Lowest estimate I have seen is $18B. That would be about building a wall, not a stunt to to appease your base and Fox. 

 

My mesaage to Trump... its 1am, you told your wife you would be home at 11pm. Let her know you are fine, and stay out and enjoy another hour or two. In other words, make it worth pain that you are going to endure! 

 

I would reapect him more more if he took that position , as I think most folks would. 

 

 

 

 

[Foxx]

an AP article

 

Federal shutdown begins after lawmakers fail to reach deal

[Buffalo_Gal]

232K donators. Facebook closed down their Facebook page (but not his personal page --- yet) after the lefties kept reporting it.
 

 

[TH3]

6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

They're changing their tune to, "We're for border security, but there are more cost efficient and effective ways to accomplish that than an antiquated wall solution."  Your average person may buy that because most people don't pay close attention to politics.  I don't think this changes anything support wise because Independents made their mind up about Trump a long time ago.

Not a Schumer fan, but that's an inaccurate meme.

 

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2018/dec/20/blog-posting/meme-mischaracterizes-chuck-schumers-record-border/

 

It’s possible the creator of the post was thinking of a 2013 proposal that Schumer shepherded through the Senate. But characterizing the 2013 legislation as a $25 billion deal to fund a "border wall" runs into factual hurdles.

 

That proposal, a comprehensive immigration plan Schumer sponsored and voted for, cleared the Senate in 2013. But the Republican-controlled House did not take up that bill after that. (It’s worth noting that presidents, not lawmakers, as the meme suggests, sign bills into law.)

The package included more than $46 billion for border security. The vast majority of that money ($30 billion) was for hiring more U.S. Border Patrol agents along the southern border. Around $8 billion would have gone toward building or repairing 700 miles of fencing (including some double-layer fencing) along the U.S.-Mexico border.

 

That’s not $25 billion for a wall, as the meme claimed.

NOOOOOOOO....its a  meme.....it has to be correct because it says what I want to believe!!!

29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

232K donators. Facebook closed down their Facebook page (but not his personal page --- yet) after the lefties kept reporting it.
 

 

Seriously - memes are not research - page got shut down because the originator had started several conspiracy based pages that were BS

 

How much money did you give him? Put your money where your mouth is!! 

[plenzmd1]

^^^^^

 

where are the funds for the wall rasied above going?

 

I assume there is some minimum that needs to be raised? Like $10B or something?

 

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[Buffalo_Gal]

28 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

^^^^^

 

where are the funds for the wall rasied above going?

 

I assume there is some minimum that needs to be raised? Like $10B or something?

 

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Gofundme has a $1B limit. I have my doubts it will ever be obtained. That isn't what the politicians are looking at, however. They are focusing on how many people are donating. A donation is a "vote" for wall funding.  As of now, 235K people (in 5 days, with little publicity) have decided to express their support for the wall via a direct donation.

As far as where the fund are going... there is a precedent for direct funds being directed toward a specific purpose, and that money being used for that purpose (David Rubenstein and the Washington Monument elevator is the latest example (2016)). The claim here is they are working with the administration (and attorneys) to get the money to be used directly for a  wall. 

*******

 

51 minutes ago, TH3 said:

NOOOOOOOO....its a  meme.....it has to be correct because it says what I want to believe!!!

Seriously - memes are not research - page got shut down because the originator had started several conspiracy based pages that were BS

 

How much money did you give him? Put your money where your mouth is!! 

Yup, building the wall is a real conspiracy movement. / insert sarc tag

$1K.

[Tiberius]

Trump's chaos is moving him towards the door. His reelection chances are nearing zero while his impeach and remove chances are growing. 

 

Now the government is shut down. 

