Big Ben Texted Bell Before Deadline-NO ANSWER

[Bing Bong]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

He got used  to being lazy and just didn't want to play this year. He might as well retire because he ain't getting that money.

FIERY HOT TAKE. I love it but Bell is getting a good contract somewhere. I'd take him in a hot minute if this nonsense makes him more cheap. How many RB's can line up as a WR and play better than most of them in the slot, out wide, block, run. He literally can do everything any skill position players do and do it better at any position/task.

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, Herc11 said:

 

The case never went to trial because the girl dropped the charges due to the media storm it would create. She never recanted her accusation.

 Like I just said, The case never went to trial because the girl dropped the charges due to the media storm it would create. She never recanted her accusation.

 

Educate yourself on the FACTS

It never went to trial because there was zero evidence of rape... 

 

End of story. 

 

Get your facts straight.   The prosecutor who declined to file charges has spoke about it several times over the years. 

 

There was no case, there was no evidence. 

 

Rape kit was done....negative. 

 

She was asked by the initial officer if she was raped...No

 

What we had was some drunk girls, some angry friends, and an egotistical young millionaire.   

[Herc11]

2 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

During the 2010 presser, Bright famously told Roethlisberger to "grow up" and to be a better role model, and today, the retired prosecutor says he hasn't heard any negative news about Roethlisberger in the years since.

"I heard that he got married, has three kids. If all that is true, that's a good thing. He seems to have grown up," says Bright. "There's not a doubt in my mind that had the case gone to trial, a jury would have found (Roethlisberger) not guilty. To be blunt, my decision was the only decision that could be reached by any responsible prosecutor."

 

 

Sounds like a real rapist....not. 

 

His own bodyguards were cops and even the responding officer was a fan. Do you really think this was properly investigated and there was no cover-ups?

 

 

"The accuser was treated at Oconee Regional Medical Center. An emergency-room doctor and two nurses examined her and noted in their report a "superficial laceration and bruising and slight bleeding in the genital area", but could not say if trauma or sexual assault was the cause. The remaining examination was "normal".^[254] A rape kit was collected, but no ***** was recovered, and the amount of male DNA found was insufficient to create a profile. The doctor's report also quoted the alleged victim telling them that, "A boy kind of raped me."^[254]

In interviews with the police on the night of the incident, the woman alleged that Roethlisberger, after inviting her and her friends to the V.I.P. area of the nightclub, encouraged them to do numerous shots of alcohol before Anthony Barravecchio — an off-duty Coraopolis, Pennsylvania policeman, undercover DEA narcotics officer at Pittsburgh International Airport, and one of Roethlisberger's bodyguards^[255][256] — stated he led her down a hallway to a stool and left. Witnesses, however, stated that Barravecchio "placed his hand" on the accuser's shoulder and applied "a little bit of pressure to guide her" into the restroom where she claims the assault took place, something Barravecchio's lawyer denies.^[257][258]

After Barravecchio's purported departure, Roethlisberger allegedly approached, exposed himself, and despite the woman's protests, followed her into what turned out to be a bathroom when she tried to leave through the first door she saw. The woman claims Roethlisberger then raped her. It is further alleged that friends of the woman attempted to intervene out of worry, but the second of Roethlisberger's bodyguards, Edward Joyner—an off-duty Pennsylvania State Trooper—avoided eye contact and said he did not know what they were talking about. The policemen claimed to "have no memory" of meeting the woman.^[259]

Milledgeville Police Sergeant Jerry Blash, who had posed for a photograph with Roethlisberger earlier in the evening, was the first officer to respond. At the scene, he made a comment about the accuser to Barravecchio: "We have a problem, this drunken [expletive], drunk off her ass, is accusing Ben of rape.” Blash later admitted denigrating the accuser and never formally questioning Roethlisberger; he did speak to the NFL player and his off-duty police bodyguards at the Capital City club, but according to Blash's own report, Roethlisberger was hardly engaged and spent most of the time on his phone.^[255]

On April 12, 2010, district attorney Fred Bright held a press conference to announce that Roethlisberger would not be charged. Bright said "looking at all the evidence here, I cannot prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt".^[254] Furthermore, the accuser wrote to the D.A. through her lawyer expressing she no longer wanted to pursue criminal charges^[260] because the level of media attention would make a criminal trial too "intrusive" of a personal experience. The letter stressed that she was not recanting her accusation.^"

[Bing Bong]

1 minute ago, Gugny said:

 

This is untrue.  He was never charged because there was no evidence of a crime - including from a rape kit/test conducted the same night.  She dropped no charges because no charges were ever levied.

