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And to think, McCoy was McD's #1 choice for OC last year, then comes Dennison, now DaBoll. This really makes me think that this FO and HC have no clue as to how to approach the offensive side of the ball. I hope I am wrong and DaBoll proves with Anderson that his scheme will work with marginal QB talent as long as it is executed. After seeing Rosen get obliterated last night, it's a good thing that Allen can take a few weeks to recover and get some insight.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-fire-mike-mccoy-after-humiliating-effort-against-broncos-byron-leftwich-named-oc/

 

Edit:  I added case history from a later post for sake of discussion.

 

Here's our case history:

#1 - wants Mike McCoy as his OC - is turned down. (McCoy sh*ts the bed in Arizona and is fired)

#2 - hires Rico Dennison

#3 - passes on Patrick Mahomes

#4 - lets Goodwin, Woods, Watkins walk- drafts Zay Jones.

#5 - has a roster with 2 FB's ( DiMarco and Tolbert) and no dominant run game

#6 - goes into the season with Tyrod and Peterman

#7 - starts Peterman in playoff race- He throws 5 INT in ONE HALF- benched.

#8 - brings in Kelvin Benjamin as the WR savior

#9 - scores 3 points in a playoff game.

#10 - fires Rico, hires Dab

#11- loses 3 OL, brings in Newhouse, Bodine - starts Miller, Groy and Ducasse

#12 - fills WR needs with Foster, McCloud, Proehl, cuts Streater, keeps Holmes

#13 - brings in McCarron as his shiny new QB, passes on Bridgewater.

#14- ships McCarron out for a 5th

#15- starts Peterman a second time and gets his ass spanked 47-3

#16- forced to start his rookie and does not prepare for a backup plan in case of emergency.

#17-finds his QB in Derek Anderson who hasn't played in a meaningful game in 7 years.

 

And I am sure other posters can add to this growing list. This topic is meant to discuss whether we believe McDermott is capable of making any decisions that will lead to improvement on the offensive side of the ball. So far the offense has regressed into a shell of an already weak unit. 

With cap space and draft picks next year can we even trust that this FO can make the right moves.

 

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Though i wasn’t initially a fan of the hire, i can’t even fathom that. He’s now had to prepare 3 different QBs to start a game in 7 weeks, one a raw rookie and one with no TC who was sitting on a beac

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And to think, McCoy was McD's #1 choice for OC last year, then comes Dennison, now DaBoll. This really makes me think that this FO and HC have no clue as to how to approach the offensive side of the b

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What was Rosen obligated to do last night?  Throw some pick 6's???

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5 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

And to think, he was McD's #1 choice for OC last year, then comes Dennison, now DaBoll. This really makes me think that this FO and HC have no clue as to how to approach the offensive side of the ball. I hope I am wrong and DaBoll proves with Anderson that his scheme will work with marginal QB talent as long as it is executed. After seeing Rosen get obligated last night, it's a good thing that Allen can take a few weeks to recover and get some insight.

 

What was Rosen obligated to do last night?  Throw some pick 6's???

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7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Some coaches can’t perform outside of their wheelhouses. Some situations or challenges are simply out of their scope.

Let's hope this isn't the case for DaBoll. I'm still a skeptic, but praying I'm proven wrong.  Arizona sucked last night. And the worst part is that I had David Johnson as my lone Cardinal. Had he scored 3 more points, I would have won about 2 grand, instead I won $40 on Fan Duel. I'm digging these flex format games. 

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It's pretty clear McD wants an experienced OC so he can be hands off on the offense and delegate that.

 

IMO that's a self defeating prophesy, basically "good" experienced OCs are head coaches now, or aren't going to leave for our situation.  So by limiting to experienced OCs and not taking a chance on lower position coaches, we are hiring into a scheme that's failed somewhere else.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

It's pretty clear McD wants an experienced OC so he can be hands off on the offense and delegate that.

 

IMO that's a self defeating prophesy, basically "good" experienced OCs are head coaches now, or aren't going to leave for our situation.  So by limiting to experienced OCs and not taking a chance on lower position coaches, we are hiring into a scheme that's failed somewhere else.

