Someone needs to be fired over Mahomes right now.

[Lfod]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

You might be right as far as the order of hiring.....but that train has left the station.

 

Too much complaining about what has been done in the past instead of looking to what might be done for the future......

 

THis season is lost....but we probably will have a top 5 pick and 10 picks in that draft (so far) and 90 million in cap space.......we have punted for this season.....I look to next season.

I was still hoping something could happen this season to build on and it wouldn't be a complete throwaway season. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Lfod said:

I was still hoping something could happen this season to build on and it wouldn't be a complete throwaway season. 

We do have something to biuld upon....our defense is very good

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

The point is the trade itself. My view is that Andy Reid saw that he could roll a former novice of his who he knew was conservative, defense minded, and not a little naive (a corner? Really?). It was essentially like taking candy from a baby. The fact that it was  Reid (a guy who has ALWAYS been right about quarterbacks) of all people who really wanted Mahomes should have told McDermott everything he needed to know.

Yep. If I know Andy Reid is hellbent on getting my draft pick to pick a guy, I'm inclined to go ahead and pick that guy for my own team. Unless I'm the Bills.

[John from Riverside]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

The point is the trade itself. My view is that Andy Reid saw that he could roll a former novice of his who he knew was conservative, defense minded, and not a little naive (a corner? Really?). It was essentially like taking candy from a baby. The fact that it was  Reid (a guy who has ALWAYS been right about quarterbacks) of all people who really wanted Mahomes should have told McDermott everything he needed to know.

It was at the end of the 1st round where we picked......and it ended up being a shut down corner (and the 1st rounder)

 

He did not roll anybody

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yep. If I know Andy Reid is hellbent on getting my draft pick to pick a guy, I'm inclined to go ahead and pick that guy for my own team. Unless I'm the Bills.

So Andy Reid has never made a bad 1st round pick?

 

I actually dont know the answer to that question....but that would make for interesting information.

[Ol Dirty B]

21 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

He is a ROOKIE.......

 

Jesus

In your opinion.......

You can preach this till the cows come home......ppl will overlook it because Mahommes looks better then Allen right now

 

So I point out flaws I see and I get a jesus response in all caps... quality posting there.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

It was at the end of the 1st round where we picked......and it ended up being a shut down corner (and the 1st rounder)

 

He did not roll anybody

Dude. Modern NFL. Get to know it. It's all about the qb. Also, we picked at the end of the first round ... BECAUSE WE TRADED OUT OF THE EARLY FIRST ROUND!

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by dave mcbride

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Ol Dirty B said:

 

So I point out flaws I see and I get a jesus response in all caps... quality posting there.

Your upset that he isnt making perfect change calls at the LOS from a RAW ROOKIE

 

Jesus is warranted

[dave mcbride]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

Your upset that he isnt making perfect change calls at the LOS from a RAW ROOKIE

 

Jesus is warranted

Do you seriously trust McDermott re QBs over Andy Reid??

[John from Riverside]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Dude. Modern NFL. Get to know it. It's all about the qb. Also, we picked at the end of the first round ... BECAUSE WE TRADED OUT OF THE EARLY FIRST ROUND!

And we actually do not know yet if it was the right call or the wrong call......we will not know until we see what kind of product Josh Allen becomes....which we wont know for a couple of years.

 

You do understand that QBs mature at different rates right?   You are trying to compare Mamommes right now to Josh Allen right now

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Do you seriously trust McDermott re QBs over Andy Reid??

No

 

But he was with a group that drafted the Panther's QB.......so there is that

 

 

[Ol Dirty B]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Your upset that he isnt making perfect change calls at the LOS from a RAW ROOKIE

 

Jesus is warranted

 

I don't need perfect calls, I just need some calls. He looks like a deer in headlights at the line in my opinion. I agree, it is premature. I think if he was even in his 2nd year it is early to make a judgment. I really mean it more as a compliment to Mahomes. I didn't see this coming at all, he looks like he's going to be amazing. 

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

And we actually do not know yet if it was the right call or the wrong call......we will not know until we see what kind of product Josh Allen becomes....which we wont know for a couple of years.

 

You do understand that QBs mature at different rates right?   You are trying to compare Mamommes right now to Josh Allen right now

I hope allen becomes decent (he's bad right now). The thing is, mahomes is one of the 2 or 3 best players in the league right now. It is highly unlikely that allen ever becomes as good as mahomes is now, but it's not impossible.