I think Ben was just a creep with no game before he settled down and got married lol. We don't need to make this another hot take debate on Big Ben that's not about the OP at all haha.

[TwistofFate]

Lol, all hearsay. 

 

Bottom line is there is no ***** evidence.   If there was he would have been charged. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

FIERY HOT TAKE. I love it but Bell is getting a good contract somewhere. I'd take him in a hot minute if this nonsense makes him more cheap. How many RB's can line up as a WR and play better than most of them in the slot, out wide, block, run. He literally can do everything any skill position players do and do it better at any position/task.

 

Lots of RBs can run routes and I guarantee he does not come here . I really doubt he gets over 15 and he is delusional if he thinks he's getting 20 and the team that does is stupid.

 

James Connor is showing how important Bell is .

 

 

[Herc11]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

Lol, all hearsay. 

 

Bottom line is there is no ***** evidence.   If there was he would have been charged. 

 

You can't be charged unless the victim presses charges, period.

We didn't even address the previous rape accusation that he settled out of court in 2008.

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Lots of RBs can run routes and I guarantee he does not come here . I really doubt he gets over 15 and he is delusional if he thinks he's getting 20 and the team that does is stupid.

 

James Connor is showing how important Bell is .

 

 

Mannnn he's better than "lot's of other RBs" he's basically a better younger Shady. He's getting over 10 a year for multiple years. Maybe this cost him over 15 and definitely 20 but he's getting what he wanted: a post rookie contract that's not some franchise tag BS to reward the crazy amount of carries and success he's had. Just secured, guaranteed, veteran contract money. That's what every successful guy on a rookie contract and franchise tag is looking for.

Edited November 14, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

he's getting over 10 a year for multiple years. Maybe this cost him over 15 and definitely 20 but he's getting what he wanted: a post rookie contract that's not some franchise tag BS to reward the crazy amount of carries and success he's had. Just secured, guaranteed, veteran contract money. That's what every successful guy on a rookie contract and franchise tag is looking for.

 

He wanted 20 and was offered 14, he screwed up . He is all downhill from here.

 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

15 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

Ya, cuz banging "a drunken slut" that technically can not consent isn't rape.

 

You sound like a class-act rapist yourself.

 

If drunken hookups are considered rape then every college and bar in the world needs to close immediately. 

 

Also if he was even more drunk then who is the victim ?  Does it depend on the position? 

9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

I think Ben was just a creep with no game before he settled down and got married lol. We don't need to make this another hot take debate on Big Ben that's not about the OP at all haha.

 

Wasnt there still league disciplinary action or was hat something else ? 

[Herc11]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

If drunken hookups are considered rape then every college and bar in the world needs to close immediately. 

 

Also if he was even more drunk then who is the victim ?  Does it depend on the position? 

 

Where do the most amount of sexual assaults/rape occur? College.

 

You guys need to take some sexual harassment/assault training.

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, Jobot said:

 

The board applauds you Freddyjj for your devotion to a clean and healthy lifestyle...

Thanks for the endorsement here!  Not judging their lifestyle, just questioning their awareness of law/league rules.  

 

Point being that his having 2 drug suspensions prior, 10 games on next one will make any other team leery to give him any large guaranteed $$.  His agent has given him horrible advice and I see him going on year to year deals on a go forward basis ala LeGarrette Blount.

 

The NFL owners will not reward a player with baggage for making a stand - they are more conservative than me!

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

Where do the most amount of sexual assaults/rape occur? College.

 

You guys need to take some sexual harassment/assault training.

 

I don’t need training to learn how to assault or harass people thanks... I’m married and it’s not my thing, never was. 

 

But I’m pretty sure drunk people mutually wanting to hook up never has been and never should be rape, even if regretted in the morning walk home, well unless there is a minor involved. 

