The Trump Shutdown

[Buffalo_Gal]

 

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

Something something something something.  IMPEACH!

[MILFHUNTER#518]

On 12/11/2018 at 4:57 PM, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Ok. Name the press. If this is "hot off the lib NPC press", tell me what it's from. 

 

Because actual, conservative government analysis couldn't come from me unless I know better than you. Which, let's be honest here, is not that hard

 

Dude, there's a reason why I'm an independent. Just because Trump is unspeakably moronic doesn't make the Dems magically brilliant. They are simply the most ready way to avoid disaster.

 

They deserve to be called out for hypocrisy and bad ideas. 

 

I dont see how continued examination, debate and rejection of ideas is a bad thing.

 

 

So why dont you then call out Nancy Mussolini and Cryin Chuck on their hypocrisy? 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tiberius]

Almost immediately, Pelosi emerging from the White House became a meme, with everyone from Pentagon reporters to Moonlight director Barry Jenkins gushing over the coat as a power move:

Putting politics aside for a second, can we all agree that Pelosi is wearing an exceptionally stylish coat? https://t.co/Sug4S66BRt

— Bronwen Dickey (@BronwenDickey) December 11, 2018

Has anybody figured what coat this is she’s wearing? I waited to ask this question, let the seriousness of the situation be properly discussed but... that color is LEGIT and we need to know this https://t.co/hfF6IZL5Yg

— Barry Jenkins (@BarryJenkins) December 12, 2018

Btw, I loved Nancy Pelosi's red coat. Those high buttons across the neck are boss. Iconic imagery, yesterday. pic.twitter.com/hHSAPnQi3Y

— Kevin Baron (@DefenseBaron) December 12, 2018

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/13/18139472/nancy-pelosi-red-coat-max-mara-reissue

21 hours ago

Max Mara coat is so popular ...

vox.com

 

18 hours ago

Max Mara Coat Is Being Re-Issued ...

people.com

 

a day ago

Nancy Pelosi and 'Big Coat Energy ...

bostonglobe.com

 

a day ago

Buy Nancy Pelosi's Red Coat ...

bustle.com

 

a day ago

[Nanker]

Stand firm against these obstructionist Democrats Mr. President! Shut down the government for as long as it takes. Do not bend to their perniciousness.

They oh so willingly forced Obamacare down our throats at tremendous cost to the nation and our healthcare system.

They are hypocrites of the first order of magnitude. They are denying you this only because they perceive it as a political "win" for you if you get the wall done.

[3rdnlng]

29 minutes ago, Nanker said:

Stand firm against these obstructionist Democrats Mr. President! Shut down the government for as long as it takes. Do not bend to their perniciousness.

They oh so willingly forced Obamacare down our throats at tremendous cost to the nation and our healthcare system.

They are hypocrites of the first order of magnitude. They are denying you this only because they perceive it as a political "win" for you if you get the wall done.

Exactly.

[Kevbeau]

1 hour ago, Tiberius said:

Almost immediately, Pelosi emerging from the White House became a meme, with everyone from Pentagon reporters to Moonlight director Barry Jenkins gushing over the coat as a power move:

Putting politics aside for a second, can we all agree that Pelosi is wearing an exceptionally stylish coat? https://t.co/Sug4S66BRt

— Bronwen Dickey (@BronwenDickey) December 11, 2018

Has anybody figured what coat this is she’s wearing? I waited to ask this question, let the seriousness of the situation be properly discussed but... that color is LEGIT and we need to know this https://t.co/hfF6IZL5Yg

— Barry Jenkins (@BarryJenkins) December 12, 2018

Btw, I loved Nancy Pelosi's red coat. Those high buttons across the neck are boss. Iconic imagery, yesterday. pic.twitter.com/hHSAPnQi3Y

— Kevin Baron (@DefenseBaron) December 12, 2018

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2018/12/13/18139472/nancy-pelosi-red-coat-max-mara-reissue

21 hours ago

Max Mara coat is so popular ...

vox.com

 

18 hours ago

Max Mara Coat Is Being Re-Issued ...

people.com

 

a day ago

Nancy Pelosi and 'Big Coat Energy ...

bostonglobe.com

 

a day ago

Buy Nancy Pelosi's Red Coat ...

bustle.com

 

a day ago

Looks like a Snuggie 

[Nanker]

And the same sort of people mock the First Lady and her apparel. 