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It was at the end of the 1st round where we picked......and it ended up being a shut down corner (and the 1st rounder)

 

He did not roll anybody

So Andy Reid has never made a bad 1st round pick?

 

I actually dont know the answer to that question....but that would make for interesting information.

In KC, it's been Eric Fisher, Marcus Peters, Dee Ford, Patrick Mahomes

[mannc]

13 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Like I said......its the bills so the sky is falling....and there were several teams that actually did need QBs that also passed on him.

 

I have no problem believing that despite the fact that he was brought along the right way and fell into a perfect situation.....I also think he would look flat aweful in our situation (starting Allen too early....no protection...no running game...no receivers......Deboll looks like a flop)

 

Anyone who thinks Mahommes would have come here, started immediately, and played with our offense would actually look good....they are fooling themselves.

Stop.  First of all, there is no player in the NFL named Mahommes.

 

Second, the “he would have sucked here” argument is the most pathetic cop-out ever.  It’s an objective fact that MAHOMES is a great QB and we could have had him without trading up.  It’s also an objective fact that, until further notice, the Bills’ QB situation is the worst in the league.

[Ol Dirty B]

21 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

They were playing out the last days of the old GM while searching for their new GM. Did you want the last GM to pick the quarterback moving forward When he was going to be fired soon after? 

 

Maybe it was just bad timing.

 

I think they should have done what every team does. Clean house in January, not the day after the draft and act like you're revolutionizing the NFL calendar. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

I hope allen becomes decent (he's bad right now). The thing is, mahomes is one of the 2 or 3 best players in the league right now. It is highly unlikely that allen ever becomes as good as mahomes is now, but it's not impossible.

And that's the incredibly obvious, self-evident point that makes it so frustrating trying to argue with McDermott/Beane (and or lame duck Whaley) supporters. Obviously, in retrospect, it was a huge mistake not drafting Mahomes, no matter what happens with Allen in the future. You can argue rationally that at the time it wasn't an awful decision since obviously not everyone was sold on Mahomes (he did, after all, go 10th overall). But with hindsight? Please, just admit it.

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

Stop.  First of all, there is no player in the NFL named Mahommes.

 

Second, the “he would have sucked here” argument is the most pathetic cop-out ever.  It’s an objective fact that MAHOMES is a great QB and we could have had him without trading up.  It’s also an objective fact that, until further notice, the Bills’ QB situation is the worst in the league.

I thought it was spell check, but I think it's not that simple. My theory: John is from Riverside, which is kind of near where Josh Homme and his Queens of the Stone Age are from. So I think it's Homme-Mahomes interference. Whatever. I'm glad someone finally pointed it out.

[17 Josh Allen]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

And that's the incredibly obvious, self-evident point that makes it so frustrating trying to argue with McDermott/Beane (and or lame duck Whaley) supporters. Obviously, in retrospect, it was a huge mistake not drafting Mahomes, no matter what happens with Allen in the future. You can argue rationally that at the time it wasn't an awful decision since obviously not everyone was sold on Mahomes (he did, after all, go 10th overall). But with hindsight? Please, just admit it.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. It’s just like those Hillary Clinton fans, they can not accept they lost to Trump. The never Mahomers are in hiding and are having a hard time with this. People who knew and predicted Mahomes was the next favre are enjoying the ride. 

Edited October 22, 2018 by 17 Josh Allen

[mannc]

1 minute ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. It’s just like those Hillary Clinton fans, they can not accept they lost to Trump. The never Mahomers are in hiding and are having a hard time with this. People who knew and predict Mahomes was the next favre are enjoying the ride. 

Actually, Favre did not look nearly this good at this stage of the game.

[BringBackOrton]

Every week, certain posters hope that THIS TIME Mahomes will be figured out and suck.

 

Guess who they are?

[fridge]

Andy Reid has proven time and time again that he is a QB master.  Josh Allen would probably look pretty sick in KC right now.

 

Of course Mahomes is good, and of course it seems like he'll end up the better QB, but do any of you truly believe it would work here with this coaching staff? We deliberately stunt our offense and willfully neglect addressing entire positions.

[SDS]

Personally, I don’t care if people want to discuss a dynamic player in the league. But if this topic continues to be a huge pissing match, where people just keep poking people in the eyes week after week after week, then we should just close it and get on with life. 

[fridge]

Just now, SDS said:

Personally, I don’t care if people want to discuss a dynamic player in the league. But if this topic continues to be a huge pissing match, where people just keep poking people in the eyes week after week after week, then we should just close it and get on with life. 

