If Zay pans out, McD's first two drafts are awesome

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

That's where I'm at. They've had some solid drafts and McDermott won close games last season. Some would call it luck, but I don't buy it. His teams made plays when they mattered in contested games. When is the last time the Bills won close games? Even this season, the most contested game was Tennessee and they found a way to win. Peterman did his thing against Houston, so chalk that one up to their inability to judge QB's, which is a very big deal.

 

They would have to improve significantly in terms of running the ball and acquiring offensive personnel, but the returns on that are awful thus far. 

 

 Keep in mind I'm convinced Allen is a bust so that tends to influence my opinions. It's an interesting proposition because I see it as an inevitable decision Pegula will have to make.

 

I think it’s far too early to be convinced of anything, but I started with my doubts. Regardless, he’s ours now so I’m all behind it until I know how it turns out. 

[Hebert19]

If Allen pans out we got a top 3 corner and a starting qb.  We can whine all we want about mahomes but that's a decent return as well. 

[Bing Bong]

38 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Harry is overrated IMO. I haven't seen him do much. I think so many people viewed him as a "Kyle clone" that their confirmation bias influences their assessment. I'm not impressed. Picking up Jordan Phillips looks like a great decision.

That's what I thought on my eye test but I'm horrible at judging front 7 players so I needed validation before talking out of my *** lol

15 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I think it’s far too early to be convinced of anything, but I started with my doubts. Regardless, he’s ours now so I’m all behind it until I know how it turns out. 

Chalk me up as very very nervous. Then again I thought Rosen was gonna be solid, still prefer his accuracy but you have no idea how annoyed I was the Browns were actually smart and Baker never fell for being "too short". If we chose Allen over Baker I'd have been on crusade watch 24/7.

 

I wanted swagger in my QB and Baker had it like no other. Rosen either has it or is just a super weird dude.. can't tell. But Darnold and Allen are vanilla ice cream. Not that any of that matters for a QB but that's literally all I'd go for since I saw the QB draft as a crapshoot.

Edited November 14, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Augie]

34 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The 2017 draft is already a very good draft class regardless of how Zay pans out. White is a top 5 player at a critical position while Milano is already a borderline pro-bowl player, Dawkins is a high end player at a critical offensive position. Zay being a bust would prevent it from being a great draft class but if Zay panned out even as just a good slot receiver that class is a great draft class. 

 

The early returns on 2018 are good but mixed. Edumonds, Phillips and Johnson are 3 good young players on the defense all of whom look like they could be high end starters or even pro-bowl players on the defense. Teller could be a starting guard on the offense which would be another solid addition. Obviously you are right about Allen he is a big wildcard. 

 

But if (and this is a big IF) you in two drafts get two players on the offensive line, a good receiver, your franchise QB, two starting linebackers, a starting DT, and two corners that's building quite the foundation of your team. That's literally 4 starters on offense and 5 starters on defense in two drafts. That's the type of drafting that starts dynasties. Once again still a long way to go on a lot of these players and your most important piece is still a huge question mark. 

 

 

You just don’t hate enough for some people!  You’re gonna be in trouble!       ?

[dayman]

I mean, starting on the Bills isn't necessarily the greatest indicator but it could be worse.

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

That's what I thought on my eye test but I'm horrible at judging front 7 players so I needed validation before talking out of my *** lol

Chalk me up as very very nervous. Then again I thought Rosen was gonna be solid, still prefer his accuracy but you have no idea how annoyed I was the Browns were actually smart and Baker never fell for being "too short". If we chose Allen over Baker I'd have been on crusade watch 24/7.

 

I wanted swagger in my QB and Baker had it like no other. Rosen either has it or is just a super weird dude.. can't tell. But Darnold and Allen are vanilla ice cream. Not that any of that matters for a QB but that's literally all I'd go for since I saw the QB draft as a crapshoot.

100% agree on the swagger factor. It's a personal preference more than anything, but most of the greats have a certain swagger. Don't tell me Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady don't have swagger because they do. It's just more subtle. Even Brees has a certain understated swagger. P Manning was an anomaly. He was also kind of a choker. This is all completely subjective so it is what it is. Mayfield was the only guy in this draft that had the charisma I look for in a leader.