 

If you had training suggesting that you might want to ask more questions. 

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[row_33]

27 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

Where do the most amount of sexual assaults/rape occur? College.

 

You guys need to take some sexual harassment/assault training.

 

 

i missed out on all this stuff...

 

watched the 60s generation tell everyone they were going to do whatever they wanted to do to whomever and wherever with or without consent

 

now they are lecturing us far worse than a Victorian prude

 

can't wait for them all to die off.... 

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

1 hour ago, TwistofFate said:

Raper? 

 

I didn't know Roth was convicted of rape. 

I didn't know he was arrested, sent to trial, and convicted of Rape by a jury of his peers. 

 

Usually people forget about things that aren't true. 

 

You ever read the report from the bathroom rape case?  He's lucky he's Ben Roethlisberger.

[Bing Bong]

47 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

He wanted 20 and was offered 14, he screwed up . He is all downhill from here.

 

 

 

From the Steelers? I didn't even know they had offered anything long term. I don't really try too hard to follow the contract stuff. I just love his game.

45 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Wasnt there still league disciplinary action or was hat something else ? 

Yep the typical arbitrary 4 game suspension from Goodell pre Ray Rice when he was just tossing around suspensions without regard for precedent, degree of punishment meeting crime.. I think he just rolled an 8-sided die to decide how many weeks he'd suspend anybody accused/charged/convicted of anything.

Edited November 14, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[CountDorkula]

2 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Way more that goes into it. 

 

1. Health

2. Wear and tear

3. He’s now going into free agency fully healthy with less wear and tear, and he’s absolutely going to break the bank.

4. If he gets hurt this year while having another year of wear and tear on his body, his value plummets. Especially as a soon to be 27 year old running back. 14 mil would be absolutely nothing compared to the value he would lose if he got hurt.

 

 

He was going to get paud either way.

He threw away $14.7MM FULLY GUARANTEED!. its not smart, its stupid.

 

David Johnson just got a 3 year $40MM deal coming off of IR with 31 guaranteed. THEY ARE THE SAME AGE!

 

Bell gets hurt, he gets a similar type deal easily, if not more. So not only does he have the $30MM guaranteed from his next contract but an additional $14.7MM

1 hour ago, PittsforDave said:

Bell is doing the right thing. 

 

Hold the team hostage until he gets paid.

 

He deserves it, pay the man. Steelers want to put him in a position to play while on his current tag, what if he gets injured. 

 

He must do whats right. 

 

David Johnson 3 Year 40MM contract coming off of IR.

next.

Edited November 14, 2018 by CountDorkula

[LSHMEAB]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

From the Steelers? I didn't even know they had offered anything long term. I don't really try too hard to follow the contract stuff. I just love his game.

You mean you "loved" his game. According to many on this board, he's toast.

 

The crime of attempted earning maximization is punishable by banishment from the NFL. RB's can play forever and it's not like they take a beating. What a punk!

 

Edit: I had no idea maximization was a word. You learn something new every day.

[clayboy54]

34 minutes ago, row_33 said:

i missed out on all this stuff...

watched the 60s generation tell everyone they were going to do whatever they wanted to do to whomever and wherever with or without consent

now they are lecturing us far worse than a Victorian prude

can't wait for them all to die off.... 

 

 

 

Up yours, you young whippersnapper!  ?

Edited November 14, 2018 by clayboy54

[BillsFan130]

28 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

 

He was going to get paud either way.

He threw away $14.7MM FULLY GUARANTEED!. its not smart, its stupid.

 

David Johnson just got a 3 year $40MM deal coming off of IR with 31 guaranteed. THEY ARE THE SAME AGE!

 

Bell gets hurt, he gets a similar type deal easily, if not more. So not only does he have the $30MM guaranteed from his next contract but an additional $14.7MM

 

David Johnson 3 Year 40MM contract coming off of IR.

next.

He’s going to be making more than 3 years 40 million...

 

You don’t think him and his agent have calculated every single move out? 

 

I can almost guarantee he knows roughly how

much he will be making in his next contract, and he knew the risk/reward if he was to get hurt or not and how it would effect the future contract.

 

 

[Augie]

Maybe, like Brady, his phone was destroyed as part of his regularly scheduled destruction plan? 

