RPbillsfan Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Hard to believe this was our WR group in 2014-2015 in comparison to the hot garbage we are fielding now. Makes me ill 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Hard to believe this was our WR group in 2014-2015 in comparison to the hot garbage we are fielding now. Makes me ill Yep, pretty tough to watch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Great bunch of run blockers 4 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 So you don't like the rebuild? Me neither. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Other than Watkins who was injured people thought that group was trash. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mattynh said: Other than Watkins who was injured people thought that group was trash. I’d remove Woods from the trash group as well. Hogan is still JAG, and Goodwin improved after leaving BUF and dedicating himself to football. Fear of being out of the league can do that to you. Edited October 16, 2018 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? Goodwin has also put up a massive 54 yards in 3 games. Hogan has Brady and he can make any receiver inflate their numbers. I'll give Woods the benefit here but we weren't going to be able to resign him IMO so you can't fault the FO for not retaining him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? They won nothing because they still had no QB. Now, they have no QB and no WRs. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 But as others have said they don’t play special teams. McD could not use them here ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said: Hard to believe this was our WR group in 2014-2015 in comparison to the hot garbage we are fielding now. Makes me ill All could have been retained. Self-inflicted wound. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? We won the right to watch EJ Manuel waste their talents. Nothing else. Watkins is a triple bust. Under performed what the Bills gave for him. Same for the Raiders. Ditto for the Chiefs. Hogan just might benefit from the goat. Goodwin s not that good. Woods would have been smart to keep. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? Weird that the best offenses and coaches seem to want Sammy. and I love the point that if you don’t win a championship, every player is worthless. 5 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, mannc said: All could have been retained. Self-inflicted wound. Very true. Amazing that the best QB the Bills had with those WRs was Kyle Orton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Those are all guys who run crisp routes, beat their man, and catch the ball. They can all blaze down the field and get yards after catch as well. Not a single one of them are "just another guy" including Hogan. Tom frickin Brady does not throw the football to "just another guy" If we cut Zay or KB tomorrow, the pats are not picking up either one and making them their next go-to guy. Zay and KB are "just another guy" not Hogan. Hogan is an excellent receiver. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Weird that the best offenses and coaches seem to want Sammy. and I love the point that if you don’t win a championship, every player is worthless. Strange isn’t it. McVay immediately traded for Cooks when they dropped out of the Watkins derby. He needed a deep threat for that offense to thrive. Reid was more than happy to sign him, even though he has an elite TE in Kelce plus Hill at WR. Haven’t noticed Watkins dropping passes or anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Weird that the best offenses and coaches seem to want Sammy. and I love the point that if you don’t win a championship, every player is worthless. He's on his third team in two years. The best offensive coach in the league did want him you're right, for one year and then let him go on his way. If you want to pay 14 million dollars for 52 catches and 2 touchdowns be my guest. For what its worth, I wasnt only talking about championships. Lest you forget the team everyone here is moaning about every week was in the playoffs last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Talkin Proud said: Those are all guys who run crisp routes, beat their man, and catch the ball. They can all blaze down the field and get yards after catch as well. Not a single one of them are "just another guy" including Hogan. Tom frickin Brady does not throw the football to "just another guy" If we cut Zay or KB tomorrow, the pats are not picking up either one and making them their next go-to guy. Zay and KB are "just another guy" not Hogan. Hogan is an excellent receiver. Tom Brady has thrown TDs to many JAGs in his career, as did Peyton Manning etc. 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He's on his third team in two years. The best offensive coach in the league did want him you're right, for one year and then let him go on his way. If you want to pay 14 million dollars for 52 catches and 2 touchdowns be my guest. For what its worth, I wasnt only talking about championships. Lest you forget the team everyone here is moaning about every week was in the playoffs last year. That’s the FA salary structure in the NFL. Not every player is on a rookie contract.Watkins had 8 TDs with the Rams last year, most of any Rams WR. The money got big, but McVay made sure he replaced Watkins with a guy that has a similar skill set. There’s a reason for that. Edited October 16, 2018 by Boatdrinks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Strange isn’t it. McVay immediately traded for Cooks when they dropped out of the Watkins derby. He needed a deep threat for that offense to thrive. Reid was more than happy to sign him, even though he has an elite TE in Kelce plus Hill at WR. Haven’t noticed Watkins dropping passes or anything. It’s like good coaches know you need a bunch of threats in the passing games because it opens up the field. Weird. 