What QB to SIgn?

[RyanC883]

44 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

How about Landry Jones?  Steelers cut him before the season started.  He seemed to be a decent backup.

 

I like this idea.  He looked decent in Ben's absence, and can likely share some of what Ben does with Allen--who has similar QB traits to Ben (big , pocket mobile, strong arm) 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

45 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

Isn't EJ still out there? (/snicker)

 

...Cardale is lookin' for work too............

[GG]

12 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Ok I guess I could get on board with a two year contract for a Moore, I personally think it is useless and doesn't help one iota, but that could also be my bias on having a "grizzly mentor vet" in the room is WAY overblown, and is just your standard always happen but no one can really articulate the benefits as to why.  Much like the running on first down thing.  Just old thinking. 

 

I think it's silly to say that having a veteran QB on the roster is useless when you go back in history and hear many star QBs say they were helped early on by the grizzled vets. 

 

There are many flavors of these vets, from the guys who are willing to help out the rookie to Uncle Ricos who still have dreams of stardom.   In your example, Uncle Rico is clearly not needed.  But if Moore or Anderson are the kind to help out the younger and more talented starters, then they should absolutely be considered.

[Mickey]

Colin Kaepernick

Has plenty of experience, been to the Super Bowl and has an uncanny talent for bringing people together. And I am not suggesting this simply because I love reading arguments between people over who are the real Americans, those who despise Kaepernick or those who admire him.

[DuckyBoys]

well were going to need a #2 qb beyond this season as well.  Matt Moore seems a decent option.  No young players, you need a guy that can prepare with minimal snaps during the week and can offer some guidance on the sideline

[Albany,n.y.]

I would bring in a veteran, cut Peterman & re-sign him to the practice squad.  

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, GG said:

 

I think it's silly to say that having a veteran QB on the roster is useless when you go back in history and hear many star QBs say they were helped early on by the grizzled vets. 

 

There are many flavors of these vets, from the guys who are willing to help out the rookie to Uncle Ricos who still have dreams of stardom.   In your example, Uncle Rico is clearly not needed.  But if Moore or Anderson are the kind to help out the younger and more talented starters, then they should absolutely be considered.

What does a Vet in the room Bring that a QB coach doesn't?

 

If you need a VET to coach the rookie in the Room then MAYBE you should look at replacing your QB coach.  Sorry with 9.1M in space this season that would rollover the ONLY positions I am addressing are OL, WR

 

So lets sign some OL and WRs and then IF there is enough room for a BU QB fine, but until that sign in the Positions that will help Allen ON THE FIELD

Edited September 12, 2018 by MAJBobby

[rodneykm]

45 minutes ago, JM57 said:

I know of a certain veteran QB whose best attribute is his mobility. Not sure our fanbase could handle it though.

 

We don't need another circus show here. Thanks. 

[GG]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

What does a Vet in the room Bring that a QB coach doesn't?

 

If you need a VET to coach the rookie in the Room then MAYBE you should look at replacing your QB coach.  Sorry with 9.1M in space this season that would rollover the ONLY positions I am addressing are OL, WR

 

So lets sign some OL and WRs and then IF there is enough room for a BU QB fine, but until that sign in the Positions that will help Allen ON THE FIELD

 

When they show sideline screenshots of the QBs, are the QBs always standing and discussing plays with a coach or each other?  I see a QB coach helping out in practice on technicals.  I see a grizzled QB helping out during the games.  

[Best Player Available]

56 minutes ago, Azucho98 said:

How about Landry Jones?  Steelers cut him before the season started.  He seemed to be a decent backup.

Of all the QB's out there Landry Jones makes the most sense. 

Whoever they take they should have done it this week.

If Peterson is still practice squad eligible. Pretty sure he would clear waivers. lol

[Alphadawg7]

50 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

EJ is not a bad backup.  Gruden is terrible at evaluating qbs.  EJ was better this preseason than AJ.

 

I do agree with this.  I only think it will be Moore or Anderson due to some familiarity with our staff.  And Lynch is my front runner for the sole purpose of the fact they already checked in on him previously.

 

But, on a list as bad as this, EJ actually isnt the worst choice.  And yes, I couldn't understand why Gruden cut EJ then traded a 5th for AJM who had a worse preseason and doesn't know the offense, didn't really make a lot of sense.  