[Ol Dirty B]

It's Le'Veon Bell's life at the end of the day. Stupid or not, he's making a multimillion dollar decision.

 

I think if I was in his shoes, I'd rather do it my way and not have any regrets. Versus perhaps getting 400+ touches and rupturing an Achilles or getting a wear and tear injury near the end of the year, and not being available immediately for the new team. Then playing on a 1 year show me deal, in the same situation again, but making considerably less than the 14.5. 

 

I'm not saying I'd handle it the same way. But I respect his right to handle something of this magnitude his way. It's his life, I'm not going to character assassinate him or call him stupid over this. Those people doing that are short sighted.

[TonyBeets]

Everyone says this is a great business decision but the truth is he's a running back.  He won't get paid what he wants. 

[PittsforDave]

1 hour ago, CountDorkula said:

 

He was going to get paud either way.

He threw away $14.7MM FULLY GUARANTEED!. its not smart, its stupid.

 

David Johnson just got a 3 year $40MM deal coming off of IR with 31 guaranteed. THEY ARE THE SAME AGE!

 

Bell gets hurt, he gets a similar type deal easily, if not more. So not only does he have the $30MM guaranteed from his next contract but an additional $14.7MM

 

David Johnson 3 Year 40MM contract coming off of IR.

next.

Apples to Apples. You can’t predict injuries. 

 

What if he pulls a Shazier and never plays again? Then what. 

 

NEXT!!!

 

 

[eanyills]

The narrative that Bell could have gotten injured playing this year has to go. This isn’t a guy sitting in the couch safeguarding his body. Bell is working out, training, staying in football shape. And not like you and me, we’re talking intensive training for an elite athlete.

 

He could tear an ACL making a cut while training just as easily as in a game situation.

Edited November 14, 2018 by eanyills

[DuckyBoys]

Steelers don't "own" the man  He can do what he feels is best for him  .  Steelers will get a compensatory pick and both sides can move on.

[Herc11]

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

I don’t need training to learn how to assault or harass people thanks... I’m married and it’s not my thing, never was. 

 

But I’m pretty sure drunk people mutually wanting to hook up never has been and never should be rape, even if regretted in the morning walk home, well unless there is a minor involved. 

 

If you had training suggesting that you might want to ask more questions. 

 

 

Does your argument work for a drunk driver as well? "Judge I was too drunk to make a rational decision if I should drive or not, sorry I killed that family."

 

No, it doesn't. If someone is too impaired to give legal consent, it is rape. Doesn't matter how impaired the offending male or female is.

 

Or how about the predator that gets the victim too impaired, just so he/she can do what they want with them. You think they can just be like, "I was drunk too your honor so it doesn't count."

 

Oh... and by the way a married person can be raped, even by their spouse. So, yes, it really looks like you need some education.

Edited November 14, 2018 by Herc11

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

You mean you "loved" his game. According to many on this board, he's toast.

 

The crime of attempted earning maximization is punishable by banishment from the NFL. RB's can play forever and it's not like they take a beating. What a punk!

 

Edit: I had no idea maximization was a word. You learn something new every day.

yeah idk wtf they're talking about. he's one of the best runningbacks in the league, a year off fresh with rest, with no track record of being lazy and showing up out of shape.. like when he served a 4 game suspension and proceeded to lead the league in yards from scrimmage weeks 5-17... the dude is an animal. AND IN HIS PRIME HE'S 26!

 

And we're over here acting like Shady didn't do **** for our offense. Well this guy is even better lol.

 

What.. do you just type gibberish until your computer tells you that you spelled a word correctly? It must have taken you an hour to write that you illiterate SOB.

 

 

[MJS]

He seems to really have alienated his teammates. That part seems unnecessary.

[LSHMEAB]

29 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

yeah idk wtf they're talking about. he's one of the best runningbacks in the league, a year off fresh with rest, with no track record of being lazy and showing up out of shape.. like when he served a 4 game suspension and proceeded to lead the league in yards from scrimmage weeks 5-17... the dude is an animal. AND IN HIS PRIME HE'S 26!

 

And we're over here acting like Shady didn't do **** for our offense. Well this guy is even better lol.

