9-12: Sean McDermott & Shady-Allen Pressers Live

[Peter]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Right. He also said some decisions work out and some don't. Clearly he admitted that his decision didn't work out and he owns that. 

 

However, he's not regretting it. He's standing by the decisions he makes with the information he has at the time. He's not going to let the media push him into second-guessing himself or throwing Nate under the bus.

 

People just hear what they want to hear or simply can't comprehend words.

 

It must have been part of the process.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[LeGOATski]

Just now, Peter said:

 

It must have been part of the process.

Risk/reward analysis is part of their decision-making process, I think.

[K-9]

14 minutes ago, Peter said:

McBeane better pray that Josh Allen shows that he is a franchise QB given all that they have invested (gave up) to get him. 

 

If Josh does not show that he is a franchise QB (or that he is highly likely to be one), McBeane have dug their own graves.

How long do you give Allen to “show it?”

[Peter]

3 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Right. He also said some decisions work out and some don't. Clearly he admitted that his decision didn't work out and he owns that. 

 

However, he's not regretting it. He's standing by the decisions he makes with the information he has at the time. He's not going to let the media push him into second-guessing himself or throwing Nate under the bus.

 

People just hear what they want to hear or simply can't comprehend words.

He said the decision did not work out.

 

How do you interpret that?

 

This reminds me of when a former president used to say: "Mistakes were made."

Just now, LeGOATski said:

Risk/reward analysis is part of their decision-making process, I think.

 

They have bet the house so they better hope it works out.

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

I do not recall him EVER saying that the decision was a mistake or that he made a mistake.  He is saying that he is responsible for making what he thinks was a good decision (this year and last).

 

Should we put him in time out, too?

 

I don't care what he acknowledges. I don't care if he says sorry. I care if he wins or not.

[Peter]

1 minute ago, K-9 said:

How long do you give Allen to “show it?”

 

Josh better show enough he can be a franchise QB before we have to draft in 2019 because:

 

1) We are likely to have a high pick and will be faced with a decision as to whether to again draft a QB in the first round;

 

2) if he does not and this past week's game is any indication of the season as a whole and the franchise is embarrassed, it will be interesting to see whether McBeane are around to make that pick.

 

P.S. I heard on the radio that the home opener is not sold out.  The home freaking opener.  If the Bills have trouble selling out the home opener as late as the Wednesday morning before the game, one can imagine what it will be like later in the season.  Actually, we do not have to stretch our imagine too much given that tickets to the Colts game last year were going for $6 on the secondary market.

1 minute ago, LeGOATski said:

Your post reminds me of my morning dump.

 

I am glad I could at least stop your constipation if not your mental constipation.

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Should we put him in time out, too?

 

I don't care what he acknowledges. I don't care if he says sorry. I care if he wins or not.

 

I also care if we win.

 

Let me remind you:

 

47-3

 

Spoiler alert.  We did not have the 47.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Peter said:

 

Josh better show enough he can be a franchise QB before we have to draft in 2019 because:

 

1) We are likely to have a high pick and will be faced with a decision as to whether to again draft a QB in the first round;

 

2) if he does not and this past week's game is any indication of the season as a whole and the franchise is embarrassed, it will be interesting to see whether McBeane are around to make that pick.

 

P.S. I heard on the radio that the home opener is not sold out.  The home freaking opener.  If the Bills have trouble selling out the home opener as late as the Wednesday morning before the game, one can imagine what it will be like later in the season.  Actually, we do not have to stretch our imagine too much given that tickets to the Colts game last year were going for $6 on the secondary market.

Reselling tickets for a game that’s being played outdoors in a snow storm. Go take a nap you are going to need some rest so you can troll the board for each and every mistake Allen makes on Sunday. 

[Peter]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

Reselling tickets for a game that’s being played outdoors in a snow storm. Go take a nap you are going to need some rest so you can troll the board for each and every mistake Allen makes on Sunday. 

 

What is the excuse for not being able to sell out the home opener as late as the Wednesday morning before the game.

 

P.S. You really need to learn now to read.  In another post, I wrote:

 

"I desperately want Josh to succeed.  Although I had a lot of doubts about drafting the kid, he is very likeable, he has embraced Buffalo, and he does have some raw potential - how much and whether he reaches it remains to be seen.

 

The main reason why I want Josh to succeed is that, if he does not, his failure and everything that McBeane did to get him (and all of the guys they got rid of) will send this franchise further back than it has been for a long time."

[Figster]

23 minutes ago, Peter said:

McBeane better pray that Josh Allen shows that he is a franchise QB given all that they have invested (gave up) to get him. 

 

If Josh does not show that he is a franchise QB (or that he is highly likely to be one), McBeane have dug their own graves.

Bills ownership seemed as much a part of why Allen became a Bill as McBeane IMO 

 

and why not, whats not to like about this kid...

