So our bust qb was responsible for nearly 400 yards of offense

[Maine-iac]

6 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Even Stevie Johnson would have probably made that catch.

 

[IDBillzFan]

5 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

How much longer are you gonna pretend Allen’s not a good QB ? 

 

I don't remember when it happened in the game, but the Bills were backed up to the end zone, 3rd and 12, Allen escapes pressure, rolls to his left and while he's running, he hits Zay Jones for a first down, with Jones essentially holding his toes in bound as he falls out of bounds.

 

If you watch that throw and still wonder if Allen will be a really good NFL QB, you're just lying to yourself.

 

There are things to learn and progress to be made and plenty to work on, but damn...the dude is going to be terrific for years to come.

[SectionC3]

3 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:

It also looked like a "perfect" throw would have been into the end zone.

Your view of what a perfect throw is also happens to be an IMPOSSIBLE throw.  Kind of like saying they should have kicked at the end of the first half. They threw because hauschka measured his range pregame and knew he couldn’t make it.  Same concept here.  The throw could not have been any better under the circumstances. 

[Doc]

43 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

By no means was the loss on Allen.  He was the reason we had a shot today.  He played great.  But that last pass was far from perfect.  He did the best he could. 

 

Sure it was perfect.  It hit Clay in the hands and he flat-out dropped it.

[iinii]

That running thing isn’t going to last forever.

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Even Stevie Johnson would have probably made that catch.

I think Robert royal might of as well

[jdonley1180]

he kept us in it and gave us a chance at the end.... what more can you ask for out of a Rookie QB?

[Mat68]

Jones or Clay make either play this is a different conversation.  Allen damn near went 90 yards with 0 times outs and 230 left on the road needing a TD.  

[Rico]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

I think Robert royal might of as well

Let's not get carried away now.

[BILLS55]

44 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

You blame the 4 point loss on Josh, when our kicker missed 4 points in game, our special teams gifted a fumble back to Miami deep in our zone, and josh hits clay in the end zone at the end of the game and he drops it? Got it. 

Thanks - I was worried that you didn't understand what I said.

[JTown]

42 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

Even Stevie Johnson would have probably made that catch.

 

I guarantee O'Leary would have made that catch.  Just saying.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Alphadawg7]

53 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

Who's pretending?

 

He's showing his inconsistencies in the passing game and using his legs to try to compensate, just like most other running QB's have done. What we're seeing here is nothing new, it has happened in the league before... How many turn out to be the franchise QB y'all are hoping for?

 

The fact you don’t know the difference between a running QB and a QB who looks to throw first but can use his legs when necessary is all we need to know about your analysis.  

 

Anyone calling Josh a “running” QB in the vein of TT or Vick has no idea what they are watching.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[oldmanfan]

54 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

Who's pretending?

 

He's showing his inconsistencies in the passing game and using his legs to try to compensate, just like most other running QB's have done. What we're seeing here is nothing new, it has happened in the league before... How many turn out to be the franchise QB y'all are hoping for?

Other than say Moon and Rogers and Wilson and Elway to a degree?

 

Your act is ridiculous at this point.  The 7 th start for the kid.  He makes plays, and that's what you need in a QB.

[quinnearlysghost88]

15 hours ago, BILLS55 said:

Thanks - I was worried that you didn't understand what I said.

No problem. Just qualifying your bad opinion.  Thanks for doubling down. 

[PeterDude]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

Other than say Moon and Rogers and Wilson and Elway to a degree?

 

Your act is ridiculous at this point.  The 7 th start for the kid.  He makes plays, and that's what you need in a QB.

He has about 1.5 seasons left to prove he can be consistant, good luck to him.

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

He has about 1.5 seasons left to prove he can be consistant, good luck to him.

 

More like good luck to you sticking around after you’re proven wrong.

[VW82]

1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Good luck with your crusade ??    

 

Only a jackass would have issues with Allen’s play today 

 

Why is that? Allen is above criticism? He made a lot of things happen out there today but ultimately we lost because we were only able to generate 17 points. That's not good enough and a big part of it was because Allen missed so many throws. It's ok to be excited and still see there are significant problems that need to be addressed. 

Edited December 2, 2018 by VW82

[PeterDude]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

More like good luck to you sticking around after you’re proven wrong.

 

I'm not the one with the burden of proof, I'll be here.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, VW82 said:

Why is that? Allen is above criticism? He made a lot of things happen out there today but ultimately we lost because we were only able to generate 17 points. That's not good enough and a big part of it was on Allen and all those missed throws. It's ok to be excited and still see there are significant problems that need to be addressed. 

