When was the last time an NFL team gave up on a HC too soon?

[oldmanfan]

35 minutes ago, pop gun said:

No I don't know that and neither do you. 

 

Not For Long league applies not only to players but coaches also.

A coach that made the playoffs last year and has a plan going forward is not getting fired this season.  If it somehow makes you feel better to bark at the moon about it have fun.

[Cripple Creek]

16 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

SInce Mcd isnt getting fired.....I dont know why this is even a question

Sometimes intelligent people enjoy discussing topics that don't apply to exactly what someone else has decided is a forgone conclusion.  Of course sometimes intelligent people knew very quickly that EJ Manual was crap whist it took others much, much longer to catch on.

[mannc]

36 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

A coach that made the playoffs last year and has a plan going forward is not getting fired this season.  If it somehow makes you feel better to bark at the moon about it have fun.

Coaches who so badly botch their team’s QB situations are an endangered species, even if they managed to go 9-7 the year before.  I agree it’s unlikely McDermott gets canned this year, but discussing the possibility  is hardly beyond the pale. And it remains to be seen that he “has a plan going forward.”  There is no actual proof of that, or that it’s a worthwhile plan.

Edited November 4, 2018 by mannc

[Coach Tuesday]

Bruce Arians is really the only one.  And his situation was anomalous - he wasn’t exactly fired, so much as he wasn’t retained after serving as interim head coach.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Coach Tuesday

[K-9]

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

There's 0 examples of this with the Bills in recent history.(Could argue Wade)

 

Yet there is always that crew here(who is always wrong) trying to shut down those fans.?

I’m not trying to stifle any conversation, just raising a different question. I don’t think either question is limited to the Bills and their “recent” history, either. But if you need qualifiers, feel free. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Good thread idea. Where would you put Marrone? He wasn't fired, but with no extension offered and the retention of Whaley, he clearly thought that the situation was untenable. 

 

Another good one to think about: Mularkey was fired after getting the team to the playoffs (and his second straight winning season), but I personally thought it was the right move. That team played below their level of ability because of the offensive game planning, in my view.

I think Harbaugh got on the bad side of the poisonous people in that organization (Trent Balke etc.) They fired the wrong person.

 

He fell out with everyone. Don't get me wrong Harbaugh is a better coach than Balke is a GM but he grates on people in time because he has one setting. I think 4 years is about his shelf life in places. 

[dave mcbride]

50 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

There's 0 examples of this with the Bills in recent history.(Could argue Wade)

 

Yet there is always that crew here(who is always wrong) trying to shut down those fans.?

Interestingly, Bill Polian always said that one guy who should have gotten another chance was Kay Stephenson, whom Polian thought was a good coach in a bad situation in Buffalo.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

I think continuity for continiuity sake sake is idiotic. Continuity comes cause ya win, ya don’t win cause ya have continuity. 

 

You don't win when you don't have continuity either.

 

[mannc]

5 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

He's not getting fired this season.  And you know that.

I predict that this post will age poorly.

[Elite Poster]

When was the last time this team has been blown out so many times under one coach in such a small amount of time. Almost 40% of our losses are 20+ points. 

 

Dumb coach.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Just keep clapping at building 

[nedboy7]

This team is unwatchable.   He cant get fired soon enough.  Maybe 3rd Q? 

I did start Bears D so it aint all bad. 

Edited November 4, 2018 by nedboy7

[PeterDude]

McClappity needs to go, bottom line.

[Watkins90]

19 hours ago, BillsVet said:

The rule Belichick applies to players  to let them go a year early and not a year late should apply to HCs and GMs.  They have so much power that letting them continue a flawed plan only makes more work for the next leadership group.  

 

 

How do you know it’s a flawed plan? Big if, but would this year be forgivable if we win two Super Bowls in the next five years? We don’t know what the future holds.

[NoSaint]

20 minutes ago, Watkins90 said:

How do you know it’s a flawed plan? Big if, but would this year be forgivable if we win two Super Bowls in the next five years? We don’t know what the future holds.

 

What odds are you giving on a bet here?

[IronyAbounds]

As bad as this front office is, and I'm pretty certain they are in the bottom five of NFL, the people hiring the front office, i.e., the Pegulas, are absolutely clueless about running a football team so in all likelihood anyone they'd pick for the front office won't be much better. I'm not sure there's anyone with even a smidgen of competence associated with the Bills at this point.

[CowgirlsFan]

Jerry Jones once said he regretted not giving Chan Gailey longer.

[PlayoffsPlease]

3 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

You don't win when you don't have continuity either.

 

you just cant grasp the concept

[Maine-iac]

4 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

There's 0 examples of this with the Bills in recent history.(Could argue Wade)

 

Yet there is always that crew here(who is always wrong) trying to shut down those fans.?

I'm going to put on my flame suit and go out on a limb and say maybe (just maybe) if Rex had one more season and one more draft he might have been able to turn the corner with his defense.  His defense was always dependent on safety play and he always had injuries and problems at safety.  Mario absolutely didn't help either.  Either way the teams were pretty close to being good but just needed something to get over the hump.  Especially on defense. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

you just cant grasp the concept

 

Oh really?

 

The bills had what, NINE head coaches from 2000-2017? Do the math, genius. That's one every two years.

And what, pray tell, does a new coach do when he comes into town and there's NOT HIS GUYS on the roster?

 

That's right, smart guy. He gets rid of those guys and brings his guys in, whether or not he needs to. Ergo, you smartest of the smart, CHANGING ***** COACHES EVERY TWO YEARS LEADS TO ROSTER DISRUPTION AND ULTIMATELY FAILURE.

 

I think it's YOU that doesn't grasp the concept, Einstein.

 

[Chris66]

3 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

You don't win when you don't have continuity either.