 

What.. do you just type gibberish until your computer tells you that you spelled a word correctly? It must have taken you an hour to write that you illiterate SOB.

 

 

There's just a hint of you know what when players are considered "selfish" and "ungrateful," yet owners are less frequently or fervently attacked for fleecing municipalities out of tax dollars for stadium funding.

 

And yeah. Pretty much. I was trying to properly phrase earnings maximizing in a more dignified fashion and was surprised to not see a red squiggly line under "maximization."

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

39 minutes ago, Herc11 said:

 

Does your argument work for a drunk driver as well? "Judge I was too drunk to make a rational decision if I should drive or not, sorry I killed that family."

 

No, it doesn't. If someone is too impaired to give legal consent, it is rape. Doesn't matter how impaired the offending male or female is.

 

Or how about the predator that gets the victim too impaired, just so he/she can do what they want with them. You think they can just be like, "I was drunk too your honor so it doesn't count."

 

Oh... and by the way a married person can be raped, even by their spouse. So, yes, it really looks like you need some education.

 

You’re all over the place on this. Are you drunk?

 

Drunk consensual sex.... been happing since invention of booze. 

 

Some people cross lines when people don’t consent or are incapacitated-  that’s rape. Overwhelming majority don’t. 

 

Your training sux

 

[RocCityRoller]

can feel for Ben, that's how a lot of my weekends go

[Skins Malone]

7 hours ago, PittsforDave said:

Bell is doing the right thing. 

 

Hold the team hostage until he gets paid.

 

He deserves it, pay the man. Steelers want to put him in a position to play while on his current tag, what if he gets injured. 

 

He must do whats right. 

How is he holding the Steelers hostage? The rookie is doing fine.  Bell lost 15 million the Steelers lost nothing...they clearly dont want him long term anyway.  As a matter of fact the Steelers could tag him again.  Then who is holding who hostage? I have no issue with him holding out I understand why he did it...but he is by no means holding the Steelers hostage lol.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Skins Malone

[nedboy7]

OMG. Does this mean Allen is a bust??!?!?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Steelers players divvy up Le’Veon Bell’s stuff

 

Via Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Steelers players removed the want-away back’s name from over his locker, and are currently “plundering” it.

It’s not uncommon for players to leave gear there year-round, and for extra cleats and team-issued gear to pile up there.

But as players pick through the debris which will almost certainly never be used by Bell in Pittsburgh again, it’s more than just looting.

[Herc11]

2 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

You’re all over the place on this. Are you drunk?

 

Drunk consensual sex.... been happing since invention of booze. 

 

Some people cross lines when people don’t consent or are incapacitated-  that’s rape. Overwhelming majority don’t. 

 

Your training sux

 

 

All over the place, or actually argued each of your points and you have no real rebuttal so you resort to ad hominem? Face buddy, you are wrong. Here's some evidence since you don't seem to understand:

 

"Myth: If the assailant, victim, or both are under the influence of drugs or alcohol, the victim is free to consent to sex and the assailant therefore cannot be charged with rape.
Fact: When intoxicated, an individual cannot legally consent to sexual activity. Forcing sex on someone who is too drunk to give consent is still Criminal Sexual Conduct in the Third Degree. Rape is a serious offense, and people who commit crimes while under the influence of alcohol or drugs are not considered free from guilt."

 

and once again, since you stated that you were married and don't have to worry about this and don't seem to believe it can still apply to you, here you go:

 

"Myth: If a husband has sex with his wife without her consent, it is not legally considered rape.
Fact: Regardless of the marital or social relationship between the assailant and victim, if an individual does not consent to sexual activity, he or she is being sexually assaulted. In fact, 14% of women are victims of rape committed by their husband."

 

The legal role of consent

There is no single legal definition of consent. Each state sets its own definition, either in law or through court cases. In general, there are three main ways that states analyze consent in relation to sexual acts:

• Affirmative consent: Did the person express overt actions or words indicating agreement for sexual acts?
• Freely given consent: Was the consent offered of the person’s own free will, without being induced by fraud, coercion, violence, or threat of violence?
• Capacity to consent: Did the individual have the capacity, or legal ability, to consent?