 

Who knows, maybe he thinks AJM has more potential and wanted someone he sees more upside in just in case Carr still sucks lol

Edited September 12, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[MAJBobby]

Just now, GG said:

 

When they show sideline screenshots of the QBs, are the QBs always standing and discussing plays with a coach or each other?  I see a QB coach helping out in practice on technicals.  I see a grizzled QB helping out during the games.  

 With the OC, you know the coach.

 

Who do you think Mahommes listens to his Coaches or Chad Henne?

Trubisky - really a ton of help from Bray and Daniel?

Watson last year - yep he needed Osweiller

 

This is my point No one can point to specific proof that a VET helps a young QB just the hand waiving coach speak and old thinking.

[llyolf]

[Kirby Jackson]

20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

That could be said about a lot of positions on this team though so a BU QB to me is the furthest on the list.  How about two Starting OGs, but yet they will keep trotting Ducasse on the field, what message does that send to the Vets?  Heck when the OWN HC cannot even learn from his continued game days mistakes.  There are a lot of other things I think would improve this team well before who the BU QB is.

 

Name me ONE QB he developed?

 

And we are so worried about a guy that is all goes right the rest of the season (no injury)  will never see the field again what about OG?  WR?  CB?  don't you think we should use our LIMITED cap space (9.1M)  this year to work on positions that actually matter on a weekly basis???

I don’t disagree (at all). Just because there are lots of holes though doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fix some. I’d love to see other moves as well.

 

I’m all for playing younger guys as well and seeing if you find a player or 2. As an example, I’d much rather watch Teller than Ducasse or McCloud than Kerley. I’ll take my chances that those guys MIGHT develop over a guy with a long resume of mediocrity (or worse).

[BarleyNY]

31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

The backup will remain Peterman, What is the point again of signing a THIRD QB?

 

Because when Allen gets hurt behind the current OL then Peterman migjt not be the next man up.  And they’ll need to sign another QB at that point anyway if it’s just Peterman left. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Colin Kaepernick

Has plenty of experience, been to the Super Bowl and has an uncanny talent for bringing people together. And I am not suggesting this simply because I love reading arguments between people over who are the real Americans, those who despise Kaepernick or those who admire him.

 

Political biew aside, the bigger issue is he’s not a good player

[greeneblitz]

Best thing to do for us is let Peterman and Allen ride it out, you bring in a shiny new vet and all of a sudden anytime Allen struggles you're gonna have a sizable group of fans calling for him to be benched.

[Best Player Available]

12 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Colin Kaepernick

Has plenty of experience, been to the Super Bowl and has an uncanny talent for bringing people together. And I am not suggesting this simply because I love reading arguments between people over who are the real Americans, those who despise Kaepernick or those who admire him.

Kap in the unlikely event ever plays in the NFL again wants to be a starter. Dan Patrick drove that home this AM. fwiw. 

He's not interested as  a stop gap vet. Plus if he wins his lawsuit against the NFL. His settlement

might dwarf any team contract. He's done. 

Finally he hates Buffalo and said as much the last time he played at the "Ralph" he complained about 

getting treated the worst in Buffalo during his kneel down tour. 

Edited September 12, 2018 by Best Player Available

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t disagree (at all). Just because there are lots of holes though doesn’t mean you shouldn’t fix some. I’d love to see other moves as well.

 

I’m all for playing younger guys as well and seeing if you find a player or 2. As an example, I’d much rather watch Teller than Ducasse or McCloud than Kerley. I’ll take my chances that those guys MIGHT develop over a guy with a long resume of mediocrity (or worse).

All this year has done to this point is reinforce my serious doubts about McD.  I don't like how this team is being built to be honest and everyone tells me wait to next year wait to next year, almost 100M in cap space and picks, well I don't want to see that space going to some maybe short term gains, maybe it is because I have accepted really how bad this team is this year.

[C.Biscuit97]

43 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

Kaepernick is not the obvious choice. Why would anybody even think that?!?

BecUse he went to a SB and is better than any other QBs on the market.  People are talking about crappy Landry Jones.

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Because when Allen gets hurt behind the current OL then Peterman migjt not be the next man up.  And they’ll need to sign another QB at that point anyway if it’s just Peterman left. 

 

Then HOW ABOUT using the limited cap space to ADDRESS the OL, over a third QB?

 

The BEST outcome for this season is Allen to make every snap from here on out, so use the resources to ensure that happens.