[DC Tom]

1 hour ago, Kevbeau said:

Looks like a Snuggie 

 

Looks like she raided Hillary's wardrobe.

41 minutes ago, Nanker said:

And the same sort of people mock the First Lady and her apparel. 

 

Pretty sure Melania was mocked for wearing a similar jacket.  

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

23 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 

Donald Trump 2013: "When they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They're not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who's running things in Washington.

 

Donald Trump Early 2018: " Democrats are holding our Military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal immigration. Can't let that happen!'   'They could have easily made a deal but decided to play Shutdown politics instead"

 

Donald Trump December 11 2018: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck," the president said. "So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not gonna blame you for it. The last time you shut it down it didn't work. I will take the mantle of shutting down.

Donald Trump December 13th 2018: Democrats are only doing this to play politics! Let's not do a shutdown Democrats!

 

How anyone here is able to ignore how much this man talks out of his ass is beyond me.

[Buffalo_Gal]

22 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

 

Donald Trump 2013: "When they talk about the government shutdown, they're going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time. They're not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who's running things in Washington.

 

Donald Trump Early 2018: " Democrats are holding our Military hostage over their desire to have unchecked illegal immigration. Can't let that happen!'   'They could have easily made a deal but decided to play Shutdown politics instead"

 

Donald Trump December 11 2018: "I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck," the president said. "So I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not gonna blame you for it. The last time you shut it down it didn't work. I will take the mantle of shutting down.

Donald Trump December 13th 2018: Democrats are only doing this to play politics! Let's not do a shutdown Democrats!

 

How anyone here is able to ignore how much this man talks out of his ass is beyond me.

If you took a poll of this group, my guess is most of the people here would be cheering a government shutdown. It is unlikely you will see a shutdown that causes maximum pain on the general populous while costing more to incur that pain *cough*Obama*cough*. 

Trump is a negotiator. Everyone does not have to like everything he says or does. Right now, the ball is in the Democrats court... Chuckie gets nine D Senators to vote for  $5B in wall funding, and the government stays "open". Chuckie doesn't, and things get worse as the new House will not have the votes to fund a government as their whole platform will be #resist. And, they will still need D votes in the Senate after the new House is installed in January.

No matter how anyone would like to spin this what is needed is this equation:  wall funding + D Senate votes = government stays "open". 

[plenzmd1]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

If you took a poll of this group, my guess is most of the people here would be cheering a government shutdown. It is unlikely you will see a shutdown that causes maximum pain on the general populous while costing more to incur that pain *cough*Obama*cough*. 

Trump is a negotiator. Everyone does not have to like everything he says or does. Right now, the ball is in the Democrats court... Chuckie gets nine D Senators to vote for  $5B in wall funding, and the government stays "open". Chuckie doesn't, and things get worse as the new House will not have the votes to fund a government as their whole platform will be #resist. And, they will still need D votes in the Senate after the new House is installed in January.

No matter how anyone would like to spin this what is needed is this equation:  wall funding + D Senate votes = government stays "open". 

I am not quite 100% sure of your position here. Is it that Trump should get 100% of want he wants..no questions asked..or he shuts down the government?

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, plenzmd1 said:

I am not quite 100% sure of your position here. Is it that Trump should get 100% of want he wants..no questions asked..or he shuts down the government?

But he's not getting what he wants. His original ask was four or five times this ask. 

[Chandemonium]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

If you took a poll of this group, my guess is most of the people here would be cheering a government shutdown. It is unlikely you will see a shutdown that causes maximum pain on the general populous while costing more to incur that pain *cough*Obama*cough*. 

Trump is a negotiator. Everyone does not have to like everything he says or does. Right now, the ball is in the Democrats court... Chuckie gets nine D Senators to vote for  $5B in wall funding, and the government stays "open". Chuckie doesn't, and things get worse as the new House will not have the votes to fund a government as their whole platform will be #resist. And, they will still need D votes in the Senate after the new House is installed in January.

No matter how anyone would like to spin this what is needed is this equation:  wall funding + D Senate votes = government stays "open". 

Heck, I think we should be operating in “shutdown” mode all the time. A shutdown only effects non-essential activities, and if it’s not essential, it should be outside the purview of the federal government. 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

But he's not getting what he wants. His original ask was four or five times this ask. 

but is your premise that if he does not get  want he wants, on any issue..the result should be a government shutdown? 