 

 

Just pick up the failed head coaches that were always great coordinators, to be our coordinators. Seems to work well - did for us with Schwartz at least. Pick up a failed head coach who was always a great OC to be our OC - less likely they get sought after by other teams with a lackluster track record as an HC. 

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12 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

He was decent as OC in Denver with Kyle Orton and later Tim Tebow as his QB's.  That's why he got the HC gig at San Diego.  

Then, his schemes become stale and easy to defend, and he runs out of new ideas to adjust the offense to keep it effective. As a result, he gets fired again and again.

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7 minutes ago, COTC said:

There were rumblings just two day ago about this.  Thank God McD didn’t hire him initially. 

 

Hopefully Dabs is next...

 

It wouldn’t be a good look for McD if he fires 2 OCs in 2 years. Probably wouldn’t be good for Allen either having to learn another offense.

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wonder if daboll could get the boot if this week is  adud?

Though i wasn’t initially a fan of the hire, i can’t even fathom that. He’s now had to prepare 3 different QBs to start a game in 7 weeks, one a raw rookie and one with no TC who was sitting on a beach 10 days ago. He has limited talent to work with as well. Firing him right now would be ridiculous. 

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It wouldn’t be a good look for McD if he fires 2 OCs in 2 years. Probably wouldn’t be good for Allen either having to learn another offense.

We sorely need that second head coach leading the offense though. Looks like McD would very much like to just leave that entire half of the team to a competent playcaller, and it's very much needed. But I doubt Daboll goes after the offense we have this year, while a good amount of it is on him, he'll be able to ride the rookie qb train for this year at least.

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5 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

It wouldn’t be a good look for McD if he fires 2 OCs in 2 years. Probably wouldn’t be good for Allen either having to learn another offense.

Yeah. For the sake of continuity, let’s keep a failed OC, just because McD is worried about his reputation. 

 

That makes a lot of sense. 

 

 

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The Bills have problems with their OL and WR. 

Things would be much calmer around here if everyone would realize this isn't going to be a good year for them. The Bills need to clear cap space and right now they are playing with little to no talent at WR and OL. Doesn't matter who the OC was going to be they just don't have the talent on that side of the ball to compete. 

 

The Bills are going to have cap space at the end of the year and will be able to address some issues in FA and they will have good draft capital to move around the board and get the players they want. 

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11 minutes ago, ctk232 said:

We sorely need that second head coach leading the offense though. Looks like McD would very much like to just leave that entire half of the team to a competent playcaller, and it's very much needed. But I doubt Daboll goes after the offense we have this year, while a good amount of it is on him, he'll be able to ride the rookie qb train for this year at least.

That’s mcds problem. He doesn’t coach the entire team. He is 1/2 the man he should be. 

 

He needs to rely on his coaches to make decisions on the offensive side off the ball, a recipe for failure. 

5 minutes ago, Yav said:

The Bills have problems with their OL and WR. 

Things would be much calmer around here if everyone would realize this isn't going to be a good year for them. The Bills need to clear cap space and right now they are playing with little to no talent at WR and OL. Doesn't matter who the OC was going to be they just don't have the talent on that side of the ball to compete. 

 

The Bills are going to have cap space at the end of the year and will be able to address some issues in FA and they will have good draft capital to move around the board and get the players they want. 

We made the playoffs last year, we were supposed to grow off that. 

 

Never were expectations set as a rebuilding/ failed year. 

 

Beane and Mcd tore this roster apart just to spite our previous GM. In turn, we have apologists, like you, making up excuses.  

 

We need to improve on last year or some coaches could be fired. 

 

Beane and McD seat is already warm...I think Dabs is the sacrifice/ excuse this year. 

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8 minutes ago, COTC said:

Yeah. For the sake of continuity, let’s keep a failed OC, just because McD is worried about his reputation. 

 

That makes a lot of sense. 

 

 

 

It's not just for continuity.  What decent OC would want to take this job when the previous OC was giving a QB that throws INT's at a historical rate, a raw rookie who wasn't supposed to start and a guy who was on vacation just 10 days ago....fired after 6 games?