 

As far as Phillips, he's got 16 tackles, 4 TFL's, and zero sacks. That's not impressive considering his snap count and role. He's not terrible, but he doesn't deserve the praise he gets around here.

 

 

[Success]

I haven’t seen any of the rooks do the kind of hurdle that Allen did against the Vikings.

 

That’s the kind of swagger I enjoy seeing.

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, Success said:

I haven’t seen any of the rooks do the kind of hurdle that Allen did against the Vikings.

 

That’s the kind of swagger I enjoy seeing.

That is also the kind of play that you lose your QB for the year.......I held my breath on that play

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Monty98 said:

 

Maybe it was looked at is Mahomes worth the extra first or not at this moment. I'll gladly take the extra first. I wasn't sold on Mahomes last year, not everyone was as he dropped to our pick. So did Watson, in the end Buffalo passed for an extra first plus Tre White, that extra first was converted into one of either Allen or Edmunds. If/when Allen pans out or looks good in the second season, will you be less upset with Tre and Allen?

 

As a 21 year old he's not even fully developed physically. There's a huge difference there between a fully grown man as a football player and a 21 year old still growing. The excitement is because he's raw and physically talented at 21 but has a ceiling that's crazy, maybe it's rough now but as he continues to grow it can be scary. Look at Amobi Okoye he was drafted crazy young too, as a young guy he was physically over matched, but later in his career he was a solid DT and played well.

 

He's as big as he is going to get, 21 or not. He's a fully grown man.

[SCBills]

Ok, let’s say Beane somehow could magically run the draft from Carolina and took Mahomes.. Does Mahomes come with KC’s OL, RB’s, WR’s and TE’s or are we assuming he’s still GOAT status throwing to KB and Charles Clay? 

[mannc]

10 hours ago, dubs said:

 

Disagree. He wasn’t generational at the time. In fact many observers thought the chiefs paid a steep price for a guy who was viewed as physically gifted but raw. Many people praised the Bills for the move down. 

 

The bottom line is that the FO was in flux and you can’t ask a brand new head coach with a lame duck GM and their lame duck college scouting to take a QB at 10. If they were picking at 1 and Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning we’re there, maybe you’d be correct. But not the situation in 2017. 

 

So if there is blame I’d put it on ownership who hired a coach first with a dead man walking GM and waited until after the draft to bring in the new GM. 

 

And just for good measure, here’s and article from April 2017 which gives a more balanced view of the kind of prospect Mahomes was in absence of 20/20 hindsight. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2017/4/17/15326962/2017-nfl-draft-quarterback-patrick-mahomes-stock-rising-texans-cardinals

Why aren’t we talking about Jacksonville (a franchise that has never had a qb) passing on Mahomes for Leonard Fournette?  Almost as bad as when they took a punter one slot ahead of Russell Wilson.

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

Or I’m telling you what I wrote when he was coming out. I knew it was obvious how good Mahomes was. McDermott didn’t. That’s concerning to me. Keep your head in the sand, guy. 

 

 

No offense, dude, but you didn't know.

 

Your educated guess/opinion turned out to be correct. But nobody knows for sure, ever. And if it had been all that obvious, Mahomes wouldn't have fallen so far.

 

You did well there. I had him as a maybe/maybe not, personally. Tables did not run away from me in fear of being pounded.

 

But as I've said to you before, you're saying McDermott didn't know. And a lot of that may be because the GM he was working with at the time, Doug Whaley, had been all in on the EJ Manuel pick. McDermott was in the driver's seat in that draft, but he was still relying on Whaley and Whaley's scouts. McDermott isn't a personnel guy and he's particularly not a personnel guy with much expertise on the offensive side of the ball.

 

And we don't even know what Whaley was saying. Maybe Whaley hated Mahomes. No way to know.

 

McDermott may well have been taking a very intelligent tack, saying, "I'm not an expert here, and by next year I should have a GM I can get along with in here. I know next year is a good year for QBs. Why don't I wait a year and work with a GM I trust and who is hopefully a lot better than me at picking QBs. We can collect a ton of draft capital this year and be ready to trade up and get one of the big group from next year."

 

That would make sense and be the opposite of concerning.