 

Does not matter what  his ask was..that means nothing..just cause someone says I want  you to buy a rotten egg for $1,000 , and then agrees to sell it to you for $.25 , that is not a compromise....it is still worth nothing 

[Buffalo_Gal]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

but is your premise that if he does not get  want he wants, on any issue..the result should be a government shutdown? 

 

Does not matter what  his ask was..that means nothing..just cause someone says I want  you to buy a rotten egg for $1,000 , and then agrees to sell it to you for $.25 , that is not a compromise....it is still worth nothing 

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Any issue is quite broad. On this issue, my answer would be yes. 

[plenzmd1]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Any issue is quite broad. On this issue, my answer would be yes. 

I would then ask the question..how do you determine the right issues? 

 

Why can't he shut down Mexico instead, they are the ones backing out of their commitment to fund the wall no?

[Buffalo_Gal]

2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

I would then ask the question..how do you determine the right issues? 

 

Why can't he shut down Mexico instead, they are the ones backing out of their commitment to fund the wall no?

Mexico did shut down their border. Link 
 

[boyst]

19 minutes ago, Chandemonium said:

Heck, I think we should be operating in “shutdown” mode all the time. A shutdown only effects non-essential activities, and if it’s not essential, it should be outside the purview of the federal government. 

Federal parks are the only thing that irk me. 

 

17 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

but is your premise that if he does not get  want he wants, on any issue..the result should be a government shutdown? 

 

Does not matter what  his ask was..that means nothing..just cause someone says I want  you to buy a rotten egg for $1,000 , and then agrees to sell it to you for $.25 , that is not a compromise....it is still worth nothing 

What part of the shut down scares you?  It will not impact your life or most of American Life just the same as Trump being president affects next to no one.

 

Trump is only one small figure with the greatest opportunity to make a difference and at what point will spending be adjusted?  He's doing a horse trade with a horse face and a mule. Nancy and Chuck are too proud and too stupid to win this without losing more ground because most of America doesn't care about a shut down.

 

Which is why your rotten egg analogy is poor. A rotten egg is still a rotten egg and has worth to someone somewhere so long as it is a bargaining chip. Trump holds every chip right now just like Obama did during the last shutdown and it looked poorly on the GOP in the last shut down. Where Trump will likely win out is when he continues to use his foolishness to talk the Twitter game and call them out while being too much in check to use EO's around whatever nonsense can't be governed successfully. Obama's fiat rule of law pronouned in EO is no more and Trump would be wise to not continue that fools [erasing] legacy.

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Mexico did shut down their border. Link 
 

i was just busting..but Trump did promise us Mexico would pay right? I mean your anger should either be pointed at Trump or Mexico..not the folks who are not caving.

 

btw, I am fine with a wall.. I don't know if it will work or not...but we are not exactly talking any kind of real money here. I know folks who like Trump want us who don't to ignore his words and tweets, but unfortunately, that is not reality. And I am talking about the words he uses when talking about immigration, not silly Mexico thing

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

12 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

i was just busting..but Trump did promise us Mexico would pay right? I mean your anger should either be pointed at Trump or Mexico..not the folks who are not caving.

 

btw, I am fine with a wall.. I don't know if it will work or not...but we are not exactly talking any kind of real money here. I know folks who like Trump want us who don't to ignore his words and tweets, but unfortunately, that is not reality. And I am talking about the words he uses when talking about immigration, not silly Mexico thing

 

 

I'm not angry. I am fascinated. The Trump presidency is the most interesting I have seen in my lifetime. I can't wait to see if the Ds make the same mistakes the Rs made with Clinton (those that fail to learn from history...). I watch daily as he exposes the "deep state" (unelected bureaucracy) and MSM (for the partisan hacks that they are). I admire his strength and courage in the face of so many that only want him to fail - to the detriment of the United States. I know I would not have the resolve to stand up to all that he has on behalf of the American people.

As far as Mexico would pay... there are many ways to "pay" for something. A direct hand-off of money. Tariffs. Less purchasing of goods, etc., etc. Many people take the word "pay" as a literal "I'm handing over $25B in cash."  And, maybe that is the way Trump originally meant it. Myself? I think he meant "pay" in other ways and not as a direct cash payment, but reasonable people can certainly disagree with that take. 