Foreign policy is a joke, a dangerous joke 

Trade policy is hurting the economy and making us shell out welfare payments to farmers 

Human rights issues are ignored 

The last grown up in charge has resigned over the lack of commitment to our foreign alliances

And now the clown in chief wants his incredibly stupid border wall Mexico was suppose to pay for

 

 

Impeach and Remove 

[plenzmd1]

55 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Gofundme has a $1B limit. I have my doubts it will ever be obtained. That isn't what the politicians are looking at, however. They are focusing on how many people are donating. A donation is a "vote" for wall funding.  As of now, 235K people (in 5 days, with little publicity) have decided to express their support for the wall via a direct donation.

As far as where the fund are going... there is a precedent for direct funds being directed toward a specific purpose, and that money being used for that purpose (David Rubenstein and the Washington Monument elevator is the latest example (2016)). The claim here is they are working with the administration (and attorneys) to get the money to be used directly for a  wall. 

*******

 

Yup, building the wall is a real conspiracy movement. / insert sarc tag

$1K.

thank you for the info.

 

So let's take a rough guess of US citizens over 18 being at 250M people. so we have 1/10th of 1 % of people donating...not exactly a large number, certainly not a mandate of any kind.

[Nanker]

That’s at least 250,000 more Americans than were at Hillary’s inauguration.

 

[plenzmd1]

for all you Trump folks..you will be glad to know I lost a bet last night on the UB game to a good friend who is an ardent Trump supporter and Marquette grad.

 

I have to now purchase and wear out both nights for our boys weekend coming up a MAGA hat and this. Urghh, freaking UB!!!!!

 

https://www.funnyshirts.org/design/980432/Obama+You're+Fired!+Trump+Sweater

[B-Man]

Partial government shutdown triggered as funding lapses amid border wall dispute by Alex Pappas

Original Article

Funding for a slew of federal agencies lapsed at midnight after Congress and the White House failed to pass a spending package amid a bruising fight over border wall funding. The missed deadline means nine of 15 Cabinet-level departments and dozens of agencies will close just as the Christmas break begins.   But it does not mean the whole federal government is affected: Only about a quarter of the government is actually shutting down.   The Senate planned to reconvene at noon Saturday to continue talks

[Buffalo_Gal]

38 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

for all you Trump folks..you will be glad to know I lost a bet last night on the UB game to a good friend who is an ardent Trump supporter and Marquette grad.

 

I have to now purchase and wear out both nights for our boys weekend coming up a MAGA hat and this. Urghh, freaking UB!!!!!

 

https://www.funnyshirts.org/design/980432/Obama+You're+Fired!+Trump+Sweater

That's being a good sport!  What was your friend going to have to buy? (I'm almost afraid to ask.)

[boyst]

16 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

That's being a good sport!  What was your friend going to have to buy? (I'm almost afraid to ask.)

Donate to the CF and visit comet pizza.

[plenzmd1]

54 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

That's being a good sport!  What was your friend going to have to buy? (I'm almost afraid to ask.)

Well, he was going to have to buy drinks for the first 2 hours at the bar without have a single sip. And yes, that would be pure torture for him!

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, Nanker said:

That’s at least 250,000 more Americans than were at Hillary’s inauguration.

 

Hillary's inauguration crowd.

[Kevbeau]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

thank you for the info.

 

So let's take a rough guess of US citizens over 18 being at 250M people. so we have 1/10th of 1 % of people donating...not exactly a large number, certainly not a mandate of any kind.

It’s the projection factor. Think of how polls work. Having said that I don’t believe 250k is a significant enough sample to project. It’s enough to take notice early on and if it snowballs....

Edited December 22, 2018 by Kevbeau

[B-Man]

With negotiations expected to continue, the House and Senate both scheduled rare Saturday sessions. House members were told they’d get 24 hours’ notice before a vote.

 

The gridlock blocks money for nine of 15 Cabinet-level departments and dozens of agencies, including the departments of Homeland Security, Transportation, Interior, Agriculture, State and Justice.

 

The lack of funds will disrupt many government operations and the routines of 800,000 federal employees. Roughly 420,000 workers were deemed essential and will work unpaid just days before Christmas, while 380,000 will be furloughed, meaning they’ll stay home without pay.

