9-12: Sean McDermott & Shady-Allen Pressers Live

[Johnnycage46]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave."

 

Pretty dramatic statement by McD lol.  I hope he isn't trying to tell us something...

[Mango]

52 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Not necessarily.  He had to have promised Daboll a certain degree of autonomy over the offense to get him to buy in and take the job.

I thought from Daboll's post-game presser, reading between the lines, he'd seen what he needed to see from Allen and wanted to go forward with him.

 

It could have been a combo of Daboll, Beane, and feedback from the team leadership council.

 

To this point. I thought it was weird that when asked about the decision he only mentioned Beane, Terry, and Kim. Not Daboll.

 

Why wouldn’t your OC be involved? 

[stosh64]

19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Couldn't find - did she delete it?

I couldn't find the tweet either, but at 7:10 into the press conference you can hear the reporter ask the question.

https://www.wivb.com/top-stories/bills-make-qb-switch-turn-to-rookie-josh-allen/1436699639

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

After watching the PC I get no sense that the decision was not McDermotts.

I do not think this came from the owners.

McDermott (along with Beane and the other coaches) had a plan and it failed in a pretty bad way.

He looked and sounded almost embarrassed that the NP experiment failed (as well as he should be) and

that the options are exhausted for Sunday.

 

Personally I had hoped they could of held off a few more games before starting Josh Allen but............................

as a famous cliché says "No plan survives contact with the enemy".

The people that need to learn from this is the Bills Management and I hope they do.

After all that is what "adjustments" are for.

[stony]

3 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

And who says that fans "need" to know?  Who cares? The Bills owe nothing to any fan.  If we don't like it,  we don't support it. Also, as far as the media goes, ANYONE with two brain cells to rub together can figure out what his response is going to be after the 3rd time asking the same question.

I care.  McD seems like a thoughtful, articulate guy.  Forgive me if I prefer to hear what went into the decision.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Mango said:

To this point. I thought it was weird that when asked about the decision he only mentioned Beane, Terry, and Kim. Not Daboll.

Why wouldn’t your OC be involved? 

 

I didn't hear the question he was responding to; it might depend upon how the question was phrased.

 

If Daboll was not a key decision maker, it would indeed be weird.

[aceman_16]

Just now, stony said:

I care.  McD seems like a thoughtful, articulate guy.  Forgive me if I prefer to hear what went into the decision.  

I understand you care...  apparently the Bills' brass don't put much stock into your thoughts. My suggestions are 1 watch the games 2 look at roster 3 keep an open mind and 4 make you own conclusions. I am sure you will be pretty close to what the Bills think.

[Kelly the Dog]

10 minutes ago, ngbills said:

McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave."

That would have been much sooner than later had he made that same decision again. 

[NewEra]

He handled himself just as I expected him too.  He wasn’t going to dog on nate Pete.  The truthful answers to the questions would’ve been answered as such: 

 

“nate sucks”

 

”nate is a terrible QB.  I didn’t have to watch the tape.  We all can see that he’s a bum.”

 

”Josh isn’t ready, but nate is clearly the worst qb to ever play the position.  How can I say that nate Pete is the starting QB with a straight face.”

 

i just feel bad for Josh Allen. 

[Cash]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I had that thought too.  He doesn't look like it's a decision that has him excited or enthused. 

He's swallowing his lips and using his phrase "comfortable with it" that he used before when it was code for something else.

 

Good job stonewalling though.

 

I don't recall this - could you jog my memory?

 

1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

So what is the difference between being wrong and a decision not working out?

 

44 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't think he is saying in retrospect it was the right move. I think he was saying at the time I thoroughly believed that Nate was the right choice and I am not going to start second guessing my heartfelt decisions as they happen. He was obviously saying that it was a bad choice by the some are right some are wrong statement. 

 

The real scary thought is that he honestly believed that starting Nate was the right decision at the time. We may be screwed. 

 

I get that Sean is a "utilize the positive language of success" guy, and I have no problem with that.  It might seem silly, but little things add up in the long run, and I think saying things like, "throws he'd rather have back" instead of "bad throws" can be one of those little things that adds up.