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

18 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

I know there are varying degrees of involvement by coach McD with each of the picks in the past two drafts, but now that Zay has somehow emerged as a good receiver our last two years we have

TreD

Zay

Dawk

Milano

 

Last year

Josh

Tremaine

Harry

Taron

Teller

 

Obviously Josh is the wildcard here, but currently this is 9 starters in two years through the draft.   Almost half of the 22 man starting team in two years, all under rookie deals.   I don't have time to look it up, but that's likely tops in the league, nine starters who are either rooks or sophomores.  There's a little Whaley influence, and Beane obviously, but if McD has been significantly involved in these past two drafts like they say he has, it's a very encouraging sign that we have a knack for identifying and developing the right kind of players here.

 

 

 

 

Already are awesome, I'm really expecting great things from them over the years. Look back at our drafts during the drought and it says all you need to know.

 

 

Next year will be , Jonah Williams, DK Metcalf, Chase Winovich and Isaac Nauta 

 

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[The_Dude]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

No offense, dude, but you didn't know.

 

 

No, I knew. 

 

How? Because when you watch Mahomes he can throw darts with pinpoint accuracy, off balance, and from multiple platforms. Meaning the dudes arm is so talented his footwork doesn’t matter and he can squeeze balls into double coverage that other guys can’t because of his accuracy. So he doesn’t have to be great at reading defense or footwork. Because he’s a better version of Favre. So I knew. 

[dgrochester55]

These drafts have been good, but fair or not, the perceived level of success will solely depend on how good Allen ends up being.

 

So far White, Edmunds and Milano appear to be for real.   Zay Jones is emerging, but I would like to see a few more games like sunday from him before calling him a success.  As far as the others that the OP listed(dawkins, teller, phillips), it remains to be seen if they are actually reliable long term starters or if it is a Keith Ellison type scenario where they are only starting early in their career because there are no other options.

[dubs]

37 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

No, I knew. 

 

How? Because when you watch Mahomes he can throw darts with pinpoint accuracy, off balance, and from multiple platforms. Meaning the dudes arm is so talented his footwork doesn’t matter and he can squeeze balls into double coverage that other guys can’t because of his accuracy. So he doesn’t have to be great at reading defense or footwork. Because he’s a better version of Favre. So I knew. 

 

You should send all your predraft posts from BBMB to NFL teams and get a job in the scouting departments or maybe even as a GM!  Because “you knew”!

 

 

[The_Dude]

6 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

You should send all your predraft posts from BBMB to NFL teams and get a job in the scouting departments or maybe even as a GM!  Because “you knew”!

 

 

 

I see that smartass comment ALLLLL the time. Thing is, any retard named “Polian” can get a job in the league. The NFL is run on nepotism, not talent. 

 

So yeah, I could get a job as an intern making nothing and leave my company that provides me a wonderful living. I could tell my kids it’s up to them to figure out how to eat now. I could do that. But there’s just a tiny bit of reality separating me from doing that. 

Edited November 14, 2018 by The_Dude

[teef]

48 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

No, I knew. 

 

How? Because when you watch Mahomes he can throw darts with pinpoint accuracy, off balance, and from multiple platforms. Meaning the dudes arm is so talented his footwork doesn’t matter and he can squeeze balls into double coverage that other guys can’t because of his accuracy. So he doesn’t have to be great at reading defense or footwork. Because he’s a better version of Favre. So I knew. 

no you didn't.  you thought blake bortles was going to storm the nfl and be the next great qb.  you were certain of it.  it's ok to be wrong on qbs, but please with this.  just move on.

[The_Dude]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

no you didn't.  you thought blake bortles was going to storm the nfl and be the next great qb.  you were certain of it.  it's ok to be wrong on qbs, but please with this.  just move on.

 

1. No, I will not move on. I love hated McDumbass since that awful night. 

 

2. Bortles was the closet thing to a miss I’ve ever committed. And how wrong was I? Did he not throw for over 300 the other day? Did he not get his team deep into the playoffs last year? Was he not the best QB in that class? Was I correct in wanting to move on from EJ before a lot of people were? 

 

I know good QBs when I see them. 

 

Im better at it than scouts, especially Bills scouts, and any person unfortunate enough to follow my ramblings over the years can’t deny that. 

