Is Brian Daboll a HC candidate in Green Bay?

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

The NFC Championship is a championship and its ok that you dont hang a banner for it because there are 32 NFL clubs that do.  Maybe the Packers will consult with you first tho.

They hung a banner for a guy who actually won the Superbowl, and just fired him. Don’t think they care that Jim won a conference 5 years ago and nothing since. You referenced his other “appearance” as well in the conference championship game as some great feat, which is what I was actually referring to. Rex had 2 appearances too, he should be considered! They are a lot alike. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They hung a banner for a guy who actually won the Superbowl, and just fired him. Don’t think they care that Jim won a conference 5 years ago and nothing since. You referenced his other “appearance” as well in the conference championship game as some great feat, which is what I was actually referring to. Rex had 2 appearances too, he should be considered! They are a lot alike. 

Don’t consider Harbaugh!! He needs to stay at Michigan!!

[Chris66]

4 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

McDaniels will be the next HC of the Patriots. The Packers should go after Marvin Lewis from Cincinnati. He always makes the playoffs with a middling QB in Andy Dalton. Give Marvin Lewis a top 5 QB in Rodgers and he will wipe the floor with the NFL.

My bet is McDaniels is the next hc in Cleveland..

1 hour ago, JAMIEBUF12 said:

I would think Mcdaniels would be not considered after he handled his last non coaching hire leaving a team at the alter when he gave his word he would take the job?

Any OC worth his salt will have teams falling over themselves to be a hc.

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

They hung a banner for a guy who actually won the Superbowl, and just fired him. Don’t think they care that Jim won a conference 5 years ago and nothing since. You referenced his other “appearance” as well in the conference championship game as some great feat, which is what I was actually referring to. Rex had 2 appearances too, he should be considered! They are a lot alike. 

As far as McCarthy's Superbowl he had Rogers.  Rex lost the lockerroom and couldnt get the players he needed.  Most of the time coaches dont get enough time to build the team especialy when they are in a power struggle with the GM.

 

I hadnt thought about Rex as head coach in GB.  I wonder how he would do if he had a QB and was given time to aquire players that bought in.?

[T master]

I don't think so with McDaniel & the other younger HC ing prospects that are out there not to mention Dabol is in his home town so it would have to be one heck of a offer to get him up there but he would be use to the cold & the snow ...

[stuvian]

if they canned McCarthy now so as to get a jump on candidates they likely want someone they won't have to wait for the playoffs to play out for. 

If Daboll fits, wear it

[Mr. WEO]

Rooney candidate?

 

 

 

Anyway--it's Jim Harbaugh.  He's probably the only one who can deal with Rodgers.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

....sure sounds like ex-Fin HC Philbin is being pretty assertive as interim HC (cough).....should be a big difference maker..........

 

Rob Demovsky ESPN Staff Writer 8:59 AM ET

 

GREEN BAY, Wis. -- Two days after he was named interim head coach, Joe Philbin fired a longtime member of the Packers coaching staff.

 

Associate head coach Winston Moss, who also coached outside linebackers, was let go on Tuesday. The decision was Philbin's

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I remember Greg Roman being a popular pick in the 2015-2016 offseason.  He didn't get any traction and we fired him like a week into 2016.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, dneveu said:

I remember Greg Roman being a popular pick in the 2015-2016 offseason.  He didn't get any traction and we fired him like a week into 2016.

Roman was the best OC this team has had in a while.  Talk about a scapegoat.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm

[billsfan89]

I doubt it but then I thought Lynn wouldn't get a coaching job and he did. Who knows what makes a coaching candidate hot on the market. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Roman was the best OC this team has had in a while.  Talk about a scapegoat.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm

 

He wasn't without his faults.  Too many formations, too many plays, it always seemed like the plays were getting in super late which leads to penalties.  And before you blame Tyrod, he had that problem with Alex Smith and CK in SF.  