 

BUT!  On this, and the decision to start Peterman last year, it drives me crazy how McDermott talks.  No one is perfect - everyone makes bad decisions here and there.  But to look back at a colossal failure of a decision, and say that you'd do it again without hesitation shows a lack of introspection that is very concerning.  This isn't like, "I had an 80% chance to win pre-flop, but my opponent made a straight on the river - I'd make that same bet every time."  This is more like, "I didn't realize that three of a kind beat two pair... maybe I should brush up on the rules of poker?"  I get that a "good" decision can lead to a bad outcome.  That's an important thing to understand.  But sometimes the decision was actually bad, so you should look at how it led to the outcome, and see if there's anything you can improve upon next time.  If McDermott is doing that, he's not letting on to the media.  Caveat: there was that report that he "owned" the Tyrod benching last year, and it gained him a lot of respect with the players - depending on how he owned it, that might be a really good sign.  I don't actually care what McDermott says to the media, but with most people, what they say publicly is very indicative of how they are privately.

[PeterDude]

12 minutes ago, ngbills said:

McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave."

 

The whole taking stuff to his grave thing bothers me to. I mean, c'mon, that's used when someone is trying too hard to convince.

 

I just don't like McDermott's style.  Something about it just feels very wrong to me.  I hate to say it but I liked Marrone's style better, even though he was a dinosaur as well.

Edited September 12, 2018 by PeterDude

[Mango]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I didn't hear the question he was responding to; it might depend upon how the question was phrased.

 

If Daboll was not a key decision maker, it would indeed be weird.

 To paraphrase:

 

Reporter: was this your decision to switch QB’s? 

 

McD: ultimately all decisions come down to me. As you know me and Brandon Beane talk a lot. Brandon and I discussed the decision and we report/stay in communication with Terry and Kim. 

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 hour ago, HansLanda said:

 

Post of the day right here!

[stony]

4 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

I understand you care...  apparently the Bills' brass don't put much stock into your thoughts. My suggestions are 1 watch the games 2 look at roster 3 keep an open mind and 4 make you own conclusions. I am sure you will be pretty close to what the Bills think.

Whoa, easy there Ace.  I can't handle all this at once.  

[Figster]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

McDermott said, when asked if he regretted starting Peterman against the Ravens. "I felt like that was the right move and I'll take that to my grave."

Being a bama fan, sending McCarron packing had extra sting in it for me.

 

On the other hand the QB room became crowded because all 3 QB's deserve better then becoming 3rd in the pecking order based on play.

 

McCarron became the odd man out and while I personally believe based on experience and regular season play it was not the right move, I also understand the situation.

 

Josh Allen is now the face of the franchise. 

 

The New Era has officially begun... 

[Cash]

2 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

The whole taking stuff to his grave thing bothers me to. I mean, c'mon, that's used when someone is trying too hard to convince.

 

I just don't like McDermott's style.  Something about it just feels very wrong to me.  I hate to say it but I liked Marrone's style better, even though he was a dinosaur as well.

 

I'd still take McDermott over Marrone.  Once he described more than one job as his "dream job", I started seeing through his BS.

[PeterDude]

Just now, Cash said:

 

I'd still take McDermott over Marrone.  Once he described more than one job as his "dream job", I started seeing through his BS.

 

I think Marrone + Beane would yield more wins than the combo we have now.  But' I guess we'll never know.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 minute ago, Cash said:

I don't recall this - could you jog my memory?

 

You make a bunch of good points in your post.

 

To zone in on your question about McDermott saying "comfortable with it": he said "comfortable with the situation" and "the Pegulas have made sure that I'm comfortable with the situation" several times during his introductory presser when he was asked about working with Doug Whaley as GM.  Reviewing that in hindsight, he clearly did not mean "I'm comfortable working with Doug Whaley as GM", he meant "Doug Whaley's GM Ass is Grass and I bring in My Boi as soon as we're off the clock in the 7th round."