 

Everybody brings up Bortles with me. But how wrong was I? 

Edited November 14, 2018 by The_Dude

[teef]

Just now, The_Dude said:

 

1. No. 

 

2. Bortles was the closet thing to a miss I’ve ever committed. And how wrong was I? Did he not throw for over 300 the other day? Did he not get his team deep into the playoffs last year? Was he not the best QB in that class? Was I correct in wanting to move on from EJ before a lot of people were? 

 

I know good QBs when I see them. 

 

Im better at it than scouts, especially Bills scouts, and any person unfortunate enough to follow my ramblings over the years can’t deny that. 

 

Everybody brings up Bortles with me. But how wrong was I? 

the way you propped him up, you were very wrong.  he has a good game or two, and you think he's solid?   do you think the jags feel they're good at the qb position?  at some point posters need to move on from mahomes.  continually bringing it up is just a sorry look.  even if you liked him, who cares?  he's on the chiefs, everyone has vented, be a big boy and move on already.  you're like a jilted girlfriend.

[Soda Popinski]

14 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

....I'd bet McBeane already has a plan to defer some of that 80 to 2020 (think he can do it) and knows who the UFA's will be...just a thought............

I would hope that they run the 2019 offseason with an eye toward 2020 and free agents they will be looking to sign/extend.   2020 will be Tre White's 4th year they shouldn't wait just give him an extension then.  I would be ok with giving Shaq some mid level money to stay he's earning his pay now.   But if he wants 70 million I wouldn't hesitate to move on.   

[The_Dude]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

the way you propped him up, you were very wrong.  he has a good game or two, and you think he's solid?   do you think the jags feel they're good at the qb position?  at some point posters need to move on from mahomes.  continually bringing it up is just a sorry look.  even if you liked him, who cares?  he's on the chiefs, everyone has vented, be a big boy and move on already.  you're like a jilted girlfriend.

 

Ill move on when McDermott is fried. When we have a franchise QB, I’ll move on. 

 

And, I was right in that we needed to ditch EJ after his first year and the best option in the draft was Bortles. I was right on both those accounts. 

[oldmanfan]

15 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

1. No, I will not move on. I love hated McDumbass since that awful night. 

 

2. Bortles was the closet thing to a miss I’ve ever committed. And how wrong was I? Did he not throw for over 300 the other day? Did he not get his team deep into the playoffs last year? Was he not the best QB in that class? Was I correct in wanting to move on from EJ before a lot of people were? 

 

I know good QBs when I see them. 

 

Im better at it than scouts, especially Bills scouts, and any person unfortunate enough to follow my ramblings over the years can’t deny that. 

 

Everybody brings up Bortles with me. But how wrong was I? 

You're our hero.  We bow down to you.

 

One question though.  Given your brilliance shouldn't you have a job in the league?

[teef]

22 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

Ill move on when McDermott is fried. When we have a franchise QB, I’ll move on. 

 

And, I was right in that we needed to ditch EJ after his first year and the best option in the draft was Bortles. I was right on both those accounts. 

so...what's the end game here?  do you want us to all realize your football acumen?  i'm just not sure why bringing something up again and again, even when it's not the topic of discussion, is helpful.  i'm just not sure anyone cares.  

 

at the end of the day, when i think of the dude and football evaluations, all i remember is how you did the same nonsense with bortles.  bortles this and bortles that.  again and again.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Tre White and Matt Milano are the stand outs but this largely depends on our two big projects that we drafted in the 1st this year.

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, teef said:

so...what's the end game here?  do you want us to all realize your football acumen?  i'm just not sure why bringing something up again and again, even when it's not the topic of discussion, is helpful.  i'm just not sure anyone cares.  

 

at the end of the day, when i think of the dude and football evaluations, all i remember is how you did the same nonsense with bortles.  bortles this and bortles that.  again and again.

 

No, well maybe. I'd like for people to quit arguing with me, and to quit having blind faith in a coach that cannot evaluate offensive talent. Clearly, there's a case to be made that McDermott is clueless offensively. 

What I want is a freaking QB. That's it. I just want a freaking QB. Maybe it's Allen? Hopefully. If not, I'll get my wish and McDermott will get fired.