Edited December 15, 2018 by Buffalo_Gal

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

As far as Mexico would pay... there are many ways to "pay" for something. A direct hand-off of money. Tariffs. Less purchasing of goods, etc., etc. Many people take the word "pay" as a literal "I'm handing over $25B in cash."  And, maybe that is the way Trump originally meant it. Myself? I think he meant "pay" in other ways and not as a direct cash payment, but reasonable people can certainly disagree with that take. 

 

Cmon @Buffalo_Gal , that sounds suspiciously like "alternative facts" no. You blast the previous government(maybe rightly so) for being duplicitous and not being upfront with the American people, yet find an interpretive reason for every falsehood this guy utters. Please tell me the difference outside ya like ya guy and despise the other? 

 

If this government gets shut down, it will rightly be called the Trump shutdown....it will be him pouting over losing a silly political battle, while his party controls all 3 branches mind you, and it really comes down to the words he used. If he had not been so boastful about Mexico paying, not using such offensive terms like breeding, the idea of a wall would not be toxic at all..we are talking $5B...even his $30B with the way these drunken sailors of both parties like to spend is nothing.

 

that would be like me walking away from a $1M deal cause someone wanted 31 day payment terms instead of 30. 

 

btw heading to DC to see the fellas play..I enjoy the conversation and hope to continue..but offline prolly till late tonight!

 

Go Sabres!!

Edited December 15, 2018 by plenzmd1

[ExiledInIllinois]

Trump Shutdown.  Does he even know how shutdowns work?  What a Deplorable Snowflake.

 

What's the point if essential employees are still working through?  Services interruption to the public aren't happening.

 

Shutdowns are a joke and big waste of money.  I have been working with the Fed for almost 30 years and was never sent home.

 

If they want a real shutdown, send everybody home.

 

Shutdowns are for pencil-pushers, desk jockeys that can be sent home.  Funny thing is, they get sent home for a paid vacation.  After the last shutdown, they came back and got paid anyway.

 

So yes, I am hoping for a Trump shutdown that everybody goes home.  Let's see if it lasts more than 15 minutes.

 

Disco Donny needs to be a real man and nut up.  Shut the whole freaking machine down.  How can he attach his name to a shutdown, call it a "Trump Shutdown" when it's clearly such a wussy effort.

 

No pain, No gain.  What a sh *t stain of a name: Trump Shutdown.

 

 

2 hours ago, Chandemonium said:

Heck, I think we should be operating in “shutdown” mode all the time. A shutdown only effects non-essential activities, and if it’s not essential, it should be outside the purview of the federal government. 

Yeah... But people still get paid!

 

Last shutdown, the Republican Congress still paid the non-essential activities back pay!

 

Go figure.

Edited December 15, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 hour ago, plenzmd1 said:

Cmon @Buffalo_Gal , that sounds suspiciously like "alternative facts" no. You blast the previous government(maybe rightly so) for being duplicitous and not being upfront with the American people, yet find an interpretive reason for every falsehood this guy utters. Please tell me the difference outside ya like ya guy and despise the other? 

 

If this government gets shut down, it will rightly be called the Trump shutdown....it will be him pouting over losing a silly political battle, while his party controls all 3 branches mind you, and it really comes down to the words he used. If he had not been so boastful about Mexico paying, not using such offensive terms like breeding, the idea of a wall would not be toxic at all..we are talking $5B...even his $30B with the way these drunken sailors of both parties like to spend is nothing.

 

that would be like me walking away from a $1M deal cause someone wanted 31 day payment terms instead of 30. 

 

btw heading to DC to see the fellas play..I enjoy the conversation and hope to continue..but offline prolly till late tonight!

 

Go Sabres!!

A "silly political battle"? If you consider the sovereignty of our nation (and that is what strong borders do - protects from "invasions") a silly battle, I'm afraid we will not come to any sort of an agreement on this issue.  I consider a non-porous border to be of paramount importance.  And the United States has needed a "wall" for eons. If it takes a Trump shutdown of the government, so be it. I will be cheering him on. 

 

*******

 

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Trump Shutdown.  Does he even know how shutdowns work?  What a Deplorable Snowflake.

 

What's the point if essential employees are still working through?  Services interruption to the public aren't happening.

 

Shutdowns are a joke and big waste of money.  I have been working with the Fed for almost 30 years and was never sent home.

 

If they want a real shutdown, send everybody home.

 

Shutdowns are for pencil-pushers, desk jockeys that can be sent home.  Funny thing is, they get sent home for a paid vacation.  After the last shutdown, they came back and got paid anyway.