 

Those being furloughed include nearly everyone at NASA and 52,000 workers at the Internal Revenue Service. About 8 in 10 employees of the National Park Service will stay home and many parks were expected to close.

 

The Senate passed legislation ensuring workers will receive back pay, which the House seemed sure to approve.

 

Some agencies, including the Pentagon and the departments of Veterans Affairs and Health and Human Services, were already funded for the year in agreements reached earlier, and they will operate as usual.

 

The U.S. Postal Service, busy delivering packages for the holiday season, will not be affected because it’s an independent agency. Social Security checks will still be mailed, troops will remain on duty and food inspections will continue.

 

Also still functioning will be the FBI, the Border Patrol and the Coast Guard. Transportation Security Administration officers will continue to staff airport checkpoints and air traffic controllers will also remain at work.

 

 

 

It was Trump's shutdown, as he said, if Congress would not address the budget with the wall spending in it, BUT, the House DID pass it..........much to Nancy's dismay,

 

Now the Senate HAS enough votes to pass it (over 50) but without some democrats to reach the 'artificial' end-debate 60

it can't be passed

 

Guess who is holding those votes hostage ?

 

 

 

Chuck Schumer closed the government b/c he would not allow $5 billion of the $4 trillion the federal govt spends annually to be spent on border barriers. It’s an absurd, political stunt....................... By Chuck Schumer..................... It is his shutdown.

 

 

Bottom line: Chuck Schumer is closing the government and creating genuine hardship for hundreds of thousands of federal employees b/c he’s afraid of his “base” which wants zero border security funding. It’s all on ,Chuck Schumer  period.

 

 

Wait a minute.....................I didn't know the nation, and it's children, would face THIS hardship.....

 

 

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We’re sorry, but we will not be posting updates to our social media channels during the government shutdown. Also, all National Archives facilities are closed and activities are canceled until further notice. We’ll be back as soon as possible!

4:30 AM - 22 Dec 2018

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2018 by B-Man

[RaoulDuke79]

4 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

for all you Trump folks..you will be glad to know I lost a bet last night on the UB game to a good friend who is an ardent Trump supporter and Marquette grad.

 

I have to now purchase and wear out both nights for our boys weekend coming up a MAGA hat and this. Urghh, freaking UB!!!!!

 

https://www.funnyshirts.org/design/980432/Obama+You're+Fired!+Trump+Sweater

Be careful you don't get assaulted by antifa.

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Trump's chaos is moving him towards the door. His reelection chances are nearing zero while his impeach and remove chances are growing. 

 

Now the government is shut down. 

Foreign policy is a joke, a dangerous joke 

Trade policy is hurting the economy and making us shell out welfare payments to farmers 

Human rights issues are ignored 

The last grown up in charge has resigned over the lack of commitment to our foreign alliances

And now the clown in chief wants his incredibly stupid border wall Mexico was suppose to pay for

 

 

Impeach and Remove 

When Trump announced he was running for president people believed his chances of getting elected were somewhere around zero as well.

[boyst]

It's just a few days before Christmas and we are a moving along just fine with a govern shutdown.  I'm ok with this.

[/dev/null]

7 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Trump's chaos is moving him towards the door. His reelection chances are nearing zero while his impeach and remove chances are growing. 

 

Now the government is shut down. 

Foreign policy is a joke, a dangerous joke 

Trade policy is hurting the economy and making us shell out welfare payments to farmers 

Human rights issues are ignored 

The last grown up in charge has resigned over the lack of commitment to our foreign alliances

And now the clown in chief wants his incredibly stupid border wall Mexico was suppose to pay for

 

 

Impeach and Remove 

 

And I'm sure you would be more than willing to give President Pence a fair chance before turning on him

 

[DC Tom]

2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

And I'm sure you would be more than willing to give President Pence a fair chance before turning on him

 

 

But...you mean...if the president is impeached, the other party doesn't get to take over everything?  