But yes, I'm better at this than the Bills. Also, I find it funny when Bills fans say Bortles sucks. Look at the crapfest we've rolled out for 20 years.

[teef]

23 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

No, well maybe. I'd like for people to quit arguing with me, and to quit having blind faith in a coach that cannot evaluate offensive talent. Clearly, there's a case to be made that McDermott is clueless offensively. 

What I want is a freaking QB. That's it. I just want a freaking QB. Maybe it's Allen? Hopefully. If not, I'll get my wish and McDermott will get fired.

But yes, I'm better at this than the Bills. Also, I find it funny when Bills fans say Bortles sucks. Look at the crapfest we've rolled out for 20 years.

no one is arguing with you.  the only arguments you get are because you repeatedly bring up the same topic, even when it isn't being discussed.  and we all need to  get over this absurd notion that people are blindly accepting mcdermott and staff.  most are skeptical and want to see how this plays out.  most of us are being adults about this, and would like to see improvements the off season before deciding love or hate for this new staff.

 

if you like to think you're better than this than the bills...fine.  if that props up you life to make you feel better, have at it.  i personally never heard you once mention that you wanted mahomes.  i sure did hear that  you want bortles over and over again, so excuse me if i'm not impressed with your qb evaluation.  i'm not sure anyone is.

[The_Dude]

13 minutes ago, teef said:

 

if you like to think you're better than this than the bills...fine.  if that props up you life to make you feel better, have at it.  i personally never heard you once mention that you wanted mahomes.  i sure did hear that  you want bortles over and over again, so excuse me if i'm not impressed with your qb evaluation.  i'm not sure anyone is.

 

No, it does the opposite. It does NOT make me feel better that I could do a better job than McBeane (only when it comes to picking players, not coaching) because I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of Bills football. I just want touchdowns again. I was 12 when Jimbo retired. I'm 34. I've seen a lot of suck, and the Bills brad of football isn't even NFL caliber. It doesn't make me feel better to see the Bills making the same mistakes year after year. It enrages me to the point where I don't know if my love for the Bills is now exceeded by my hate for the Bills for 20 years of awful football. It does NOT make me feel better -- it makes me feel hopeless. 

[JoPar_v2]

6 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

No, it does the opposite. It does NOT make me feel better that I could do a better job than McBeane (only when it comes to picking players, not coaching) because I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of Bills football. I just want touchdowns again. I was 12 when Jimbo retired. I'm 34. I've seen a lot of suck, and the Bills brad of football isn't even NFL caliber. It doesn't make me feel better to see the Bills making the same mistakes year after year. It enrages me to the point where I don't know if my love for the Bills is now exceeded by my hate for the Bills for 20 years of awful football. It does NOT make me feel better -- it makes me feel hopeless. 

My god the delusion...you’re not better at “this” than Beane/McDermott or any other talent evaluator the Bills’ have had over the course of the drought or their whole history for that matter. 

[teef]

6 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

No, it does the opposite. It does NOT make me feel better that I could do a better job than McBeane (only when it comes to picking players, not coaching) because I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired of Bills football. I just want touchdowns again. I was 12 when Jimbo retired. I'm 34. I've seen a lot of suck, and the Bills brad of football isn't even NFL caliber. It doesn't make me feel better to see the Bills making the same mistakes year after year. It enrages me to the point where I don't know if my love for the Bills is now exceeded by my hate for the Bills for 20 years of awful football. It does NOT make me feel better -- it makes me feel hopeless. 

i'm 41 and i've seen all the same things.  it's not worth getting upset over at all.  i didn't even watch the last two games because of it, (i wish i saw the jets game though).  being angry at the bills is a complete waste of time.  once the sport isn't fun, just don't follow for a while.  on top of that, we all knew it would be a down year.  i certainly didn't know it was going to be this level of awful, but i do think it's temporary.  at this point we know what the team is, and the posters who are constantly complaining are doing so because they simply love to B word.  i'm waiting to see how this plays out into 2019.  we're all too old to get angry about it.

[billsfan1959]

3 hours ago, The_Dude said:

 

No, I knew. 

 

How? Because when you watch Mahomes he can throw darts with pinpoint accuracy, off balance, and from multiple platforms. Meaning the dudes arm is so talented his footwork doesn’t matter and he can squeeze balls into double coverage that other guys can’t because of his accuracy. So he doesn’t have to be great at reading defense or footwork. Because he’s a better version of Favre. So I knew. 