[gobills1212]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

At this point I am all for letting Allen ride this season out. But if he gets hurt or we need a number two I do not want to see Peterman back on the filed. So what is the plan at back up? I like the idea of a vet mentor guy. Also see taking a look at guys with potential. Some ideas below. 

 

Usual has been:

D Anderson

M Moore

 

Huh

Jay Cutler

Colin Kaepernick

 

Really

Paxton Lynch

Davis Webb

 

I have heard of him

Ryan Nassib

Johnny Football

 

2 of these guys are already undercontract. 

More research!!!

Edited September 12, 2018 by gobills1212

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

Best thing to do for us is let Peterman and Allen ride it out, you bring in a shiny new vet and all of a sudden anytime Allen struggles you're gonna have a sizable group of fans calling for him to be benched.

100% agree. 

 

Use the limited resources and Support Allen, you know maybe sign some OGs and WRs

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Political biew aside, the bigger issue is he’s not a good player

Haha, which of these scrubs is better than him? Honest question.  Which qb in a bad year threw 16 tds to 4 ints?  If Allen does that, we will wet ourselves.

[Homey D. Clown]

You CAN"T cut Peterman.  The Raiders will eventually send us a pick or 2 for him in the offseason...

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, which of these scrubs is better than him? Honest question.  Which qb in a bad year threw 16 tds to 4 ints?  If Allen does that, we will wet ourselves.

Not to mention his legs. I think Kaep could be a similar guy as Tyrod. With the right offense he prob has more upside though.

 

My concern would be does he really still want to play football? Or is his heart somewhere else now. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Haha, which of these scrubs is better than him? Honest question.  Which qb in a bad year threw 16 tds to 4 ints?  If Allen does that, we will wet ourselves.

 

 

These guys want a WCO pocket passer. If good TD to Int ratio was the goal they would’ve hung up the phone when Cleveland called about Tyrod. 

 

I do believe allen will be better than Kaep  very shortly if not already. 

Edited September 12, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Seanbillsfan2206]

6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

BecUse he went to a SB and is better than any other QBs on the market.  People are talking about crappy Landry Jones.

Oh how silly of me. How quickly I forgot about his Super Bowl appearance like 5 yrs ago. And he’s been nothing but a professional, highly efficient player since then....

[reddogblitz]

31 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Name me ONE QB he developed?

 

I don't know if he developed any. He has 1 SB ring and 2 conference championships.  He picked QBs others said weren't good enough.  tells  me he knows a good QB when he sees one.  do you think this  is not true?  that he knows a good QB when he sees one when others say he's not good enough?

 

How many QBs did George Allen develop?  Joe Gibbs?  Brian Billick? Red Miller?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

At this point I am all for letting Allen ride this season out. But if he gets hurt or we need a number two I do not want to see Peterman back on the filed. So what is the plan at back up? I like the idea of a vet mentor guy. Also see taking a look at guys with potential. Some ideas below. 

 

Usual has been:

D Anderson

M Moore

 

Huh

Jay Cutler

Colin Kaepernick

 

Really

Paxton Lynch

Davis Webb

 

I have heard of him

Ryan Nassib

Johnny Football

 

 

Moore or Anderson are the only real  choices as we need a veteran who can fill in and more importantly help Allen along. I don't see Cutler doing that.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

Colin Kaepernick for sure. The circus would not be near as huge as it would have been in PS.

 

Otherwise, what about Tyler "Hope and" Bray?

[MAJBobby]

Just now, reddogblitz said:

 

I don't know if he developed any. He has 1 SB ring and 2 conference championships.  He picked QBs others said weren't good enough.  tells  me he knows a good QB when he sees one.  do you think this  is not true?  that he knows a good QB when he sees one when others say he's not good enough?

 

How many QBs did George Allen develop?  Joe Gibbs?  Brian Billick? Red Miller?

Really he did pick them?  Wasn't EVERY one of those QBs in place before he took over the team?

 

Again I stand by my take.  He will fail miserably

[Jerome007]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

The backup will remain Peterman, What is the point again of signing a THIRD QB?

Because it HAS to be a vet with TEACHING skills, one that hopefully wants to coach after his player career is done.