4 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: He's on his third team in two years. The best offensive coach in the league did want him you're right, for one year and then let him go on his way. If you want to pay 14 million dollars for 52 catches and 2 touchdowns be my guest. For what its worth, I wasnt only talking about championships. Lest you forget the team everyone here is moaning about every week was in the playoffs last year. I would take what KC has every day of the week. Part of the reason Hill gets so open is because KC is loaded with threats. Watkins was their leading receiver vs the Jags. Good receivers don’t need to have 100 yards to make an impact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diannand Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Ya it’s pretty bad, would be way better than what we have now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? Overrated! He will be on a new team again next year. Woods is a way better receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Ray Finkel said: Overrated! He will be on a new team again next year. Woods is a way better receiver. Probably why Woods is making more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? Future first ballot HOF left tackle Joe Thomas played his whole career having never been to the playoffs. Maybe "what did we win with these players?" is a faulty argument. Hogan, Watkins, and Woods play on the 3 best teams in the league right now for whatever that's worth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Probably why Woods is making more. Sammy makes 16/year and Woods makes 6.8/year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Play designs, they overcome everything. Those guys are all with great play designers. We’ve had only one of those since about 2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSOL Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Tom Brady has thrown TDs to many JAGs in his career, as did Peyton Manning etc. Hogan's a go to guy on like the greatest football dynasty in history, but ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 33 minutes ago, mattynh said: Other than Watkins who was injured people thought that group was trash. Woods was a very good receiver. And a phenomenal run blocker. He looks pretty damn fast in LA... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Talkin Proud said: Hogan's a go to guy on like the greatest football dynasty in history, but ok. But they’re not a dynasty because of Hogan; it’s the guy throwing him the ball. No shame in it as all the greats have thrown many a TD pass to JAG WRs. If you play long enough ( if you’re good that usually happens) it’s guaranteed. Marino, Manning et al threw lots of passes to guys that were just players in the league, not great players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Joe Thomas? That guy played for the Browns. He's !@#$ing useless. Well put haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 15 minutes ago, Ray Finkel said: Sammy makes 16/year and Woods makes 6.8/year That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: That was my point. I thought you said Woods was making more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, RPbillsfan said: Hard to believe this was our WR group in 2014-2015 in comparison to the hot garbage we are fielding now. Makes me ill None of them did much while here and all were subject to a lot of fan scrutiny in varying degrees. Now you want them all back? You must have a short memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, mattynh said: Other than Watkins who was injured people thought that group was trash. It's not our job to evaluate talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What's hard to believe is that Watkins is the worst of that bunch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: None of them did much while here and all were subject to a lot of fan scrutiny in varying degrees. Now you want them all back? You must have a short memory. Doesn't matter what the fans think, it's up to the GM to evaluate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Hebert19 said: What's hard to believe is that Watkins is the worst of that bunch. That’s because he’s not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Woods is really the only guy I miss. I loved the edge he played with, his tenacious blocking, and he showed some playmaking ability. We simply did not use him as a weapon and I remember him being hurt quite a bit. I'd like to have him back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Woods was a very good receiver. And a phenomenal run blocker. He looks pretty damn fast in LA... 31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: That was my point. So you both would have been fine with the Bills giving him the type of contract the Rams gave him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Watkins is on pace for 52 catches, 720 yards and 2 touchdowns for 14 million dollars a year. For the life of me I do not understand the obsession with this guy. Can someone please tell me what we won when these guys were on the team? With Watkins and Shady, they were top 10 in points scored. And Rex destroyed the defense. Is he worth two first round picks, no. Was he a complete WR when healthy, yes! He has deep speed and size to go over the middle. He was the best combination of WR skills since Moulds. Not elite speed like Lee Evans, but enough to get deep on a regular basis. And his contract would be perfectly fine on this team. They could have given him his 5th year option and still had plenty of cap room. On another note, one might argue there was an injury risk. Well he has not missed any time due to the foot. Beane messed up. Darby and Watkins are far better than Gaines, Mathews, and 2nd and 3rd round picks. And in full disclosure I liked the Darby trade. I thought he was a one year wonder but he is playing well in Philadelphia. I can admit I was wrong. I doubt Beane will. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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