Capacity to consent

A person’s capacity, or ability, to legally consent to sexual activity can be based on a number of factors, which often vary from state to state. In a criminal investigation, a state may use these factors to determine if a person who engaged in sexual activity had the capacity to consent. If not, the state may be able to charge the perpetrator with a crime. Examples of some factors that may contribute to someone’s capacity to consent include:

• Age: Is the person at or above the age of consent for that state? Does the age difference between the perpetrator and victim affect the age of consent in that state?
• Developmental disability: Does the person have a developmental disability or other form of mental incapacitation, such as a traumatic brain injury?
• Intoxication: Was the person intoxicated? Different states have different definitions of intoxication, and in some states it matters whether you voluntarily or involuntarily became intoxicated.
• Physical disability: Does the persona have a physical disability, incapacity, or other form of helplessness?
• Relationship of victim/perpetrator: Was the alleged perpetrator in a position of authority, such as such as a teacher or correctional office?
• Unconsciousness: Was the person sleeping, sedated, strangulated, or suffering from physical trauma?
• Vulnerable adults: Is the person considered a vulnerable adult, such as an elderly or ill person? Is this adult dependent on others for care?

Remember: each state’s law is different. If you are unsure how a state law applies to specific circumstances, consult an attorney.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2018 by Herc11

[apuszczalowski]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Steelers players divvy up Le’Veon Bell’s stuff

 

Via Ed Bouchette of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, Steelers players removed the want-away back’s name from over his locker, and are currently “plundering” it.

It’s not uncommon for players to leave gear there year-round, and for extra cleats and team-issued gear to pile up there.

But as players pick through the debris which will almost certainly never be used by Bell in Pittsburgh again, it’s more than just looting.

Whats funnier is the old tweet that was dug up recently of Bell talking about how players who are willing to sit out for money don't love the game and are just in it for the money

 

And to those previous people talking about how this is just like a 9-5 job and the players are co-workers, they have obviously never been near any sports teams. Even in the Pros these guys most of the time are like family, they may not all get along all the time (like any family) but they are much closer then most of your average co-workers in an office environment.

 

has holding out like this ever really worked out well for the player?

 

 

4 hours ago, Herc11 said:

 

Does your argument work for a drunk driver as well? "Judge I was too drunk to make a rational decision if I should drive or not, sorry I killed that family."

 

No, it doesn't. If someone is too impaired to give legal consent, it is rape. Doesn't matter how impaired the offending male or female is.

 

Or how about the predator that gets the victim too impaired, just so he/she can do what they want with them. You think they can just be like, "I was drunk too your honor so it doesn't count."

 

Oh... and by the way a married person can be raped, even by their spouse. So, yes, it really looks like you need some education.

The argument doesn't really work because in a drunk driving situation, the crime is whether you drove under the influence of alcohol or drugs, there is no crime being committed because consent was not given, the crime is getting behind the wheel under the influence. Arguing that you were too drunk to make a rational decision and got behind the wheel just proves the case for the prosecution because you admitted to the crime.

 

As for the incident and having security at the door, it could be argued he asked people to stand by the door so they wouldn't have people walk in on them in there?

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

If drunken hookups are considered rape then every college and bar in the world needs to close immediately. 

 

Also if he was even more drunk then who is the victim ?  Does it depend on the position? 

 

Wasnt there still league disciplinary action or was hat something else ? 

6 games. It was his second rape accusation. He had the one from the hotel before that. 

Edited November 15, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

18 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

has holding out like this ever really worked out well for the player?

I’d say no in general but there’s always an exception 

 

[Herc11]

25 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

The argument doesn't really work because in a drunk driving situation, the crime is whether you drove under the influence of alcohol or drugs, there is no crime being committed because consent was not given, the crime is getting behind the wheel under the influence. Arguing that you were too drunk to make a rational decision and got behind the wheel just proves the case for the prosecution because you admitted to the crime.

 

As for the incident and having security at the door, it could be argued he asked people to stand by the door so they wouldn't have people walk in on them in there?

 

I was trying to make a point, because he had argued that if both people having sex are drunk then it can not be rape because the accused was also drunk. My point was, just like ignorance is not an excuse, neither is being drunk in the eyes of the law.

Edited November 15, 2018 by Herc11