 

So yes, I am hoping for a Trump shutdown that everybody goes home.  Let's see if it lasts more than 15 minutes.

 

Disco Donny needs to be a real man and nut up.  Shut the whole freaking machine down.  How can he attach his name to a shutdown, call it a "Trump Shutdown" when it's clearly such a wussy effort.

 

No pain, No gain.  What a sh *t stain of a name: Trump Shutdown.

 

 

Yeah... But people still get paid!

 

Last shutdown, the Republican Congress still paid the non-essential activities back pay!

 

Go figure.

I am fairly certain you are being extreme to prove some sort of a point, and not to be duplicitous.  As you know, a full "shutdown" of the government cannot happen as we need the military,  courts, etc.  While non-essential government employees have been paid in the past (and will probably continue to do so as neither party has a spine), I wish the time was taken to comb through the "non-essentials" to see how many could be eliminated - and then do it!! But, as I said, neither party has a spine and they all want to get re-elected, so it will not happen. Which sucks.

[/dev/null]

1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Last shutdown, the Republican Congress still paid the non-essential activities back pay!

With interest.  Which means they essentially got a paid vacation with a bonus

[B-Man]

The press put another Pulitzer-worthy effort this week into blowing the President Trump White House down. His chief of staff is leaving! His turncoat lawyer was sentenced! Mueller is looking into into the inauguration spending!

Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy.

Trump is going to be frog-marched and perp-walked and impeached and Trump Tower will be razed and Ivanka will be pimped.

But then the reality set in. President Trump summoned Pelosi and Schumer to the White House, and President Trump shamed them in front of a national audience.

 

 

Go ahead and shut down government, he said. I will build the wall anyway.

His actual words were priceless: "I'll tell you what, I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. So, I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."

Schumer could only hang his head.

Liberals see what has happened to them. There is no Russian collusion to impeach him on. Stormy Daniels won't bring him down. Bungling Bob Mueller increasingly is desperate, casting his net wider and wider in a desperate attempt to grab something -- anything -- that will bring President Trump down.

The media that is at Mueller's beck and call continues to show its willingness to walk over its grandmother to get Donald John Trump dis-elected. But it is to no avail.

Friday morning you had Michael Cohen being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos about Mueller's premise that paying off hookers somehow violates campaign laws and voids the 2016 election.

Stephanopoulos built his career by getting the press to overlook Bill Clinton's bimbo eruptions.

But this is not 1992. We are 26 years down the road and three broadcast networks and one cable outlet no longer control the news.

The Washington Post gamely flails away. "Trump's latest rage-tweets expose the depth of his own corruption!"

"After Trump's meltdown over his wall, Democrats cannot give any ground!"

"The campaign finance threat to Trump just got more severe!"

"7 quotes that show how blatant the Trump hush money coverup was!"

"Trump's claim that he didn't violate campaign finance law is weak — and dangerous!"

All that hyperventilating all the time is exhausting. Liberals keep getting their hopes up, and keep getting their hopes crushed.

The last time Nancy and Chuck met with The Donald at the White House, back in September 2017, they claimed he caved on the wall and was going to sign immigration reform.

This week, he made sure the negotiations were very public and very humiliating. Tails are tucked between legs because the Big Dog needs space.

Retiring Republican Senator Orrin Hatch told CNN, "I don't care, all I can say is he's doing a good job as president."

What?

Hatch said, "The Democrats will do anything to hurt this president. What happened before he was elected president is one thing, but since he’s been elected the economy’s done well, our country is moving ahead. We’re in better shape than when we were before he became president. And I think we ought to judge him on that basis."

Liberals know this.

 

https://donsurber.blogspot.com/2018/12/libs-brace-for-another-humiliation.html

[ExiledInIllinois]

16 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

With interest.  Which means they essentially got a paid vacation with a bonus

Yep.

 

Last shutdown we paid overtime.  I actually made overtime!

[B-Man]

TRUMP SPRANG THREE TRAPS ON PELOSI AND SCHUMER ON WEDNESDAY:

Never forget that Trump was the most successful producer of reality television in the history of the medium.  He understands drama and a story arc.  Chuck Schumer leading a Senate filibuster right before Christmas to stymie border protection is exactly the story Trump wants the nation’s TV-viewers to absorb.

 

Read the whole thing.

 

 

 

.