[BuffaloBillyG]

11 minutes ago, K-9 said:

How long do you give Allen to “show it?”

This is Buffalo. All I'm saying is he better get all the words to the National Anthem right or hes done here?

[K-9]

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Josh better show enough he can be a franchise QB before we have to draft in 2019 because:

 

1) We are likely to have a high pick and will be faced with a decision as to whether to again draft a QB in the first round;

 

2) if he does not and this past week's game is any indication of the season as a whole and the franchise is embarrassed, it will be interesting to see whether McBeane are around to make that pick.

 

P.S. I heard on the radio that the home opener is not sold out.  The home freaking opener.  If the Bills have trouble selling out the home opener as late as the Wednesday morning before the game, one can imagine what it will be like later in the season.  Actually, we do not have to stretch our imagine too much given that tickets to the Colts game last year were going for $6 on the secondary market.

 

So you’re giving him the rest of this season? A season playing with little other than Shady as a viable offensive threat. Prepare to be disappointed or dissatisfied with your expectation of showing “enough.” 

[Peter]

14 minutes ago, Figster said:

Bills ownership seemed as much a part of why Allen became a Bill as McBeane IMO 

 

and why not, whats not to like about this kid...

 

We shall see.  The kid has potential.  He also is very raw.  That is why there are such extreme views about him.  The analytics crowd loves Baker Mayfield and hates Josh.  Old school guys fall in love with Josh's arm talent and think that they can coach him up to fix his deficiencies.

 

Again, I had my doubts about the kid when we drafted him, but I desperately want him to succeed for the reasons why I have mentioned (including that the franchise will be set back a lot).

 

I also think that McBeane have not done the kid any favors given that:

 

1) the line is substandard;

 

2) they traded the only other viable option for a 5th round pick thereby forcing them to start Josh now when he may not be ready, may have been better served by giving him some more time, and by starting him (or any of our QBs for that matter) behind a bad offensive line.

8 minutes ago, K-9 said:

So you’re giving him the rest of this season? A season playing with little other than Shady as a viable offensive threat. Prepare to be disappointed or dissatisfied with your expectation of showing “enough.” 

 

You really need to read my posts more accurately. 

Edited September 12, 2018 by Peter

[Jerome007]

They still need a decent QB #3 (well... #2 actually). It HAS to be a vet with TEACHING skills, one that hopefully wants to coach after his player career is done.

 

Like Favre said, he didn't have to coach Rodgers or make it easy on him to steal his job, so it's not a normal thing. In this case, it has to be the required and declared job position. A highly paid one at that!

[gobills1212]

32 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

I really hope they don't put Josh in front of the media after games. Good or bad.

 

The media can be ruthless and, Buffalo media especially, overly negative. If Josh becomes an established starter, then give him media duty. Otherwise, put Shady or Kyle or some other vet on the mic.

I get your point,  but Buffalo media is pretty small time. Thats also something that is probably mandated and not something the Bills control 

[LeGOATski]

5 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

I get your point,  but Buffalo media is pretty small time. Thats also something that is probably mandated and not something the Bills control 

I was wondering what the rules were on this.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

There seems to be a whole lot of unsubstantiated tea leaf reading in this thread.

I cant help but thinking you hope he fails

 

Um....

[NewEraBills]

1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said:

After watching the PC I get no sense that the decision was not McDermotts.

I do not think this came from the owners.

McDermott (along with Beane and the other coaches) had a plan and it failed in a pretty bad way.

He looked and sounded almost embarrassed that the NP experiment failed (as well as he should be) and

that the options are exhausted for Sunday.

 

Personally I had hoped they could of held off a few more games before starting Josh Allen but............................

as a famous cliché says "No plan survives contact with the enemy".

The people that need to learn from this is the Bills Management and I hope they do.

After all that is what "adjustments" are for.

4

 

This is how I read McD as well.  I actually stated it two days ago by saying, "they didn't think they would have to throw Josh in this quickly," but they have no recourse now.

[Figster]

17 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

We shall see.  The kid has potential.  He also is very raw.  That is why there are such extreme views about him.  The analytics crowd loves Baker Mayfield and hates Josh.  Old school guys fall in love with Josh's arm talent and think that they can coach him up to fix his deficiencies.

 

Again, I had my doubts about the kid when we drafted him, but I desperately want him to succeed for the reasons why I have mentioned (including that the franchise will be set back a lot).

 

I also think that McBeane have not done the kid any favors given that:

 

1) the line is substandard;

 

2) they traded the only other viable option for a 5th round pick thereby forcing them to start Josh now when he may not be ready, may have been better served by giving him some more time, and by starting him (or any of our QBs for that matter) behind a bad offensive line.