 

And what about all the dropped passes including what would’ve been the game-winner? 

[PeterDude]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

And what about all the dropped passes including what would’ve been the game-winner? 

 

A better throw and it's very likely it's not dropped.

[Doc]

Just now, PeterDude said:

I'm not the one with the burden of proof, I'll be here.

 

For now, sure. You just joined three months ago.  You’ll be gone just as soon.

Just now, PeterDude said:

A better throw and it's very likely it's not dropped.

 

Even you could’ve caught that pass.

[PeterDude]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

For now, sure. You just joined three months ago.  You’ll be gone just as soon.

 

Even you could’ve caught that pass.

 

I would not have stopped running for one.  Not saying Clay wasn't useless on that play.  Still a bad pass though. Also, you should worry less about how long someone has been on a message board.  The issue at hand is Josh Allen, stay on topic.

Edited December 2, 2018 by PeterDude

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, VW82 said:

The announcers made reference to that. Personally I think it's BS. Even if he's stopping you still lead him a little because he needs time to decelerate. Besides, Josh was throwing behind Zay on cross routes all game. 

 

But even if we give that one to him, it's about the pattern over the whole year and the fact it isn't getting better. What's getting better is Allen is becoming more consistent making plays with his legs. He's routinely missing guys when he has time and they're open though. I don't care that it's only seven starts. That's enough time to understand what the issues are, and right now his accuracy is by far the biggest issue standing in the way of his development. That's not something QBs usually get dramatically better with. Let's hope Josh can beat the odds.   

 

Every QB misses throws.

 

I'm literally sitting here watching Red Zone, and in the Chiefs-Raiders game Patrick Mahomes just overthrew Tyreek HIll on back-to-back passes.  They flipped it over to Patriots-Vikings and Tom Brady immediately under-threw his receiver by about 5 yards (still caught).  Drew Brees is probably the most accurate QB I've ever seen, and he was missing lots of throws high on Thursday night.  Aaron Rodgers pretty much lost the Packers their game a week ago by overthrowing Adams in the endzone.

 

Honestly, I haven't seen a regular pattern of bad accuracy from Josh Allen this year. 

He seems to have 1-2 throws each week where misses an easy throw (usually because he doesn't set his feet).  But it's not a case where he just consistently struggles to get the ball on his receiver.  Many of his misses are way downfield where accuracy is spotty for everyone, or cases of miscommunication (see the Zay Jones play) with his receivers.  On the flip-side, you can see a handful of times each week that he can make perfect strikes 25-30 yards downfield and hit his guys in stride.

 

Now... EJ Manuel struggled with bad accuracy.  He almost NEVER hit receivers in stride.  He always forced them to stop in mid-route or stretch-out to make catches.  It wasn't a case where he sometimes failed in his mechanics.  It was a situation where he just didn't know how to throw an accurate football to a moving target.

 

 

 

 

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

I would not have stopped running for one.  Not saying Clay wasn't useless on that play.  Still a bad pass though.

The pass was NOT bad.....he was scrambling for his life threw the ball over his body to a completely uncovered TE who all he had to do was center field the catch......

 

Was it a laser like the rest of his passes?  No.....was it a spectacular throw...no....but it was NOT a bad pass

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

I would not have stopped running for one.  Not saying Clay wasn't useless on that play.  Still a bad pass though. Also, you should worry less about how long someone has been on a message board.  The issue at hand is Josh Allen, stay on topic.

 

Clay dropped the ball. Therefore it wasn’t a bad pass.  The quarterback’s job is to get the ball to the receiver whose job it is to catch the ball, especially when it hits him in his hands. 

 

And  you think I’m worried about you? LOL.

[PeterDude]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The pass was NOT bad.....he was scrambling for his life threw the ball over his body to a completely uncovered TE who all he had to do was center field the catch......

 

Was it a laser like the rest of his passes?  No.....was it a spectacular throw...no....but it was NOT a bad pass

 

The ball left his hand early and it fluttered/floated, the damn player even said so himself!  You guys are something else lmao. It left his hand wrong because his feet were not set, ya know, one of the knocks on him coming out of college...

Edited December 2, 2018 by PeterDude

[mjt328]

6 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

A better throw and it's very likely it's not dropped.

 

How many QBs in the NFL could run around the pocket that much, escaping defenders left and right... then make a perfect strike from 40+ yards out?

 

If Charles Clay doesn't trip over his own feet, he could have made that catch without diving.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, PeterDude said:

 

The ball left his hand early and it fluttered/floated, the damn player even said so himself!  You guys are something else lmao. It left his hand wrong because his feet were not set, ya know, one of the knocks on him coming out of college...