 

I haven't been here for the whole thread so I don't know how bad it's gotten, but surely the Bills are linked to Mahomes regardless of the fan opinion and polarizing view points.

 

We traded out of the pick used to take him, despite being in the market for a QB.  It's an undeniable Bills topic, not just "discussing a dynamic player in the league".

[SDS]

5 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

I haven't been here for the whole thread so I don't know how bad it's gotten, but surely the Bills are linked to Mahomes regardless of the fan opinion and polarizing view points.

 

We traded out of the pick used to take him, despite being in the market for a QB.  It's an undeniable Bills topic, not just "discussing a dynamic player in the league".

 

They are only linked in fans’ minds. Regardless, if the same people want to make the same point every week about the Bills not picking him then it is time to move on. If they want to discuss his play then by all means enjoy the show. It’s been 18 months. This is not a recent development and there have been 42 pages of venting. 

[John from Riverside]

31 minutes ago, mannc said:

Stop.  First of all, there is no player in the NFL named Mahommes.

 

Second, the “he would have sucked here” argument is the most pathetic cop-out ever.  It’s an objective fact that MAHOMES is a great QB and we could have had him without trading up.  It’s also an objective fact that, until further notice, the Bills’ QB situation is the worst in the league.

Its an objective fact that Patrick Mahommes is a great QB?

 

Really......do you realize how many QBs have looked "great" only to flame out after a few years.....

 

Playing awesome right now no doubt......but that needs to be reserved for when he has some seasons under his belt.

 

And yes.....his situation is awesome and ours is aweful....so it makes sense that he would not play a well here

22 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Every week, certain posters hope that THIS TIME Mahomes will be figured out and suck.

 

Guess who they are?

I will bite.  Who are they?

28 minutes ago, 17 Josh Allen said:

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner. It’s just like those Hillary Clinton fans, they can not accept they lost to Trump. The never Mahomers are in hiding and are having a hard time with this. People who knew and predicted Mahomes was the next favre are enjoying the ride. 

Did you even follow Brett Farve's career?   THis is a serious question.

 

Because if you did you would not have made that statement

[The Frankish Reich]

6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Its an objective fact that Patrick Mahommes is a great QB?

 

Really......do you realize how many QBs have looked "great" only to flame out after a few years.....

 

Playing awesome right now no doubt......but that needs to be reserved for when he has some seasons under his belt.

 

And yes.....his situation is awesome and ours is aweful....so it makes sense that he would not play a well here

No, we shouldn't call him "great" just yet. Maybe after a couple full seasons of this level of performance? Sure. But "having a great season" and "off to a great" (in some ways, unprecedented) start? Sure. I'm not sure any QB has ever started his career with similarly outstanding performances ever turned out to be anything other than great. Feel free to provide an example to the contrary; for me, none come to mind.

EDIT: one arguable candidate that does come to mind: Greg Cook, Bengals 1969. He was outstanding from Game 1, but a torn rotator cuff destroyed his career. So I've thought of one, but it seems to fall in the injury exception category.

Edited October 22, 2018 by The Frankish Reich

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

No, we shouldn't call him "great" just yet. Maybe after a couple full seasons of this level of performance? Sure. But "having a great season" and "off to a great" (in some ways, unprecedented) start? Sure. I'm not sure any QB has ever started his career with similarly outstanding performances ever turned out to be anything other than great. Feel free to provide an example to the contrary; for me, none come to mind.

There are some qbs that were good their 1st years that fell back to earth......Dak.....Carr?

 

I really dont think Mahommes will ever be less then a quality starter at this point....that was not my arguement at all.   His team understands the importance of putting a team around him and keeping it there I think.

 

I think Josh Allen is on the Trubiski track now.

[The Frankish Reich]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

There are some qbs that were good their 1st years that fell back to earth......Dak.....Carr?

 

I really dont think Mahommes will ever be less then a quality starter at this point....that was not my arguement at all.   His team understands the importance of putting a team around him and keeping it there I think.

 

I think Josh Allen is on the Trubiski track now.

Well, there's something we can agree on. Trubisky still makes lots of mistakes, but he also makes some huge plays, and there's every reason to believe he'll continue getting better.  I could live with that. It's not Mahomes, but I could live with that.