 

You really need to read my posts more accurately. 

fair enough, I understand your concerns,

 

thanks

[Peter]

Just now, Figster said:

fair enough, I understand your concerns,

 

thanks

 

Thanks for your reply. In all seriousness, I appreciate it.

[K-9]

19 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

We shall see.  The kid has potential.  He also is very raw.  That is why there are such extreme views about him.  The analytics crowd loves Baker Mayfield and hates Josh.  Old school guys fall in love with Josh's arm talent and think that they can coach him up to fix his deficiencies.

 

Again, I had my doubts about the kid when we drafted him, but I desperately want him to succeed for the reasons why I have mentioned (including that the franchise will be set back a lot).

 

I also think that McBeane have not done the kid any favors given that:

 

1) the line is substandard;

 

2) they traded the only other viable option for a 5th round pick thereby forcing them to start Josh now when he may not be ready, may have been better served by giving him some more time, and by starting him (or any of our QBs for that matter) behind a bad offensive line.

 

You really need to read my posts more accurately. 

What did I miss? You said he had to show enough before the draft next year. Doesn’t that mean this season?  

 

I’m just saying if that’s the case and given his poor supporting cast, especially up front, you may need to temper your expectation of what showing enough means. 

 

If you care to expand on what showing enough means, I’d be interested to know your take on it.

[Peter]

10 minutes ago, K-9 said:

What did I miss? You said he had to show enough before the draft next year. Doesn’t that mean this season?  

 

I’m just saying if that’s the case and given his poor supporting cast, especially up front, you may need to temper your expectation of what showing enough means. 

 

If you care to expand on what showing enough means, I’d be interested to know your take on it.

 

Everything should be considered in context . . . both my posts and evaluating Josh.

 

As for my posts, I have said repeatedly that McBeane have not done Josh any favors for the reasons why I have mentioned.

 

As for evaluating Josh, we need to evaluate him in context as well.  I am not expecting him to take us to the super bowl.  He just needs to show enough to confirm that he is what some think he can be (or confirm that he definitely can become that guy with the correct supporting cast).  As an aside, I have a history here of defending QBs and trying to remind people to look at the big picture.  As recently as this pre-season, I was defending AJ and posted a video with each one of his throws in a game to demonstrate that the vast majority of the incompletions were either not his fault or were intentional and that the second interception was clearly not his fault. 

 

I am willing to give Josh the benefit of the doubt given the surrounding cast, but we do need to see enough out of him before we draft in 2019 given that we are likely to have a high pick.

 

As for McBeane, I stopped giving them the benefit of any doubts.

Edited September 12, 2018 by Peter

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

I really hope they don't put Josh in front of the media after games. Good or bad.

 

The media can be ruthless and, Buffalo media especially, overly negative. If Josh becomes an established starter, then give him media duty. Otherwise, put Shady or Kyle or some other vet on the mic.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think teams have a lot of flexibility there.  I think they have got to put the QB out there.

But maybe I'm mistaken.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think teams have a lot of flexibility there.  I think they have got to put the QB out there.

But maybe I'm mistaken.

 

They do. 

[Laughing Coffin]

3 hours ago, HansLanda said:

 

 

First day of your psych 101 class vs 5 weeks later

[Doc]

Not sure what people were expecting to see from McD at the PC.  I doubt he was happy the Bills suffered their worst opening day loss ever and that Peterman made him look bad yet again.

[K-9]

30 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Everything should be considered in context . . . both my posts and evaluating Josh.

 

As for my posts, I have said repeatedly that McBeane have not done Josh any favors for the reasons why I have mentioned.

 

As for evaluating Josh, we need to evaluate him in context as well.  I am not expecting him to take us to the super bowl.  He just needs to show enough to confirm that he is what some think he can be (or confirm that he definitely can become that guy with the correct supporting cast).  As an aside, I have a history here of defending QBs and trying to remind people to look at the big picture.  As recently as this pre-season, I was defending AJ and posted a video with each one of his throws in a game to demonstrate that the vast majority of the incompletions were either not his fault or were intentional and that the second interception was clearly not his fault. 

 

I am willing to give Josh the benefit of the doubt given the surrounding cast, but we do need to see enough out of him before we draft in 2019 given that we are likely to have a high pick.

 

As for McBeane, I stopped giving them the benefit of any doubts.

I haven't read all of your posts, so if I'm missing context, I understand. I appreciate the clarification. 

 

But "showing enough" is an abstract concept as it means many different things to different people. Especially coaches and teammates who understand what he's showing on a different contextual level. 

 

I don't think one season will be enough to answer the question on him, but if there's a QB rated higher than Allen coming out next year, I'd consider him. At the very least as a bargaining chip for teams looking to trade up for a QB. But Bosa's and Oliver's early evaluations suggest they are light years ahead as prospects vs. any QBs currently expected to come out. I'm not sure I'd pass up blue chip talent at premium positions to take a flyer on a QB prospect already not considered as good a prospect as Allen was coming out. I understand the thinking though. 