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5 minutes ago, COTC said:

That’s mcds problem. He doesn’t coach the entire team. He is 1/2 the man he should be. 

 

He needs to rely on his coaches to make decisions on the offensive side off the ball, a recipe for failure. 

While accurate not necessarily fair - most HC's don't know both sides completely, if at all. Those that don't hire accordingly, of course, which is more to the point here with McD. But plenty of coaches have only ever coached one side of the ball - and HC's can have varied involvement on each side of the ball as well. The key is having good coordinators that can specialize and create functioning components while you oversee the direction, and/or call your side of the team. 

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2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

It's not just for continuity.  What decent OC would want to take this job when the previous OC was giving a QB that throws INT's at a historical rate, a raw rookie who wasn't supposed to start and a guy who was on vacation just 10 days ago....fired after 6 games?

There are several experienced coaches who would chomp at the bit to land a OC job in the

NFL. 

 

They all don’t share your lack of confidence in this team. 

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16 minutes ago, COTC said:

We made the playoffs last year, we were supposed to grow off that. 

 

Never were expectations set as a rebuilding/ failed year. 

 

Beane and Mcd tore this roster apart just to spite our previous GM. In turn, we have apologists, like you, making up excuses.  

 

We need to improve on last year or some coaches could be fired. 

 

Beane and McD seat is already warm...I think Dabs is the sacrifice/ excuse this year. 

The expectations were always to rebuild? We were never supposed to make the playoffs, and we lucked into it more so thanks to Dalton. Then we show up in the wildcard game and can't even score a TD in a 10-3 loss, in what was otherwise a dominant defensive performance and very winnable game? Not going to build off anything with an offense like that. You might be able to "use the momentum" though, but any building off that team would've led to priced out and aged out players and larger cap issues.

 

If you looked at the roster as well, there was very little future talent that wouldn't otherwise be off the team in 2-3 years time. McBeane was always hired for a rebuild, and most new regimes will always build out their new team. Just because we made the playoffs last year doesn't mean anything, Beane even said as much.

 

The excuse this year? There is none, we just have a deplorable offense due to a lot of factors, but this is otherwise expected in a rebuild (especially with this current roster), and is actually more of what was supposed to happen last year until our defense started playing lights out. It's not an excuse so much as it is reality. You can start warming seats once they bring in an actual offense and try to win with those decisions.

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Firing a OC due to a rookie QB = scapegoat to entertain ownership and fans that the HC is "trying".

 

Do fans and owners realize that rookie QB's are going to struggle that directly relates to the OC?

 

This isn't rocket science.

36 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

wonder if daboll could get the boot if this week is  adud?

Not a huge fan of Daboll but you have to look at what he is handed for talent. The guy is forced a QB who hasn't started in 2 years and prob only knows like 1/4th the playbook. What do you expect to happen here?

 

 

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45 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

And to think, he was McD's #1 choice for OC last year, then comes Dennison, now DaBoll. This really makes me think that this FO and HC have no clue as to how to approach the offensive side of the ball. I hope I am wrong and DaBoll proves with Anderson that his scheme will work with marginal QB talent as long as it is executed. After seeing Rosen get obliterated last night, it's a good thing that Allen can take a few weeks to recover and get some insight.

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/cardinals-fire-mike-mccoy-after-humiliating-effort-against-broncos-byron-leftwich-named-oc/

 

He's a well respected coach in the league, not sure what it has to do with McDermott?

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11 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Not a huge fan of Daboll but you have to look at what he is handed for talent. The guy is forced a QB who hasn't started in 2 years and prob only knows like 1/4th the playbook. What do you expect to happen here?

WR corp is one of the very worse in the league. OLine is not as bad as people say IMO but still below average. A rookie QB and a pick-6 throwing one, now adding a rusty average at best vet. 

 

Fine. But what do I expect to see? Creativity, misdirections, two back sets, more use of these backs though not always down the middle, more use of the TE, etc. I expect a LOT more scheme wise and play calling than what we've seen, even accounting for all the obvious talent limitations on offense.

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