[ExiledInIllinois]

50 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

A "silly political battle"? If you consider the sovereignty of our nation (and that is what strong borders do - protects from "invasions") a silly battle, I'm afraid we will not come to any sort of an agreement on this issue.  I consider a non-porous border to be of paramount importance.  And the United States has needed a "wall" for eons. If it takes a Trump shutdown of the government, so be it. I will be cheering him on. 

 

*******

 

I am fairly certain you are being extreme to prove some sort of a point, and not to be duplicitous.  As you know, a full "shutdown" of the government cannot happen as we need the military,  courts, etc.  While non-essential government employees have been paid in the past (and will probably continue to do so as neither party has a spine), I wish the time was taken to comb through the "non-essentials" to see how many could be eliminated - and then do it!! But, as I said, neither party has a spine and they all want to get re-elected, so it will not happen. Which sucks.

Difference between "may" and "can."

 

Yes it "can" happen, but it "may" not.

 

Just don't pay anyone.  It's happened in the past. Force the essentials to work "for the good of the country."

 

A few skipped paychecks will send the message, especially overseas.  Those Direct Deposits don't hit back Stateside, people will figure out who to blame.

10 minutes ago, B-Man said:

TRUMP SPRANG THREE TRAPS ON PELOSI AND SCHUMER ON WEDNESDAY:

Never forget that Trump was the most successful producer of reality television in the history of the medium.  He understands drama and a story arc.  Chuck Schumer leading a Senate filibuster right before Christmas to stymie border protection is exactly the story Trump wants the nation’s TV-viewers to absorb.

 

Read the whole thing.

 

 

 

.

If Disco Donny wasn't a sitting President he'd be packing his soap-on-the-rope right about now.

 

Ironic, they wanted to "lock Her up"...  Donny's like the husband that accuses his wife of cheating and he's the cheater all along!

 

This will come soon enough:

 

 

Edited December 15, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois

[IDBillzFan]

5 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

I am not quite 100% sure of your position here. Is it that Trump should get 100% of want he wants..no questions asked..or he shuts down the government?

 

On any issue? No.

 

On this issue? Yes. It's worth the fight. It's why he got elected. To build a wall. Not to mention, everyone knows shutting down the government means nothing. My hope would be that Trump would at least not be such a monstrous douche as to kick vets out of national monuments because that's very, very petty and you need to be a huge douche to do something that stupid to make a point.

[/dev/null]

55 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

 

 

 

 

Ivanka Trump + prison = Rule #34

[plenzmd1]

1 hour ago, LABillzFan said:

 

On any issue? No.

 

On this issue? Yes. It's worth the fight. It's why he got elected. To build a wall. Not to mention, everyone knows shutting down the government means nothing. My hope would be that Trump would at least not be such a monstrous douche as to kick vets out of national monuments because that's very, very petty and you need to be a huge douche to do something that stupid to make a point.

 

for you and @Buffalo_Gal , why is it THIS issue to you is worth the shutdown? Why not deficit reduction? Why not entitlement reform? Why not better outcomes for our veterans?

 

 

 

What is it specifically that makes the wall, not immigration reform..so important. Remember, Trump is only threatening the Trump shutdown over funding for a wall..not meaningful immigration reform 

 

 

59 minutes ago, /dev/null said:

 

Ivanka Trump + prison = Rule #34

Urban dictionary is my friend! I had no clue what this meant!!!

 

BTW, i am signing up to a corrections officer on Ivanka's block...just the small chance to see her naked in the shower is all the hope I would need!!! 

Edited December 15, 2018 by plenzmd1

[3rdnlng]

31 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

for you and @Buffalo_Gal , why is it THIS issue to you is worth the shutdown? Why not deficit reduction? Why not entitlement reform? Why not better outcomes for our veterans?

 

 

 

What is it specifically that makes the wall, not immigration reform..so important. Remember, Trump is only threatening the Trump shutdown over funding for a wall..not meaningful immigration reform 

 

 

Urban dictionary is my friend! I had no clue what this meant!!!

 

BTW, i am signing up to a corrections officer on Ivanka's block...just the small chance to see her naked in the shower is all the hope I would need!!! 

The wall, DACA, chain migration and the lottery are all connected. Trump has offered a DACA  fix for 1.8 million people when the left was asking for that fix for 700k. Amnesty was given to a ton of illegals way back in Reagan's time with the promise of securing the border. The same bs was attempted during 43's time with the Gang of Eight and the right said no f'n way are you gonna fool us again. The issue here is that the left doesn't want to solve the problem, they want the issue for political reasons. The wall would be a large feather in Trump's cap and the left just can't allow him to fulfill a promise.   