[Scott7975]

The real mistake was not hiring Andy Reid when he was available.  I was banging the drum for that one.  We could be KC right now and for the past five years.  They didn't even try.  Too busy trying to get yet another no name coach.  Although, I did like Marrone he is nowhere near Reid.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I hate to admit it but Mahomes is pretty good. Although so far he is only QB out of the air raid system that has been any good. Keenum is solid but will never be great.

 

 

[Rc2catch]

My biggest issue with this whole debate is the sample size is so small, and that offense is unstoppable. 

Alex friggen Smith looked like a sure fire hall of famer for half the season there last year. 

I hate to wish injuries on players but I’d love to see what Mahomes could do without Kelce and Hill one week. To me, greatness is being able to make stars out of players who aren’t exactly that great. Brady, Brees, Manning, Rodgers all make these receivers house hold names and a large majority of those guys hit free agency and are never that good again. 

Take away a couple weapons I’m not sold Mahomes is going to be making these stats. 

Andy Reid is great at designing his offense around his weapons, always has been. However everyone knows the track record at the end of the season/playoffs when all those formations and motions are on tape and they start seeing top defenses who are familiar with the offense they run. 

In my opinion Reid has done an amazing job making the kid comfortable and slowing the game down for him. I’m just not sold yet. 

I have to believe 85% of the quarterbacks in the NFL could be piling up similar stats in this offense. 

Lining up Kelce, Watkins, Hill and having Hunt in the backfield is pretty phenomenal. No defense in the NFL can cover that many weapons. Other teams have similar fire power but I don’t think anyone outside maybe the Rams has that much talent on the field at one time. 

Lets see if they stay healthy or if they lose a couple guys if Mahomes can carry the team. Or if Reid can still gameplan without all that fire power. 

[Jaywrizzo]

On 10/1/2018 at 11:05 PM, Klaista2k said:

Seriously how the !@#$ did we not take this guy?

 

This guy is !@#$ing sensational and might be the best quarterback in the league for YEARS to come.

 

Not taking him is absolutely inexcusable and someone needs to be fired for this epic mistake. 

If they drafted this kid, it wouldn't have matter bcuz these dudes would've just stripped away all the talent at Wr, like they did for Tyrod.....so he would still be running with these bums and this TE that we should've dumped, a long time ago.....when does Clay do anything to justify the money he's actually getting paid? Get whatever you can for this bum and go with the young kid, Croom.

[longtimebillsfan]

How does this thread keep going.  Have you heard the expression don't cry over spilt milk?  Let it go.

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, SDS said:

 

They are only linked in fans’ minds. Regardless, if the same people want to make the same point every week about the Bills not picking him then it is time to move on. If they want to discuss his play then by all means enjoy the show. It’s been 18 months. This is not a recent development and there have been 42 pages of venting. 

 

Cue a "new" topic about the Bills passing on Aaron Rodgers just because in the previous draft they traded up for Losman.

[PeterDude]

Another 4 TD's by Mahomes, and yet the Kool Aid drinkers here think McClappity was right to pass on him, gotta love it!

 

 

[finn]

On 10/1/2018 at 11:13 PM, B Fan in LA said:

 

Our front office pretends like they are genius's, but they are a bunch of very average d*cks.

 

"geniuses"

[papazoid]

100 pages or bust

[bmur66]

Drafting Mahomes would have been the key to rebuilding this team on the fly. There was talent on this team. We wouldn’t be mud sucking butt crackers with 1/3 of this years salary cap being dead. But this is the way they chose to do it. This season was over before it started. A complete waste that I find insulting as a Bills fan and I am not buying what they are putting out there this year. 

If the Bills are not playoff contenders next year and Super Bowl contenders in year 4 or 5 then we have all been played by pretenders. I still have faith in The Process but there is a limit if I feel like I was played for a fool.

[SDS]

1 hour ago, PeterDude said:

Another 4 TD's by Mahomes, and yet the Kool Aid drinkers here think McClappity was right to pass on him, gotta love it!

 

 

 

This is exactly the type of post that will get this topic closed. Grow up.  

[bmur66]

7 hours ago, SDS said:

 

They were playing out the last days of the old GM while searching for their new GM. Did you want the last GM to pick the quarterback moving forward When he was going to be fired soon after? 

 

Maybe it was just bad timing.

Right. But just the fact that Andy Reid wanted to move up for him was good enough for me

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Why draft a major college QB that completed 66% of his passes and threw 41 TD's when we can trade multiple picks to draft a small school college QB that completed 56% and threw 16 TD's? 

[May Day 10]

Mahomes would be sputtering here.  The handling of allen is all we need to see.