Da webster guy Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I know there are varying degrees of involvement by coach McD with each of the picks in the past two drafts, but now that Zay has somehow emerged as a good receiver our last two years we have TreD Zay Dawk Milano Last year Josh Tremaine Harry Taron Teller Obviously Josh is the wildcard here, but currently this is 9 starters in two years through the draft. Almost half of the 22 man starting team in two years, all under rookie deals. I don't have time to look it up, but that's likely tops in the league, nine starters who are either rooks or sophomores. There's a little Whaley influence, and Beane obviously, but if McD has been significantly involved in these past two drafts like they say he has, it's a very encouraging sign that we have a knack for identifying and developing the right kind of players here. 14 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Shhhhhhhh…... 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 It will be very interesting to see what they do with 10 picks, and 80 mil in cap space. 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 i have a feeling this thread is going to anger some people. 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Really looking forward to how this all pans out. There is a good reason for hope. I believe there is a legitimate chance that McD will be a long-term coach in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I would say that if he turns into a decent #2, and Allen turns out to be a top 15 QB (which some may see as a stretch right now) and the others continue as they have, this could be considered a historically good two drafts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 If Allen pans out the drafts were awesome. If he doesn't they're not looking so hot. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: If Allen pans out the drafts were awesome. If he doesn't they're not looking so hot. That's partially true, but I think the number of other good players is impressive. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, MJS said: That's partially true, but I think the number of other good players is impressive. the number of players (and the picks) traded to get the picks which were packaged to move up to 7 needs to be factored in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Juju already panned out Same with Watson and the MVP front runner. Allen is gonna need to show up strong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I think it is safe to say the Zay has panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: I think it is safe to say the Zay has panned out. So he's a legit NFL WR1 or WR2 on a playoff caliber team? I don't think he's there just yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Why are we still talking about McDermott. Wasn’t he fired? 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: So he's a legit NFL WR1 or WR2 on a playoff caliber team? I don't think he's there just yet. Agreed, but while he still has a ways to go he is trending in that direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I have tremendous hope for Zay Jones. I think if he continues on his current path he'll be a guy we can count on. He's steadily shown that he is a great route runner, a very good route runner. Can't emphasize that enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: If Allen pans out the drafts were awesome. If he doesn't they're not looking so hot. Ya, I do have to agree with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I’m bracing for the inevitable Mahomes comment followed by fire Beane (even though he wasn’t on staff but apparently was running the draft from Carolina or something like that). ? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, teef said: i have a feeling this thread is going to anger some people. No hate, no anger, no negative rants, no temper tantrums and no call to fire everybody now and next year! And some honest thought put into it - yup this will set some of our angry posters off! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
End The Drought Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Didn’t everyone wanna fire this guy a week ago? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, vorpma said: No hate, no anger, no negative rants, no temper tantrums and no call to fire everybody now and next year! And some honest thought put into it - yup this will set some of our angry posters off! it's all so foreign to me! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: So he's a legit NFL WR1 or WR2 on a playoff caliber team? I don't think he's there just yet. I find it very doubtful he'll ever be a legit number 1 but I think he is a legit #2 right now. He dropped a lot of passes last year but he ain't anymore. He gets open a lot and he has been very consistent for as bad as the offense has been around him. I was hugely down on Zay when the season started and thought he was likely a bust but I was wrong. Stick him in a good offense where there is a true number one on the other side and he will look great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: If Allen pans out the drafts were awesome. If he doesn't they're not looking so hot. I think if Allen doesn't pan out we go back and draft another QB. No reason to let everything to go waste and start another rebuild when they have the roster to be competitive. I liken it back to the 90s Steelers. They were a QB away for years, pretty much from 1992-2004. But they didn't fire Cowher, they kept at it until they got their QB. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, End The Drought said: Didn’t everyone wanna fire this guy a week ago? Lol Most fans liked him when we drafted him, I did not. But Zay has steadily improved and now I am completely sold. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 (edited) Not to mention if Robert Foster works out. His potential is intriguing. Also Levi Wallace Edited November 13, 2018 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Soda Popinski said: I think if Allen doesn't pan out we go back and draft another QB. No reason to let everything to go waste and start another rebuild when they have the roster to be competitive. I liken it back to the 90s Steelers. They were a QB away for years, pretty much from 1992-2004. But they didn't fire Cowher, they kept at it until they got their QB. If Allen doesn't pan out McDermott and Beane might not be with the team and as you should all know by know, new front offices bring their own way of doing things and want their own hand picked personnel. Essentially they bring their own processes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: If Allen doesn't pan out McDermott and Beane might not be with the team and as you should all know by know, new front offices bring their own way of doing things and want their own hand picked personnel. Essentially they bring their own processes. I hope we don't fire them for picking a QB that didn't pan out if that happens. The smart thing to do is to keep moving forward not grenade the whole thing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, teef said: it's all so foreign to me! It's early yet, give it some time before it goes down hill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 I have to agree with the OP. There have been some good pickups in the past 2 drafts. While these guys all seem to be good picks - I guess what we don't know is if they are great yet, just too early to tell. Are they good because they are on "this" team full of general crappiness? Or are they good enough that on most other teams they'd be starters? Don't get me wrong, I like all those players named. I think Zay seems to have figured out his niche. If we had a competent #1 - this team would go much further. I don't lament letting Sammy go, sometimes a player just has to move on and his shelf life on the Bills was up. Trusting the Process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Soda Popinski said: I hope we don't fire them for picking a QB that didn't pan out if that happens. The smart thing to do is to keep moving forward not grenade the whole thing. That is literally why Whaley is no longer with the team and Beane and McDermott are here. That's how it goes in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 26 minutes ago, teef said: i have a feeling this thread is going to anger some people. Yeah. It’s almost like we don’t have a historically bad offense and are 3-7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 But on this board he needs to be fired immediately, the guy is a bum, he's not worth keeping, why does he still have a job, OMG the dude sucks as a coach, & Bean is the worst GM ever in the NFL he couldn't find talent in the dark if all 5 fingers on one hand were flash lights !!!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH !! Shows us what a lot of Bills fans know about football in general ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: That is literally why Whaley is no longer with the team and Beane and McDermott are here. That's how it goes in the NFL. I disagree Whaley was gone for much different reasons than just EJ not working out. There was in fighting with the coaching staff, poor salary cap management, getting rid of popular players like Fred Jackson, wasting draft picks. Totally different scenario. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Just now, Jauronimo said: That is literally why Whaley is no longer with the team and Beane and McDermott are here. That's how it goes in the NFL. No whaley isnt here because he doubled and tripled doen onManuel, ruined the cap, couldnt articulate an 11th grader sentence, and generally caused a rift between multiple coaches. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 1 minute ago, Bill_with_it said: No whaley isnt here because he doubled and tripled doen onManuel, ruined the cap, couldnt articulate an 11th grader sentence, and generally caused a rift between multiple coaches. 2 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: I disagree Whaley was gone for much different reasons than just EJ not working out. There was in fighting with the coaching staff, poor salary cap management, getting rid of popular players like Fred Jackson, wasting draft picks. Totally different scenario. So in other words he wasted draft picks and botched the QB position. The other issues are a product of losing. And if Allen doesn't pan out.... Hopefully you can connect the dots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: If Allen doesn't pan out McDermott and Beane might not be with the team and as you should all know by know, new front offices bring their own way of doing things and want their own hand picked personnel. Essentially they bring their own processes. I'd like to see them take another stab at QB. It's the smart move. Not in the 1st round though of course, but I'm open to a 2nd round pick. Keep Barkley onboard as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 3 minutes ago, mrags said: Yeah. It’s almost like we don’t have a historically bad offense and are 3-7. this could be angrier. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Soda Popinski said: I hope we don't fire them for picking a QB that didn't pan out if that happens. The smart thing to do is to keep moving forward not grenade the whole thing. I generally agree with your sentiment, however, assuming Allen is a miss, he wouldn't be the only QB they mis-evaluated during their tenure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 33 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: If Allen pans out the drafts were awesome. If he doesn't they're not looking so hot. Pretty much the case as this is the major key. If not, the search continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I generally agree with your sentiment, however, assuming Allen is a miss, he wouldn't be the only QB they mis-evaluated during their tenure. Thats true. Maybe bringing in someone to help evaluate QBs would be the right move I don't know. I see the foundation they have laid here and i just don't want it blown up because they missed on the QB position. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 13, 2018 Share Posted November 13, 2018 Looks good. The biggest mistake this regime made was the handling of the QB situation and loyalty to Peterman. They never brought in anyone good enough to compete and wasted time with the NP/AJ fiasco, which cost them 2-3 wins this year. The good thing is that this seems to be corrected and Peterman is finally off the roster (for now) I don't care if he stays on the practice squad but Barkley should be the #1 or #2 for the foreseeable future with either another vet as the #3 or a development guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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