 

Dabolls units have had penalties in pre-snap but they seem to have mostly cleaned that up.  The O-line has been brutal with penalties recently though.

[YoloinOhio]

On 12/4/2018 at 1:28 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Don’t consider Harbaugh!! He needs to stay at Michigan!!

Correct. These rumors are bad for recruiting (ours). We want the recruits to think he’s staying! ?

 

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 12/3/2018 at 8:40 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Just saw this tweet and it looks like Vegas thinks he’s a candidate?

 

 

Thoughts???

 

Surprised  John H isn’t higher on the list. Could be a fit?

 

McD didn’t want luck, would he want Rodgers? I think he’s staying put to inherit the Pats anyway. 

 

I’m good with whatever aside from Dabol(need some OC stability). As from that It’s IceBowls call

 

Edited December 6, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Royale with Cheese]

Just as long as he doesn't go to Miami or New York....stay at Michigan or head to Green Bay!

[BADOLBILZ]

On 12/5/2018 at 1:22 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Roman was the best OC this team has had in a while.  Talk about a scapegoat.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm

 

 

Probably.......perhaps inarguably......... the best run game designer of this generation in the NFL.

 

As a play caller..........too indecisive.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Probably.......perhaps inarguably......... the best run game designer of this generation in the NFL.

 

As a play caller..........too indecisive.  

And completely clueless when it comes to the passing game and route combinations.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

And completely clueless when it comes to the passing game and route combinations.

 

 

Yeah it's amazing to me that he can have such an advanced vision of the run game and no feel for the passing game..........it's hard to understand.

[C.Biscuit97]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

And completely clueless when it comes to the passing game and route combinations.

Tyrod has the best passing season of his career under Roman. In fact, he never was close to that year.

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Tyrod has the best passing season of his career under Roman. In fact, he never was close to that year.

Roman did not design the passing offense. Try again.

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Roman did not design the passing offense. Try again.

 

Was that Chris Palmer?

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Was that Chris Palmer?

It was Palmer & Lee, with some minor input from Lal

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...should hire Olivia Munn....that will shake Rogers up a tad...............

[BillsFan1988]

On 12/4/2018 at 3:40 AM, Kirby Jackson said:

Just saw this tweet and it looks like Vegas thinks he’s a candidate?

 

 

Thoughts???

Joe Lombardi should be on this list.

[SectionC3]

If Allen finishes strong I have to think Daboll would be a candidate for a jets opening.  Not sure about history with their front office, but the guy has brought Allen along the right way and the jets could help themselves and hurt us at the same time with that hire. 

[GunnerBill]

On 12/4/2018 at 7:02 PM, formerlyofCtown said:

 

I hadnt thought about Rex as head coach in GB.  I wonder how he would do if he had a QB and was given time to aquire players that bought in.?

 

Oo oo I know, pick me, pick me........ the answer is badly. 

11 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Probably.......perhaps inarguably......... the best run game designer of this generation in the NFL.

 

As a play caller..........too indecisive.  

 

Definitely the best run game coordinator of his generation. And everywhere he goes they start to run it well. As a game day play caller yea, indecision sometimes cost him. I think too many plays cost him too. When Lynn was running Roman's scheme he was doing it with a third fewer calls installed for each game.

11 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Was that Chris Palmer?

 

It was mainly Palmer yea, but Palmer was Roman's guy. He had him in San Fran too. 

[iinii]

3 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

If Allen finishes strong I have to think Daboll would be a candidate for a jets opening.  Not sure about history with their front office, but the guy has brought Allen along the right way and the jets could help themselves and hurt us at the same time with that hire. 

The grassy knoll is right behind you.

[SectionC3]

10 hours ago, iinii said:

The grassy knoll is right behind you.