Because he HIS standards it was a bad pass....not every qb in the NFL can even make that throw...not every QB can even get away from the pass rush TO make that throw much less heave it across their body like that

 

YOU are something else.....

[DuckyBoys]

1 minute ago, PeterDude said:

 

The ball left his hand early and it fluttered/floated, the damn player even said so himself!  You guys are something else lmao. It left his hand wrong because his feet were not set, ya know, one of the knocks on him coming out of college...

How many guys even escape to make that throw?  Your complaining about the guy throwing a 55 yard wounded duck against the grain after reversing field several times to escape immediate pressure  Against 95% of the qbs that play is a immediate sack

[Doc]

3 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

The ball left his hand early and it fluttered/floated, the damn player even said so himself!  You guys are something else lmao. It left his hand wrong because his feet were not set, ya know, one of the knocks on him coming out of college...

 

Clay said it was a good past and he should have caught it. End of story. 

[Bill_with_it]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The pass was NOT bad.....he was scrambling for his life threw the ball over his body to a completely uncovered TE who all he had to do was center field the catch......

 

Was it a laser like the rest of his passes?  No.....was it a spectacular throw...no....but it was NOT a bad pass

The guy is acting likes it was some banana disk floating on sides kick or something with 11 defenders blating down on him. Oh thats right Clay is also on the hands team too. Clay ahould have caught that ball.

[PeterDude]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Clay said it was a good past and he should have caught it. End of story. 

 

I thought all of you were just saying Clay is useless, now you use what he said to backup your "agenda", omg, lol.  It's on video, the pass was a slow floating duck, end of story...

[Luka]

Josh could have rings and the fanbase would still be arguing about one or two passes a game. The defense sucked today, but no one is talking about that. They gave the game away by literally picking the ball up and carrying it down the field for the Phins on their last drive with penalties.

[Doc]

Just now, PeterDude said:

I thought all of you were just saying Clay is useless, now you use what he said to backup your "agenda", omg, lol.  It's on video, the pass was a slow floating duck, end of story...

 

Go talk to Clay about it. He said it was a pass he should’ve caught and he’s right.  

[PeterDude]

Just now, Luka said:

Josh could have rings and the fanbase would still be arguing about one or two passes a game. The defense sucked today, but no one is talking about that. They gave the game away by literally picking the ball up and carrying it down the field for the Phins on their last drive with penalties.

 

It's usually a bad game plan with players out of position that causes a penalty filled game.  That or lack of talent.  They don't lack talent on D.

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, buffalobillswin said:

Stats are nice. Wins are better.

Boy, oh boy.

 

Josh Allen can not satisfy anyone.

 

First he wins games, but fans complain that his stats suck.

 

Now Josh Allen's stats improve greatly, but he doesn't win enough.

 

Lose-Lose situation for him. Bills fans are funny. And not funny "Ha-Ha".

[VW82]

22 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

And what about all the dropped passes including what would’ve been the game-winner? 

 

And what about missing Zay in the endzone and the ugly INT, and dropped pick in the first half, and all the other missed throws throughout the game? There's blame to go around but Josh had way more bad throws than drops today by the receivers. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by VW82

[Luka]

Just now, PeterDude said:

 

It's usually a bad game plan with players out of position that causes a penalty filled game.  That or lack of talent.  They don't lack talent on D.

 

Just completely ridiculous. The Milano penalty was ***** I'll give them that. He had perfect inside position and turned back for the ball but because the tight end threw his hands up it's a penalty. But the dumb ass penalty by Phillips when they had the stop and could've forced a field goal, that should be a benchable offense at the least. And we won't even go into the choke slam sack or Fitzpatrick tackling Zay before the ball was there, two huge penalties that would've made the game winning score a 10-15 yard run for Allen that weren't called.

But here we are talking about an ugly looking pass that our 2nd rate tight end misjudged and fell down while trying to catch it.

I think the biggest problem right now is guys just aren't doing the little things. Everyone is trying to win the game in a single play and it just doesn't work like that. Daboll and Allen need to get that short passing game going early. It works. I know the kid has a big arm but it should be something used sparingly, not every attempt should have to be for 20 yards on a 3rd and 17. Playing QB is all about rythmn and he can't get into it only throwing on 3rd down trying to pick up big chunks of yardage. Shady needs to aim for 5 yards and not 50 to the house and the receivers all need to concentrate on catching the bill first, everything else comes second.

[Hebert19]

I love his 20 yard lasers over the middle.