[DC Tom]

18 hours ago, B-Man said:

The Schumer Shutdown.

 

 

 

 

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Not actually true.  It was a border security bill that included $8 Billion for 700 miles of fencing. 

 

Which is interesting, because...$5B for a thousand-mile wall, but $8B for a shorter fence?  Shroomer may be a partisan asshat, but this would be one of his "stopped clock" moments, because this wall bull ***** is, in fact, bull *****.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 hours ago, B-Man said:

With negotiations expected to continue, the House and Senate both scheduled rare Saturday sessions. House members were told they’d get 24 hours’ notice before a vote.

 

The gridlock blocks money for nine of 15 Cabinet-level departments and dozens of agencies, including the departments of Homeland Security, Transportation, Interior, Agriculture, State and Justice.

 

The lack of funds will disrupt many government operations and the routines of 800,000 federal employees. Roughly 420,000 workers were deemed essential and will work unpaid just days before Christmas, while 380,000 will be furloughed, meaning they’ll stay home without pay.

 

Those being furloughed include nearly everyone at NASA and 52,000 workers at the Internal Revenue Service. About 8 in 10 employees of the National Park Service will stay home and many parks were expected to close.

 

The Senate passed legislation ensuring workers will receive back pay, which the House seemed sure to approve.

 

Some agencies, including the Pentagon and the departments of Veterans Affairs and Health and Human Services, were already funded for the year in agreements reached earlier, and they will operate as usual.

 

The U.S. Postal Service, busy delivering packages for the holiday season, will not be affected because it’s an independent agency. Social Security checks will still be mailed, troops will remain on duty and food inspections will continue.

 

Also still functioning will be the FBI, the Border Patrol and the Coast Guard. Transportation Security Administration officers will continue to staff airport checkpoints and air traffic controllers will also remain at work.

 

 

 

It was Trump's shutdown, as he said, if Congress would not address the budget with the wall spending in it, BUT, the House DID pass it..........much to Nancy's dismay,

 

Now the Senate HAS enough votes to pass it (over 50) but without some democrats to reach the 'artificial' end-debate 60

it can't be passed

 

Guess who is holding those votes hostage ?

 

 

 

Chuck Schumer closed the government b/c he would not allow $5 billion of the $4 trillion the federal govt spends annually to be spent on border barriers. It’s an absurd, political stunt....................... By Chuck Schumer..................... It is his shutdown.

 

 

Bottom line: Chuck Schumer is closing the government and creating genuine hardship for hundreds of thousands of federal employees b/c he’s afraid of his “base” which wants zero border security funding. It’s all on ,Chuck Schumer  period.

 

 

Wait a minute.....................I didn't know the nation, and it's children, would face THIS hardship.....

 

 

 

 

Schumer provided some very interesting soundbites about the border wall. No wall for Trump, no money for trump wall, you'll never get funding for the trump wall etc etc etc.

 

The problem is people are dying over this issue, and many, many folks support the building of a wall, more still support security at the border in some way, shape or form.  Yet old chuck sounded like an arrogant politician playing games with money at the expense of the security of the American people, not to mention those in govt impacted over the $5b. Nothing like a NYC lib on a rant to rally middle Americans at election time. 

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, DC Tom said:

 

Not actually true.  It was a border security bill that included $8 Billion for 700 miles of fencing. 

 

Which is interesting, because...$5B for a thousand-mile wall, but $8B for a shorter fence?  Shroomer may be a partisan asshat, but this would be one of his "stopped clock" moments, because this wall bull ***** is, in fact, bull *****.

Don't remember where I read it but the 5b was for 200+ miles with the 25b intended for 1200 miles.

[Q-baby!]

6 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Don't remember where I read it but the 5b was for 200+ miles with the 25b intended for 1200 miles.

Who cares? Mexico is paying for it, right? 

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, BigMcD said:

Who cares? Mexico is paying for it, right? 

 

No one on this board bought that when it was floated.