Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: This is one of the dumber things I've ever seen posted here. One of the few just and proper functions of the federal government is the protection of our sovereignty which is defined by our national defense, enforcement of our national borders, and our immigration and naturalization policies. This is the case because it is literally the entire purpose of the nation state, and a nation state cannot exist without these things. The Fifth Amendment addresses this exact situation with the language: "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." This is entirely different, in every conceivable way from being forced to purchase a commodity by the government against one's will. Your argument is, quite literally, "since the government enjoys the just power to compel some behaviors, it must enjoy the just power to compel all behaviors," which is a stupid argument. Nice try, but this is a clownish attempt to make a senseless political stunt into a high minded endeavor. The wall is pure political theatre, nothing more. If Libertarian are against anything, they are against attempts by politicians to further their own political ends by using the public trough. Thanks for demonstrating--in a very sophomore way--the bankruptcy of your libertarian beliefs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 27 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Wait, that was your answer? I legit thought you were shitposting. Wait, you really think that because Trump-tard says it's Schumer's fault now, it's his? That "I'll be proud to shut down the government" is no longer lil Baby Donny's fault because decided to pull a bait and switch at the last moment and now gets to pout. AHAHAHAHAHA...my god, you were serious First, I thank God you're ok. I was worried because it was your post, you spoke emphatically and with strong opinions then seemed to wander off into the shadows as matters evolved. That would reflect a shallowness rarely seen. I really wanted your feedback and your reply of "TRUMP" leaves me much to comtemplate. Now, the shutdown can be avoided, Schumer can help, and Pelosi looks like she's out of touch. Thanks for taking the time to reply. You've given me much to consider. I always thought it was pretty complicated, but yeah, "TRUMP!" Is pretty deep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, ALF said: You mean raise the debt ceiling in order to have massive tax cuts ? The federal government should seek to tax citizens and business as little as possible and it should also seek to spend not more than it collects in taxes more often than not. Funny thing though that the spending side is almost never reviewed and addressed. Edited December 21, 2018 by keepthefaith 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: The federal government should seek to tax citizens and business as little as possible and it should also seek to spend not more than it collects in taxes more often than not. Funny thing though that the spending size is almost never reviewed and addressed. Spending $trillions on 2 unnecessary wars , outsourcing good wage manufacturing jobs that paid income taxes replaced by min wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Now THIS gofundme is getting front page news coverage (isn't it illegal to help people come into this country illegally?) Our MSM is ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Will Senate Democrats shut the government to prevent Trump from getting his wall? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: Will Senate Democrats shut the government to prevent Trump from getting his wall? . Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 For the life of me I don't understand why the Democrats do not give Trump his wall money. They are once again desperately trying to win a battle at the cost of the war. It's a win-win. Trump shuts up about his wall and the Democrats can claim they are pro-border security. They get that table chip to negotiate whatever it is they want to do with Obamacare. All it takes is a single case of an illegal immigrant murdering an American citizen, scenes on the televison of a caravan just streaming into the United States unabated or a gunfight between cartels and American law enforcement to turn that into an absolute disaster for the Democrats in the run-up to the 2020 election. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) I always understood "Mexico's going to pay for the wall" to mean, we're going to appropriate and authorize it up front and recoup the cost through tax/tariff/fee/lower enforcement costs" Rather than "Don's going to hand their president an invoice. Because I'm not stupid. Would Democrats vote to end the filibuster if McConnell put it on the floor? Maybe! . . Edited December 21, 2018 by B-Man 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 minute ago, B-Man said: I always understood "Mexico's going to pay for the wall" to mean, we're going to appropriate and authorize it up front and recoup the cost through tax/tariff/fee/lower enforcement costs" Rather than "Don's going to hand their president an invoice. Because I'm not stupid. . 