 

Sure you can, but it doesnt work when the person doing the hiring goes in a completely opposite direction because they dont understand the business they are hiring for.

[Kelly the Dog]

I actually think the Rex teams were more disciplined than this team. For such a disciplinarian and guy who insists on football character these guys are ridiculously undisciplined in a lot of different ways. 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I actually think the Rex teams were more disciplined than this team. For such a disciplinarian and guy who insists on football character these guys are ridiculously undisciplined in a lot of different ways. 

 

Rex's team did more dumb *****. But the pre-snap stuff feels worse now. 

[mannc]

I’ve always dismissed notions like this out of hand, but does anyone think the Bills would be favored over Alabama on a neutral field?  I honestly think the Bills would lose that game.

[Seoulful Soul]

Bruce Coslet

Ray Handley

 

[Chris66]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’ve always dismissed notions like this out of hand, but does anyone think the Bills would be favored over Alabama on a neutral field?  I honestly think the Bills would lose that game.

Bills would beat them by 30

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Chris66 said:

Bills would beat them by 30

How would they come up with 30 points?

[Chris66]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

How would they come up with 30 points?

Because not every player on bama is a nfl caliber player. I would bet bills could run every down and score over thirty

[K-9]

15 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I actually think the Rex teams were more disciplined than this team. For such a disciplinarian and guy who insists on football character these guys are ridiculously undisciplined in a lot of different ways. 

And that’s a direct indictment on the coaches, imo. 

 

 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, K-9 said:

And that’s a direct indictment on the coaches, imo. 

 

 

Absolutely. The Bills are playing with a handicap because McDermott only wants certain kinds of players. If that is going to be the case, it better be some sort of advantage to you if it's going to also be a disadvantage. But we are not getting any of the advantage to that. These guys get disheartened (for good reason), they don't always try, they get all kinds of undisciplined penalties, they are extremely inconsistent, etc. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, Chris66 said:

Because not every player on bama is a nfl caliber player. I would bet bills could run every down and score over thirty

I disagree.  I would bet that every starter on the Alabama team this year will at least get invited to an NFL camp, and more than half will be drafted (although obviously not all this year), with probably 8 or more of those guys picked in the first two rounds.  And they are obviously better coached than the Bills.

[mjt328]

Most NFL coaches are average. 

In order to be successful, they need talented players who fit their scheme (especially at QB).

 

I don't think Sean McDermott is anything special.  He's average.

But you can't expect him to win games, when the offensive talent is below standards and our quarterback play is this terrible.

 

Firing McDermott just restarts the endless cycle. 

You just bring in another average coach, who wants to change schemes and bring in his own guys.  The offense takes a step forward.  The defense goes backwards.

 

 

Let this regime finish this rebuilding plan.  Give them 4 seasons.  Then judge where the team stands.

If the talent level isn't good enough, then fire Brandon Beane.  If there is talent, but it's underachieving, then fire McDermott.

 

 

[Peter]

I think it would be extremely unfair to give up on a coach in less than two years.  That would be idiotic and unfair.

 

As for McCoach, if ownership decided to move on from McClappy, I suspect that I would not shed any tears.

 

I suppose, if ownership were to fire McCoach, it would just be part of the "process."

Edited November 4, 2018 by Peter

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I actually think the Rex teams were more disciplined than this team. For such a disciplinarian and guy who insists on football character these guys are ridiculously undisciplined in a lot of different ways. 

What makes you think that he's a disciplinarian?  He's far from it.  A disciplinarian would have sat Benjamin's ass on the bench in the first game of the season.  He's bluster not discipline. 

[Maine-iac]

It isn't that McDermott is so terrible, by himself.  It's that he is constantly married to an offensive staff that is wholly and entirely incapable of evaluating or coaching.  They are seeking out and retaining players on offense that are terrible and they have traded away or let players go that were far better than anything they've replaced them with.  The promise was that everyone they were replacing was replaceable and inferior and that bringing in different players was the answer.  The truth is that the coaching on offense is sub par and that each player they let go or replaced only increased the talent deficit until we now have the most inept offense in the NFL and it's not even close.

Edited November 4, 2018 by Maine-iac

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, Maine-iac said:

It isn't that McDermott is so terrible, by himself.  It's that he is constantly married to an offensive staff that is wholly and entirely incapable of evaluating or coaching.  They are seeking out and retaining players on offense that terrible and they have traded away or let players go that were far better than anything they've replaced them with.  The promise was that everyone they were replacing was replaceable and inferior and that bringing in different players was the answer.  The truth is that the coaching on offense is sub par and that each player they let go or replaced only increased the talent deficit until we now have the most inept offense in the NFL and it's not even close.

He was the one that hired Dennison and then fired Dennison and then hired Daboll and also the one that still insists on playing Nathan Peterout. 

 

And Castillo. 

[Coach Tuesday]

12 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

He was the one that hired Dennison and then fired Dennison and then hired Daboll and also the one that still insists on playing Nathan Peterout. 

 

And Castillo. 

 

I mean, by what objective criteria do folks think the Pegulas will be judging these two?  Did making the playoffs last year buy them four years of sucking?

[Maine-iac]

I'm just saying for too long we are throwing the baby out with the bath water.  McDermott seemingly can keep this team competitive on defense but can't tell his b-hole from a hole in the ground when it comes to offense.  I'm saying if there is an OC who comes available that has a moderately proven track record it would not hurt my feeling to see Daboll get dumped.  I stated long before and players on defense stepped foot on the field that McDermott would turn the defense around because you could see from his experience that he was capable of it.  Many were saying the defense would be swiss cheese.  It was evident early on the defense was a ton better.  The second we hire a real offensive talent to coach you will see a difference.  Whether you have a roster full of pro bowlers or not a well coached unit will show up and look at the very least capable of being competitive.