No, you didn't. People can evaluate all available factors and make educated guesses; however, nobody can know for certain how any given athlete will perform in the future. Anyone claiming to have such an ability is either extremely arrogant or a fool.

[The_Dude]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

i'm 41 and i've seen all the same things.  it's not worth getting upset over at all.  i didn't even watch the last two games because of it, (i wish i saw the jets game though).  being angry at the bills is a complete waste of time.  once the sport isn't fun, just don't follow for a while.  on top of that, we all knew it would be a down year.  i certainly didn't know it was going to be this level of awful, but i do think it's temporary.  at this point we know what the team is, and the posters who are constantly complaining are doing so because they simply love to B word.  i'm waiting to see how this plays out into 2019.  we're all too old to get angry about it.

 

teef.....official zen master of TBD. Well said. Yeah, I'm still the guy that throws the remote. I'm out for this season. Cancelled DirecTv. Cable is a waste of money and I aint payin another dime for this. Maybe next year. Hopefully Allen shows a little somethin. 

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

No, you didn't. People can evaluate all available factors and make educated guesses; however, nobody can know for certain how any given athlete will perform in the future. Anyone claiming to have such an ability is either extremely arrogant or a fool.

 

For an arrogant fool I'm right a lot. Like a lot. 

[C.Biscuit97]

On 11/13/2018 at 10:49 AM, MJS said:

 

That's partially true, but I think the number of other good players is impressive.

Is it anymore impressive than Whaley?  We had SB talent minus the qb.  Odds are we are finishing with a worse record than any year under the previous regime.  

 

Also, one of the biggest knocks on Whaley was trading up in the draft.  These regime has done this 3 times - Allen (not a fan of the pick but I’m ok with trading up for a qb), Edmunds (I like him a lot but will he be that much better than Darius Leonard who went in the 2nd), and Zay (playing better but could have not traded up and taken JuJu or Kupp).

 

its all about the qb.  Other positions aren’t that hard to find.  Hell, the Jauron teams could always find 7 wins.  

10 hours ago, SCBills said:

Ok, let’s say Beane somehow could magically run the draft from Carolina and took Mahomes.. Does Mahomes come with KC’s OL, RB’s, WR’s and TE’s or are we assuming he’s still GOAT status throwing to KB and Charles Clay? 

I have no doubt he would have better than a 63 qb rating.  

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, The_Dude said:

 

teef.....official zen master of TBD. Well said. Yeah, I'm still the guy that throws the remote. I'm out for this season. Cancelled DirecTv. Cable is a waste of money and I aint payin another dime for this. Maybe next year. Hopefully Allen shows a little somethin. 

Hopefully, you can find a way not to be that guy. Seriously. I think most of us have been there at one point or another; however, if you can find a way to follow them that doesn't trigger such a level of frustration, it would be so much more enjoyable. 

[teef]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Hopefully, you can find a way not to be that guy. Seriously. I think most of us have been there at one point or another; however, if you can find a way to follow them that doesn't trigger such a level of frustration, it would be so much more enjoyable. 

we've all been there.  i'm just don't with letting the bills get me angry.  it wasn't even until the last 5-6 years that i've hit that point.  it's much more "pleasant" to follow the team now.

[dubs]

3 hours ago, teef said:

so...what's the end game here?  do you want us to all realize your football acumen?  i'm just not sure why bringing something up again and again, even when it's not the topic of discussion, is helpful.  i'm just not sure anyone cares.  

 

at the end of the day, when i think of the dude and football evaluations, all i remember is how you did the same nonsense with bortles.  bortles this and bortles that.  again and again.

 

Agreed. 

 

Also and plus - the original point was that saying Mahomes was considered a “generational prospect” is flat out revisionist history. He flew up draft board post season during combines and was thought of as a physically gifted prospect that had poor footwork, came from a college offense that produced big numbers but not good pro QBs, and was extremely reckless with his throws. 