This is a really dumb reply.  Truth of the matter is that Daboll has done a good job with Allen, and that offensive minds are in demand.  Everybody wants the next Sean McVay.  But that guy probably doesn’t exist.  Somebody like Daboll night be the next best thing.   Incredible pedigree, good job with a young QB this year, and a way to weaken a division rival to boot. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

On 12/5/2018 at 1:22 PM, C.Biscuit97 said:

Roman was the best OC this team has had in a while.  Talk about a scapegoat.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/RomaGr0.htm

which hearkens back to me saying it wasn't the OC but the QB.  

[reddogblitz]

I think it's a great idea.

 

I hope the Packers do it.

11 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

which hearkens back to me saying it wasn't the OC but the QB.  

 

It was the.Defense (or lack thereof).

[iinii]

On 12/7/2018 at 10:42 AM, SectionC3 said:

This is a really dumb reply.  Truth of the matter is that Daboll has done a good job with Allen, and that offensive minds are in demand.  Everybody wants the next Sean McVay.  But that guy probably doesn’t exist.  Somebody like Daboll night be the next best thing.   Incredible pedigree, good job with a young QB this year, and a way to weaken a division rival to boot. 

How about, it ain’t gonna happen? Is pedigree is all on paper. He worked with the Patriots and the GOAT. They both would have achieved the same thing with out him. He didn’t make Alabama the powerhouse it is either. So when he doesn’t get the HC job it will be you with the dumb reply. 

[Ittakestime]

Allen is the same QB as he was in College.

 

Please explain to me how Daboll has done anything with Allen?

 

I think Daboll is a decent coordinator, but it has more to do with what Barkley did, not Allen.

[SectionC3]

6 hours ago, iinii said:

How about, it ain’t gonna happen? Is pedigree is all on paper. He worked with the Patriots and the GOAT. They both would have achieved the same thing with out him. He didn’t make Alabama the powerhouse it is either. So when he doesn’t get the HC job it will be you with the dumb reply. 

Four points: 1.  I said he well could be a candidate, not that he would get the job.  2.  I didn’t come up with the “grassy knoll” thing.  I suppose this is subjective, but that reply isn’t funny or even comprehensible.  Better said, it was dumb.  3.  Who made what a powerhouse is immaterial.  The point remains that HC candidates who show the ability to develop a young QB will be at a premium as soon as this offseason given the number of younger QBs coming into the league.  4.  Working for saban and belichick isn’t merely paper pedigree.  They don’t suffer fools and he’s shown that he can hack it with the best. 

[iinii]

4 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

Four points: 1.  I said he well could be a candidate, not that he would get the job.  2.  I didn’t come up with the “grassy knoll” thing.  I suppose this is subjective, but that reply isn’t funny or even comprehensible.  Better said, it was dumb.  3.  Who made what a powerhouse is immaterial.  The point remains that HC candidates who show the ability to develop a young QB will be at a premium as soon as this offseason given the number of younger QBs coming into the league.  4.  Working for saban and belichick isn’t merely paper pedigree.  They don’t suffer fools and he’s shown that he can hack it with the best. 

So that is where we disagree. The conspiracy or “grassy knoll” doesn’t exist. The Jets aren’t taking Daboll so that they can have the best OC or HC in the Division, because IMO he (Daboll just so we are clear) isn’t. Who made the powerhouse is VERY material. The only way Daboll coaches a Super Bowl win as an HC is the Barry Switzer way. Feel free to quote me. Thanks. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I know it won’t happen but I wouldn’t mind promoting Dabol to HC here and bringing in an aggressive mind to coach the Defense. The league is going towards offensive head coaches and McDermott leaves a lot to be desired. I don’t want a complete house cleaning because I don’t want Allen to start over with a new system. In a perfect world McDermott just takes over the Defense, gets rid of Fraiser/Crossman and Castillo. Because I know he won’t get rid of them, I’d be fine with moving on from McDermott. The defense is decent but comes up small in every big spot. I like what Dabol is doing now and I don’t want to split the QB up from the OC.