[stony]

FWIW, Allen looked nervous as hell at his presser.  I also think that's a good thing.    

[BillsFan4]

Man, some of these reactions to McDermott’s press conference are wild. I honestly feel like I watched a different press conference than some of you did. 

 

People really see what they want to see, I guess... 

Edited September 12, 2018 by BillsFan4

[COTC]

32 minutes ago, stony said:

FWIW, Allen looked nervous as hell at his presser.  I also think that's a good thing.    

Baby face is about to get the Bills QB treatment. 

 

He will never be the same!!!

[stony]

13 minutes ago, COTC said:

Baby face is about to get the Bills QB treatment. 

 

He will never be the same!!!

Ha, I hadn't realized how young he still looks.  One training camp under his belt, no grey hairs. 

[ColoradoBills]

4 hours ago, NewEraBills said:

 

This is how I read McD as well.  I actually stated it two days ago by saying, "they didn't think they would have to throw Josh in this quickly," but they have no recourse now.

 

Yep, kind of the "fool me twice" thing with Peterman.

It also seems to me the Bodine/Groy competition has turned out similar.

I really think everyone thought Bodine would win it early but he underwhelmed.

So they name Groy right at the end and he doesn't play well either.

 

As a side note, I bet the last 2 days at OBD have been quiet and tense with the players and coaches all doing some self evaluation.

If so I hope it lights a fire.

 

2 hours ago, stony said:

FWIW, Allen looked nervous as hell at his presser.  I also think that's a good thing.    

 

I felt the same thing.

Josh has been "protected" all summer (which I think was the plan).

Sunday will be JA's "then came the dawn" moment.

 

I think he can give a decent showing if the rest of the O gets inspired by his effort.

[TheFunPolice]

Josh Allen is in the same spot we've all been in when trying to cross a creek without getting our shoes wet.

 

It makes you so nervous... neurotic even. You tiptoe, you try to balance beam across a log... the thought of stepping into the creek and getting your shoes wet is terrifying.

 

Then your foot slips and you're up to your ankles in water. At that point, you stomp right through the middle of the freaking creek and don't even care how deep it gets.

[Buffalo Ballin]

Josh Allen is the Bills superstar Franchise QB for what I've been gathering from the Josh Allen fans. I hope so for us. He's starting all 15 games. Nate is not seeing the field again. Next game I hope he gets 200+ yards, 1 TD.  That's a low goal to meet. We will lose though because, again, our defense is the worst in the NFL.

[formerlyofCtown]

7 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't think he is saying in retrospect it was the right move. I think he was saying at the time I thoroughly believed that Nate was the right choice and I am not going to start second guessing my heartfelt decisions as they happen. He was obviously saying that it was a bad choice by the some are right some are wrong statement. 

 

The real scary thought is that he honestly believed that starting Nate was the right decision at the time. We may be screwed. 

A lot of people on this board and in the media thought it was the right choice.  Myself included.

[Kelly the Dog]

10 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said:

A lot of people on this board and in the media thought it was the right choice.  Myself included.

I know. And several veteran posters here, myself included, before the game gave several clear reasons why that was dumb, and all of them came true. 

[K-9]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

Josh Allen is the Bills superstar Franchise QB for what I've been gathering from the Josh Allen fans. I hope so for us. He's starting all 15 games. Nate is not seeing the field again. Next game I hope he gets 200+ yards, 1 TD.  That's a low goal to meet. We will lose though because, again, our defense is the worst in the NFL.

By what relevant statistical measure is the Bills defense the "worst in the NFL?"

[TheBeaneBandit]

36 minutes ago, K-9 said:

By what relevant statistical measure is the Bills defense the "worst in the NFL?"

Their d line is horrible at getting pressure,  bottom 3rd in stopping the run,  only 1 promising lb,  and an extremely overrated secondary....... For starters. 

[VW82]

10 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Their d line is horrible at getting pressure,  bottom 3rd in stopping the run,  only 1 promising lb,  and an extremely overrated secondary....... For starters. 

 

It was only one game. We have quite a bit of evidence from last year that this is actually a fairly decent defense. Are there holes? Yes. Our edge rushers aren't great and we're short one good outside corner. But there's talent and a nice mix of vets and young players. Give it another week or two. The offense put the team in some really tough spots, not to mention they couldn't move the ball AT ALL so the D was gassed by mid second quarter.

Edited September 13, 2018 by VW82

[K-9]

9 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Their d line is horrible at getting pressure,  bottom 3rd in stopping the run,  only 1 promising lb,  and an extremely overrated secondary....... For starters. 

I don’t disagree, necessarily, but that doesn’t make them the worst.