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, B-Man said: I always understood "Mexico's going to pay for the wall" to mean, we're going to appropriate and authorize it up front and recoup the cost through tax/tariff/fee/lower enforcement costs" Rather than "Don's going to hand their president an invoice. Because I'm not stupid. Would Democrats vote to end the filibuster if McConnell put it on the floor? Maybe! . . And I always understood "you can keep your doctor" to mean "if the bill passes the way it is presented, rather than carved apart to appease lunatics on the right, you will be able to continue seeing whatever doctor you want". But, you know how that goes... It is nice that you can make up a narrative that helps you feel better about your blind support for this garbage of an administration. You may have understood it the way you did...but its' not what he said...and it certainly isn't the way he acted when he first took office. He worked his con-man magic into his blind followers lowering their expectations of him... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 3 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Lol. I would be shocked if 1% of people who think that the wall is a terrible idea lived in gated communities. Mostly because it's a special kind of stupid to believe that dreck. Step up and volunteer to take some of these caravan illegals into your house, feed them, pay for their medical, pay all their bills until they can become legalized citizens. C'mon you can do it, step up, take them in, you won't, WHAT, you wouldn't feel safe or can't afford it, typical all talk stupid liberal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 43 minutes ago, B-Man said: Will Senate Democrats shut the government to prevent Trump from getting his wall? . As long as Trump acts like a obnoxious bully , bipartisan cooperation won't happen . This is one reason the House flipped in the last election. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Buftex said: And I always understood "you can keep your doctor" to mean "if the bill passes the way it is presented, rather than carved apart to appease lunatics on the right, you will be able to continue seeing whatever doctor you want". But, you know how that goes... That's ludicrous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 3 Buftex, Tiberius and peace out reacted to this Hey look at that ! .....................I got a Lib lemming Trifecta........... What could validate my reply more, than having these three misinterpret it.................lol That's okay guys, Jesus loves you, but the rest of the board is laughing at you. . Edited December 21, 2018 by B-Man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 40 minutes ago, B-Man said: I always understood "Mexico's going to pay for the wall" to mean, we're going to appropriate and authorize it up front and recoup the cost through tax/tariff/fee/lower enforcement costs" Rather than "Don's going to hand their president an invoice. Because I'm not stupid. Would Democrats vote to end the filibuster if McConnell put it on the floor? Maybe! . . I always understood it as "I'm going to make Mexico give us money to pay for the wall." Because even though I'm not stupid, Trump is. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 36 minutes ago, B-Man said: 3 Buftex, Tiberius and peace out reacted to this Hey look at that ! .....................I got a Lib lemming Trifecta........... What could validate my reply more, than having these three misinterpret it.................lol That's okay guys, Jesus loves you, but the rest of the board is laughing at you. . Whatever... a weak response from a Trump loon...I am crushed... I don't laugh at you, I cringe at the lengths you will go to feel good about supporting this nonsense... Edited December 21, 2018 by Buftex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That's ludicrous. Any more ludicrous than what B-Man posted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Buftex said: And I always understood "you can keep your doctor" to mean "if the bill passes the way it is presented, rather than carved apart to appease lunatics on the right, you will be able to continue seeing whatever doctor you want". But, you know how that goes... It is nice that you can make up a narrative that helps you feel better about your blind support for this garbage of an administration. You may have understood it the way you did...but its' not what he said...and it certainly isn't the way he acted when he first took office. He worked his con-man magic into his blind followers lowering their expectations of him... Do you specifically try to demonstrate your ignorance? The ACA was passed by democrats only after some were bribed to vote for it. The republicans didn't even get to read it before the vote. Dumbass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Buftex said: And I always understood "you can keep your doctor" to mean "if the bill passes the way it is presented, rather than carved apart to appease lunatics on the right, you will be able to continue seeing whatever doctor you want". But, you know how that goes... That's because you have no understanding of cause and effect or how markets work. This might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TakeYouToTasker said: That's because you have no understanding of cause and effect or how markets work. This might be the dumbest thing you've ever said. I was parodying B-Mans *****...he knew what Trump meant, even though it wasn't what he said. We can all hear things the way we want to. Edited December 21, 2018 by Buftex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Senate vote on whether to proceed 43 yes 45 no holding vote open for Senators to return to DC . I'll bet they won't be happy Trump pulled this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, ALF said: Senate vote on whether to proceed 43 yes 45 no holding vote open for Senators to return to DC . I'll bet they won't be happy Trump pulled this. Can you link? Last I saw it was 50 50 with pence casting the tie vote to proceed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 57 minutes ago, Tiberius said: What's exceptionally funny is the notion that anyone believes Trump as President is in bed with Putin. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 1 hour ago, DC Tom said: That's ludicrous. I'm fairness his doctor is apparently a dipschiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary M Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Tiberius said: Trump said Mexico would pay for the wall Give it some time, it's not like they would just write a check. Once that wall is up all those that we send back will be Mexico's problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, Gary M said: Give it some time, it's not like they would just write a check. Once that wall is up all those that we send back will be Mexico's problem. Good, let's give it some time then. Why shut down the government over something that's going to get paid for anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, keepthefaith said: What's exceptionally funny is the notion that anyone believes Trump as President is in bed with Putin. Ehh, I'm pretty sure that it's more of "Let me play president Vladdy. I'll wear the gimp mask if you give me that golden shower" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: I'm fairness his doctor is apparently a dipschiff. You are fairness, his doctor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: You are fairness, his doctor? then he would be quite honest in referring to himself as a "dipschiff". Also a dipshit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Just now, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: then he would be quite honest in referring to himself as a "dipschiff". Also a dipshit Very true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Can you link? Last I saw it was 50 50 with pence casting the tie vote to proceed I wonder what i'm watching live on CSPAN 2 ? 44 yes 46 no now Edited December 21, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko78 Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Gary M said: Give it some time, it's not like they would just write a check. Well, it's not like that to anyone with an IQ over 70. Then there's the left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 13 minutes ago, ALF said: I wonder what i'm watching live on CSPAN 2 ? I'm at work, so I can't flip on the tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 This whole thing is highly amusing to me. Trump wants to nuke the filibuster in the Senate just for a small portion of wall funded not too concerned about the long term consequences. He changes his mind at the last second as Senators already went home since he agreed with McConnel before the Senate passed the CR deal earlier in the week. Democrats are fine with ground censors, radar, and increased border security personnel but a wall is racist. Outgoing congressional Republicans who wouldn't have voted for the spending bill voted for it knowing it won't pass to stick it to Pelosi. Competing gofundme accounts raising money for the wall (may have a problem with private property there) on one side and ladders to get over the nonexistent wall on the other is actually getting a lot of money. I fully expect a food fight in the US Capitol building cafeteria at the end of all of this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 17 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: then he would be quite honest in referring to himself as a "dipschiff". Also a dipshit Damn typo. I had to double check as while the other poster may be your afternoon liberal booty call, he has shown the propensity to be a weasle in the past. Yes, I meant that I'm fairness. I am not a doctor. I am a dipschiff. And I'm a dispshit. But, I don't dodge questions, so there is always that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Damn typo. I had to double check as while the other poster may be your afternoon liberal booty call, he has shown the propensity to be a weasle in the past. Yes, I meant that I'm fairness. I am not a doctor. I am a dipschiff. And I'm a dispshit. But, I don't dodge questions, so there is always that. I also don't rattle off nonsensical drivel, but hey, you do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 34 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I also don't rattle off nonsensical drivel, but hey, you do you. I used plain language to inquire as to your thoughts, in fact some were words you used yourself. At first you thought it was shitposting, then you didn't, then you answered but now it seems you didn't understand any of it. Maybe in retrospect not answering was your better play. You're all over the page emotionally, so I'll leave you to your deep thinking. I guess this is where I use the Miley Cyrus line...so, uh, you do you, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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