blacklabel Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Zaso Art Designs said: Another thing that he keeps saying is that we have a young football team. But the team isn't that young. 40% of the roster is made up of 1st & 2nd year players. Edited October 30, 2018 by blacklabel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Success said: I don’t want Beane or anyone talking to the media about strategy like they’re an open book. This is ridiculous. That's fine...but the problem is there's nothing on the field that shows any kind of direction either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: 40% of the roster is made up of 1st & 2nd year players. That was McDermott's choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Zaso Art Designs said: Another thing that he keeps saying is that we have a young football team. But the team isn't that young. Just the good players are. The old one are not only old but also not very good, especially on offense. Excpet Dawkins- he had a bad night and he’s young. Edited October 30, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: this is exactly where i'm at with it. I understand the frustration, but I don't get why people are talking like this is the regime's last chance. This is their first year under Beane. It's not like they're in year 3 of the rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said: That's fine...but the problem is there's nothing on the field that shows any kind of direction either. No, but I can guess at what they’re doing. It’s a total rebuild - which they will never tell the media. Fans here aren’t used to that kind of rebuild. We’re used to regimes that try to take half measures in the spirit of staying minimally competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: 40% of the roster is made up of 1st & 2nd year players. 30th in average age. And Derek Anderson didn't help this. https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2017-edition/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Correct, you have to convince WR and TE and RB FA's to come to Buffalo and play with Josh Allen. When Rick Dennison was already fired, when Brian Daboll has the offense at 10 ppg. In a division that the Patriots are ruling again. You're coming to them with poop and selling it as filet mignon. Here, look into McDermott's eyes and get excited about studying tape and working really hard......get excited about 3rd and manageable and field position!!!! We got into this situation by over paying free agents. To get anyone to come here we'll have to do the same thing all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuelTime Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Head coaching is easy. That's all I have to say about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, jrober38 said: That was McDermott's choice. It's the nature of a rebuild, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Have you looked to see how much cap space a lot of other teams have? Our cap space isn’t going to solve our problems. 80 million buys 8-10 quality starters. Can you imagine adding 8-10 quality starters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: DeFilippo has 8 games of experience as an OC. Before that never higher than QB coach. It might work but McDermott has a much more extensive resume and I think we need to give the rebuild time. He was Pettine’s OC in Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: I understand the frustration, but I don't get why people are talking like this is the regime's last chance. This is their first year under Beane. It's not like they're in year 3 of the rebuild. exactly. it's the off season that's really going to be the one that defines this staff. i'm not predicting success, but i want to see how they try to right the ship before i turn on everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, blacklabel said: 40% of the roster is made up of 1st & 2nd year players. You say this as if when these players get older it guarantees us a better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Sean on the sideline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: 80 million buys 8-10 quality starters. Can you imagine adding 8-10 quality starters? and all the quality starters available are coming to Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said: 80 million buys 8-10 quality starters. Can you imagine adding 8-10 quality starters? No I can’t imagine that because it’s not going to happen. I don’t even think there that many quality starters in the entire FA class, much less ones that will want to sign here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Bangarang said: He was Pettine’s OC in Cleveland. My bad then. I thought this was his first OC job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, LeGOATski said: It's the nature of a rebuild, isn't it? I assume other teams than just the Bills are rebuilding. Hard to imagine anyone else having as few players on the roster who were draft 3 or more years ago. What we're doing seems to be uncommon...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: exactly. it's the off season that's really going to be the one that defines this staff. i'm not predicting success, but i want to see how they try to right the ship before i turn on everyone. I also want to see Josh Allen's development. He's the one big decision I've had a problem with. I think they drafted the wrong guy. If that's the case, it really puts them in a hole. But, we just won't know until after next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, K-GunJimKelly12 said: You say this as if when these players get older it guarantees us a better team. Remember when Tom Modrak talked about the "jump" players make from Year 1 to Year 2 like it was a given? I remember an interview about Chris Ellis (3rd Rounder VT 2007/2008) and how he would just keep improving and improving. This is never a given in this league. How did practice time work for T.J. Graham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: DeFilippo has 8 games of experience as an OC. Before that never higher than QB coach. It might work but McDermott has a much more extensive resume and I think we need to give the rebuild time. San Jose State, Browns, also been a Offensive Quality control Coach and developed QBs. What has McD done on offense besides one failed OC already, Historically bad offense, passing on Mahomes? Edited October 30, 2018 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said: I love this built-in excuse of the $80 million in cap money next year. Do you know how many teams have a lot of cap space for next year? This has the potential of a roll-over excuse for McBeane next year too if they don't end up spending much of that. The truth is...we have less young talent than we should in year 2 of what a successful rebuild would. We shouldn't have this many band-aids on offense in year 2. We basically still need to put together an entire offense with skill players and at least 3 positions on the offensive line. It's downright scary how much work there is to do on that side of the ball. Disagree that you can claim this.. I think we've seen plenty from the defensive side. The thing about the 40% stat of the team made up by year 1 and 2 players is that year 1 and 2 players have THE most room to improve (when compared to a veteran). So the Bills have got significant upswing potential on their roster. Shore up the O-Line in the draft. Add an explosive WR in FA 40% of the roster now in year 2 and 3 results in improved play ...I just don't think tossing McDermott is the best idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I assume other teams than just the Bills are rebuilding. Hard to imagine anyone else having as few players on the roster who were draft 3 or more years ago. What we're doing seems to be uncommon...... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, jrober38 said: I assume other teams than just the Bills are rebuilding. Hard to imagine anyone else having as few players on the roster who were draft 3 or more years ago. What we're doing seems to be uncommon...... Tear an offense down to nothing. And replace one piece, the Quarterback with a QB that was marginal at Wyoming. That's it. Cut your WR signing (Kerley) and trade (Coleman) and best UDFA (Foster). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Success said: No, but I can guess at what they’re doing. It’s a total rebuild - which they will never tell the media. Fans here aren’t used to that kind of rebuild. We’re used to regimes that try to take half measures in the spirit of staying minimally competitive. That's being used a crutch now. Part of the rebuilding process, a big part, is talent development. Who's being developed right now on the offensive side of the ball? What are we getting out of having Derek Anderson start these games? Why don't we have another young QB that we could be giving these valuable starts to develop as a legitimate backup or possible starter in case Allen's a bust? They've had 2 offseasons to find one. They watched Peterman last year, it was definitely enough to see he wasn't a guy they should have solely relied on to be the backup. Beane and McDermott are either inept or flat out lazy for not being able to find literally ANY other options. Neither is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Jobot said: Disagree that you can claim this.. I think we've seen plenty from the defensive side. The thing about the 40% stat of the team made up by year 1 and 2 players is that year 1 and 2 players have THE most room to improve (when compared to a veteran). So the Bills have got significant upswing potential on their roster. Shore up the O-Line in the draft. Add an explosive WR in FA 40% of the roster now in year 2 and 3 results in improved play ...I just don't think tossing McDermott is the best idea. any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 10 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: DeFilippo has 8 games of experience as an OC. Before that never higher than QB coach. It might work but McDermott has a much more extensive resume and I think we need to give the rebuild time. Buffalo Bills. Always in rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I think he knew this was coming as part of the rebuild we were always going to struggle this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, jr1 said: Sean on the sideline Nailed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Tear an offense down to nothing. And replace one piece, the Quarterback with a QB that was marginal at Wyoming. That's it. Cut your WR signing (Kerley) and trade (Coleman) and best UDFA (Foster). The offense is a disaster. Every decision this team has made with McDermott as HC on that side of the ball has been a terrible one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Soda Popinski said: I think he knew this was coming as part of the rebuild we were always going to struggle this year. They have 2019 and that's it. You trot Allen out there with this "revamped" offense and he's still struggling, we're getting blown out. See ya McDermott and Beane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_Guy Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 i don't listen to the pressers but it sounds like his verbal answers are as lifeless as physical presence on the sidelines is. Just once I'd like to see him get really pissed off at a player for making a dumb penalty that brings back a good play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 It couldn't bother me less. He would be a fool to speak in the heat of the moment with anymore detail. Hell, Jackson was just made a fool for doing that same thing and now he doesn't have a job. He does not owe the fans anything. At all. What he says to the media is obviously not what he says to the team. That is all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Buffalo Bills. Always in rebuild. Because we change coaches so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, That_Guy said: i don't listen to the pressers but it sounds like his verbal answers are as lifeless as physical presence on the sidelines is. Just once I'd like to see him get really pissed off at a player for making a dumb penalty that brings back a good play. Look harder. He gets heated often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Southern Bills Fan said: Because we change coaches so often. Excuse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: They have 2019 and that's it. You trot Allen out there with this "revamped" offense and he's still struggling, we're getting blown out. See ya McDermott and Beane. Why wait though? Based on the results over the past 25 games, why would anyone with a brain in their head entrust Beane and McDermott to fix the offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said: They have 2019 and that's it. You trot Allen out there with this "revamped" offense and he's still struggling, we're getting blown out. See ya McDermott and Beane. Maybe, but I don't think so. I think McDermott and Beane have Pegula convinced that the process is going to take a while. I do believe that 2020 is make or break. They had 3 years to build a culture, draft a QB, and remake the roster. In 2019 there will be a ton of new faces starting, I don't expect everything to jell overnight. It never does for the Bills. And Allen was not a year and a half project. He's not going to be much better in 2019 than he is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He’s not going to say “These players are human garbage.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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