 

NFL GMs has him as high as mid first all the way down to a 4th rounder as late as mid-April!  Expecting a new coach using lame duck GM/staff insight to take a guy like that is hilarious and shows me dude has no idea what he’s talking about and only cares to tell people he doesn’t know on a message board that he rated Mahomes as a “generational” prospect. Pathetic really. 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

Agreed. 

 

Also and plus - the original point was that saying Mahomes was considered a “generational prospect” is flat out revisionist history. He flew up draft board post season during combines and was thought of as a physically gifted prospect that had poor footwork, came from a college offense that produced big numbers but not good pro QBs, and was extremely reckless with his throws. 

 

NFL GMs has him as high as mid first all the way down to a 4th rounder as late as mid-April!  Expecting a new coach using lame duck GM/staff insight to take a guy like that is hilarious and shows me dude has no idea what he’s talking about and only cares to tell people he doesn’t know on a message board that he rated Mahomes as a “generational” prospect. Pathetic really. 

We took a 56% project quarterback from Wyoming, which we traded up for.

[dubs]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

We took a 56% project quarterback from Wyoming, which we traded up for.

 

What does that have to do with what we are talking about. Jeez. I swear, it’s impossible to have a reasonable discussion on this board nowadays. 

 

The OP’s point was that if Zay keeps coming along, the 2017 and 2018 draft are looking good. 

 

I made add a joke/prediction that someone would try and argue that because the Bills didn’t draft Mahomes in 2017, McDermott should be fired and he’s the worst ever. 

 

The Dude/Jeffismagic bit and made that point and claimed that Mahomes was considered a “generational” talent. 

 

I proved he he was not by citing multiple predraft articles that explained how he was viewed at the time, which was very risky with lots of upside.  Maybe I should have provided examples of what generational talents are right before a draft, like Andrew Luck, John Elway, Conor McDavid, Zion Williamson, LaBron James. My bad. 

 

I also made the the point that given the FO situation and the fact that McD was new, no person in their right mind could expect him to draft a QB prospect like Mahomes in the first round. 

 

Dude said, I knew. 

 

You said what you did. 

 

Now I’m going to go put a cork on the end of a fork and start sending that and eye patches to members of TBD.

 

 https://tenor.com/view/stevemartin-cork-fork-funny-gif-5689634

[CookieG]

20 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

Agreed. 

 

Also and plus - the original point was that saying Mahomes was considered a “generational prospect” is flat out revisionist history. He flew up draft board post season during combines and was thought of as a physically gifted prospect that had poor footwork, came from a college offense that produced big numbers but not good pro QBs, and was extremely reckless with his throws. 

Nah, its not that revisionist.  Or its only revisionist for those who didn't think he'd amount to much. 

Because they couldn't see past the footwork, they'd overlook the accuracy he has. Because of the system he was in, they overlooked his playmaking ability..especially his ability to improvise. It goes on and on.

 

Well, you were wrong about him. More importantly, McD was ...well..horribly wrong. 

 

Accept it.

 

20 minutes ago, dubs said:

 

NFL GMs has him as high as mid first all the way down to a 4th rounder as late as mid-April!  Expecting a new coach using lame duck GM/staff insight to take a guy like that is hilarious and shows me dude has no idea what he’s talking about and only cares to tell people he doesn’t know on a message board that he rated Mahomes as a “generational” prospect. Pathetic really. 

 

It doesn't matter where Todd McShay might have had him rated, or where some kid from SBNation might have had him rated.

 

To Andy Reid, he was actually a generational talent. He's said so.

If Bruce Arians is to be believed, and I don't doubt him, he also wanted him. I think he's said something like, he'd still have his job today.

NO wanted him. He was to be Drew Brees' successor.

 

If you notice something about those three franchises. 

 

Three places that know the value of a good QB.

Three places/people that don't take a QB high very often.

Three places/people that saw things in him that the amateurs didn't see.

 

Teams that knew QB's wanted him.

 

THOSE are the ratings that matter. Not the ratings that come off some fan blog or the lips of a Mel Kiper.

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

Hopefully, you can find a way not to be that guy. Seriously. I think most of us have been there at one point or another; however, if you can find a way to follow them that doesn't trigger such a level of frustration, it would be so much more enjoyable. 

 

I have. Getting high before games really helps. Peterman throws a pick and then you giggle. Weed is a must before Bills games.