[Doc Brown]

I always wonder what these numbers would be if Trump wasn't president and made it the core promise of his campaign.

 

[plenzmd1]

11 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

The wall, DACA, chain migration and the lottery are all connected. Trump has offered a DACA  fix for 1.8 million people when the left was asking for that fix for 700k. Amnesty was given to a ton of illegals way back in Reagan's time with the promise of securing the border. The same bs was attempted during 43's time with the Gang of Eight and the right said no f'n way are you gonna fool us again. The issue here is that the left doesn't want to solve the problem, they want the issue for political reasons. The wall would be a large feather in Trump's cap and the left just can't allow him to fulfill a promise.   

That’s exactly right in terms of a large feather in Trumps cap..so in other words for silly political reasons @Buffalo_Gal  

 

teue inmigration redorm and the walk have very little to do with each other.. Trump wants a win for a win sake and to say I told ya so,, Dems want to say no so he has a loss. 

 

Neither believe the wall has any appreciable effect on the problem either way, especially @ $ 5B. 

 

I would have have more respect if he was not using this as a political stunt and stuck to his guns and tied a fully funded wall and immigration reform to this silly posturing, but all he wants and cares about is the win.. as do the dems

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

That’s exactly right in terms of a large feather in Trumps cap..so in other words for silly political reasons @Buffalo_Gal  

 

teue inmigration redorm and the walk have very little to do with each other.. Trump wants a win for a win sake and to say I told ya so,, Dems want to say no so he has a loss. 

 

Neither believe the wall has any appreciable effect on the problem either way, especially @ $ 5B. 

 

I would have have more respect if he was not using this as a political stunt and stuck to his guns and tied a fully funded wall and immigration reform to this silly posturing, but all he wants and cares about is the win.. as do the dems

 

The wall is about human trafficking (and smuggling in general) much more than it's about immigration reform. That's an argument the media won't let people make, because it requires understanding that people in DC against the wall have been profiting from keeping the border porous (profiting in terms of campaign support/donations, and protection from the establishment media). 

 

A wall on the southern border would cut trafficking lanes down immensely. Why is the military on the border now? It's not to deter the caravan, it's to provide logistical support to ICE/BP/DHS as they work to shut down trafficking routes. But again, that won't be reported... yet if you talk to the people stationed there and look at the actual work being done, you'd find it to be the truth.

[3rdnlng]

11 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

That’s exactly right in terms of a large feather in Trumps cap..so in other words for silly political reasons @Buffalo_Gal  

 

teue inmigration redorm and the walk have very little to do with each other.. Trump wants a win for a win sake and to say I told ya so,, Dems want to say no so he has a loss. 

 

Neither believe the wall has any appreciable effect on the problem either way, especially @ $ 5B. 

 

I would have have more respect if he was not using this as a political stunt and stuck to his guns and tied a fully funded wall and immigration reform to this silly posturing, but all he wants and cares about is the win.. as do the dems

Trump won the election because of his call for building a wall. He wants the wall because it is an effective way to nearly eliminate illegal crossings. People on the left who have always been for a wall are now fighting it because they view wall funding as a win for Trump. I view it as a win for America. Trump has offered an immigration fix and the left has fought it because they don't want to lose the issue.

 

You must have some very fat fingers.

[snafu]

56 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

The wall is about human trafficking (and smuggling in general) much more than it's about immigration reform. That's an argument the media won't let people make, because it requires understanding that people in DC against the wall have been profiting from keeping the border porous (profiting in terms of campaign support/donations, and protection from the establishment media). 

 

A wall on the southern border would cut trafficking lanes down immensely. Why is the military on the border now? It's not to deter the caravan, it's to provide logistical support to ICE/BP/DHS as they work to shut down trafficking routes. But again, that won't be reported... yet if you talk to the people stationed there and look at the actual work being done, you'd find it to be the truth.

 

This is most likely true, and it is a great reason for tight border security.  However, the conversation was about Trump's use of illegal immigration and the impact that undocumented individuals have on our resources as THE reason for a wall.  He campaigned on that premise, not human trafficking.  He could, and should, make both arguments.

 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Trump just wants to stop immigration because his base is the minority.  It keeps the minority in power.

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1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said:

You must have some very fat fingers.