[SectionC3]

9 hours ago, iinii said:

So that is where we disagree. The conspiracy or “grassy knoll” doesn’t exist. The Jets aren’t taking Daboll so that they can have the best OC or HC in the Division, because IMO he (Daboll just so we are clear) isn’t. Who made the powerhouse is VERY material. The only way Daboll coaches a Super Bowl win as an HC is the Barry Switzer way. Feel free to quote me. Thanks. 

 

Of course daboll isn’t the best oc in the Division.  It’s mcdaniels all day long. And, for what it’s worth, I never characterized daboll that way.  

 

 But you still haven’t addressed the point that daboll will be an attractive candidate for an HC job because he is a bright offensive mind who can “raise” a young QB properly.  

[Mrbojanglezs]

Looks like there is a St Francis high school connection with both Jacksonville and Green Bay management. So looks like the only reason he would be in the running is because of nepotism.

[SectionC3]

15 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

Looks like there is a St Francis high school connection with both Jacksonville and Green Bay management. So looks like the only reason he would be in the running is because of nepotism.

 

Hes not related to those guys (insofar as I know).  So it’s not nepotism.  Much as beane is here bc of a connection to McDermott, not because of nepotism. 

[iinii]

2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Of course daboll isn’t the best oc in the Division.  It’s mcdaniels all day long. And, for what it’s worth, I never characterized daboll that way.  

 

 But you still haven’t addressed the point that daboll will be an attractive candidate for an HC job because he is a bright offensive mind who can “raise” a young QB properly.  

You think Daboll has raised the kid properly? I don’t. He hasn’t ever shown that ability at this level so there is nothing to address. He didn’t raise Brady and when not holding Belichick’s, McDaniel’s or Saban’s clipboard has done nothing.  So no, Daboll is more fluff than talent. No matter what Vegas says, Daboll isn’t on anyone’s short list to be an HC. 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, iinii said:

You think Daboll has raised the kid properly? I don’t. He hasn’t ever shown that ability at this level so there is nothing to address. He didn’t raise Brady and when not holding Belichick’s, McDaniel’s or Saban’s clipboard has done nothing.  So no, Daboll is more fluff than talent. No matter what Vegas says, Daboll isn’t on anyone’s short list to be an HC. 

 

As a matter of fact, I do think Daboll is bringing the kid along properly.  Let’s start with the offensive design.  Daboll does stuff that makes it easy for Allen.  The kid is comfortable on his feet, so what do we do?  Spread the field and give him a little room to roam.  The yardage isn’t by accident.  Watch the all-22 when it comes out on the run that Allen ended with a slide at the +30.  Daboll takes a heavy package with 2TE and a FB, splits everyone out, moves the LBs to the edges of the field, and allows Allen to break of 20+ without anyone laying a finger on him.  That option went away when the Jets countered by feigning the A-gap blitzes in the second half.  

 

Let’s walk back to the Jacksonville game, too.  That’s a big, nasty defense.  So what does Daboll do?  Tight splits, condense the field toward the middle, and give the kid a little room on the outside to roam and to throw on roll outs.  

 

Play action is a young QB’s best friend.  While we’ve gone away from that the last couple of games, we’ve done a healthy amount of that with “levels” concepts mixed in.

 

To top it off, the kid doesn’t make the same mistakes twice.  It’s a sign of good coaching.  Remember the big shot on the left thigh he took against Jacksonville?  This week he’s sliding to end runs with his feet up to protect himself.  The kid also looks a lot more comfortable in the pocket — which is a reflection of the fact that he’s starting to understand what happens around him.  There’s a long way to go, but the “eye test” on the kid is light years beyond where it was early in the season.   

 

So yes, while he’s a work in progress I do think he’s being brought along properly.  And now I’ll turn it around on you - you’re entitled to your opinion that Daboll is “fluff,” but I’d like to hear your list of candidates of substance to fill HC openings where the principal task is to develop a young QB.  I’ll put the Jets, the Jags, the Browns, and perhaps even the Cardinals, the Ravens, and the Redskins (assuming Smith is done) on that list.