 

Like Favre said, he didn't have to coach Rodgers or make it easy on him to steal his job, so it's not a normal prerequisite of the QB position. In this case, it has to be the required and declared job position. A highly paid one at that! Allen needs all the guidance he can get. Why not? I really think he can be a star. Since he's so raw, helpful minds on little stuff and to exchange with can go a long way to improve his offs of being successful. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

+1 for Matt Moore

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said:

Because it HAS to be a vet with TEACHING skills, one that hopefully wants to coach after his player career is done.

 

Like Favre said, he didn't have to coach Rodgers or make it easy on him to steal his job, so it's not a normal prerequisite of the QB position. In this case, it has to be the required and declared job position. A highly paid one at that! Allen needs all the guidance he can get. Why not? I really think he can be a star. Since he's so raw, helpful minds on little stuff and to exchange with can go a long way to improve his offs of being successful. 

 

I get it, but what is going to help him become a start more than some Vet pulling a paycheck is an ACTUAL QB coach.  Look at the strides he made with Palmer, have those strides been improved on or Stalled with our WR coach playing QB coach?  I would argue Stalled.  And NO vet taking a paycheck for a year will help that because he is just going to reinforce what your QB coach wants.

[longtimebillsfan]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

At this point I am all for letting Allen ride this season out. But if he gets hurt or we need a number two I do not want to see Peterman back on the filed. So what is the plan at back up? I like the idea of a vet mentor guy. Also see taking a look at guys with potential. Some ideas below. 

 

Usual has been:

D Anderson

M Moore

 

Huh

Jay Cutler

Colin Kaepernick

 

Really

Paxton Lynch

Davis Webb

 

I have heard of him

Ryan Nassib

Johnny Football

 

I would go with Anderson Moore or Lynch in that order.  I have the feeling that this Beane is reluctant to sign any other quarterbacks.  I hope I am wrong.

[GG]

25 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 With the OC, you know the coach.

 

Who do you think Mahommes listens to his Coaches or Chad Henne?

Trubisky - really a ton of help from Bray and Daniel?

Watson last year - yep he needed Osweiller

 

This is my point No one can point to specific proof that a VET helps a young QB just the hand waiving coach speak and old thinking.

 

Henne has started 53 career games with a quarterback record of 18-35-0. He owns a 59.3 percent career completion percentage, with 58 touchdowns and 63 interceptions.

 

He had spent the last five seasons in Jacksonville, mentoring the likes of Blaine Gabbert and Blake Bortles. Henne said he helped the young quarterbacks get into a routine, and he even helped serve the Jaguar as a “secondary coach” so to speak.

“They can talk to me,” Henne said. “It’s easy to talk to me obviously as a teammate other than always going to a coach. I can relay that back to the coaches as well. Just kind of a routine, seeing what I see on the field, teach them protections if they need help with that and just go over the game plan and spend a lot of time with them and make sure they’re prepared for each and every Sunday.”

One of the things the Chiefs had to like about Henne is his familiarity with the West Coast offense, which Andy Reid likes to run. Henne has worked in the West Coast system for the last four seasons and said he has the rhythm and throws down.

[MAJBobby]

Just now, GG said:

 

Henne has started 53 career games with a quarterback record of 18-35-0. He owns a 59.3 percent career completion percentage, with 58 touchdowns and 63 interceptions.

 

He had spent the last five seasons in Jacksonville, mentoring the likes of Blaine Gabbert and Blake Bortles. Henne said he helped the young quarterbacks get into a routine, and he even helped serve the Jaguar as a “secondary coach” so to speak.

“They can talk to me,” Henne said. “It’s easy to talk to me obviously as a teammate other than always going to a coach. I can relay that back to the coaches as well. Just kind of a routine, seeing what I see on the field, teach them protections if they need help with that and just go over the game plan and spend a lot of time with them and make sure they’re prepared for each and every Sunday.”

One of the things the Chiefs had to like about Henne is his familiarity with the West Coast offense, which Andy Reid likes to run. Henne has worked in the West Coast system for the last four seasons and said he has the rhythm and throws down.

So because Henne says he is valuable he is obviously valuable right?

[TSOL]

I know a guy that works at Valvoline that used to play QB back in high school. Can't be any worse that Peterman. What do you guys think

[GG]

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

So because Henne says he is valuable he is obviously valuable right?

 

And you can't have it both ways (as per your usual MO)

 

You can't slam Bills for not having a true QB coach and turn around and say that Allen won't benefit from a true veteran on the sidelines.   

 

Bills are not hiring a QB coach this year, but they certainly can add a player who can play a role.