 

I doubt it means the same thing in this context - McDermott and Beane are gonna ride or die with their choice to draft Allen at QB - but I don't think it means he's actually comfortable with the decision to turn from Peterman to Allen this week.  I think it means he's accepted it's something he's gonna have to live with.

 

 

[aceman_16]

Just now, stony said:

Whoa, easy there Ace.  I can't handle all this at once.  

Lol fair enough...  I am sorry if it sounds like I am attacking you personally. I coached for a long time and it would drive me bonkers with the why why why questions when I KNEW the answer wasn't for information but rather for drama.  Also,  I watched the all 22 and there were open receivers often.  However,  the money players were apathetic af and that KILLS a team when that occurs.  Anyhow,  enjoy the day!

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You make a bunch of good points in your post.

 

To zone in on your question about McDermott saying "comfortable with it": he said "comfortable with the situation" and "the Pegulas have made sure that I'm comfortable with the situation" several times during his introductory presser when he was asked about working with Doug Whaley as GM.  Reviewing that in hindsight, he clearly did not mean "I'm comfortable working with Doug Whaley as GM", he meant "Doug Whaley's GM Ass is Grass and I bring in My Boi as soon as we're off the clock in the 7th round."

 

I doubt it means the same thing in this context - McDermott and Beane are gonna ride or die with their choice to draft Allen at QB - but I don't think it means he's actually comfortable with the decision to turn from Peterman to Allen this week.  I think it means he's accepted it's something he's gonna have to live with.

 

 

He might really dislike the idea of having his rookie QB make his first start against the Chargers again. People can be superstitious that way.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 To paraphrase:

 

Reporter: was this your decision to switch QB’s? 

 

McD: ultimately all decisions come down to me. As you know me and Brandon Beane talk a lot. Brandon and I discussed the decision and we report/stay in communication with Terry and Kim. 

 

I got nuthin'.  If the Pegulas and Brandon Beane are making starting roster decisions on offense with McDermott and not involving Daboll, it's weird.

 

OTOH, maybe Allen was how Daboll wanted to roll from the start, and McDermott/Beane overuled him with the Pegulas endorsement, so those were the folks who had to buy in to the change.

[ColoradoBills]

6 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

The whole taking stuff to his grave thing bothers me to. I mean, c'mon, that's used when someone is trying to hard to convince.

 

I just don't like McDermott's style.  Something about it just feels very wrong to me.  I hate to say it but I liked Marrone's style better, even though he was a dinosaur as well.

 

I take it differently.  To me he is saying he was all in on starting NP.

The quick change from that to JA shows he failed.

He is owning up to the NP starter call and not throwing anyone under the bus.

[Fadingpain]

26 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

These things are usually more subtle than that. 

 

Having been in a few rooms where it was going down, the usual mechanism is that managers and executives tend to feel more comfortable and have a more positive view of people we "resonate" with because they remind us of ourselves or of people we admire.  It happens to everyone unless they're consciously aware and fight it.

 

The bottom line is that Peterman looked better overall in preseason, Allen did not look ready, and McDermott rolled with that viewpoint and didn't look very far under the hood.

Yeah, but preseason football games, and who looks good in them, are kind of meaningless.  We know that to be true.

You would hope the actual coaching staff of the team isn't making any decision based on how someone looks in a preseason football game.

Those guys were getting hundreds of snaps all summer long.  I assume they went with Peterman simply b/c Allen was deemed raw and not ready to go.

And of course, if that is true, it is a mistake to start him on Sunday.

 

 

[Figster]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

He might really dislike the idea of having his rookie QB make his first start against the Chargers again. People can be superstitious that way.

I don't expect McD to be happy because best case scenario has Peterman playing well enough to hold down the position until Allen has had some time to watch and learn on the sidelines. More importantly, allowing the O as a unit time to gel. 

 

Sometimes what wasn't the plans becomes part of the process... 

Edited September 12, 2018 by Figster

[Comebackkid]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Bills coach Sean McDermott: It's 'right time' to start quarterback Josh Allen

 

Orchard Park, N.Y. -- The Buffalo Bills are now Josh Allen's football team and coach Sean McDermott said he "doesn't feel the need to elaborate" on why he's decided to bench Nathan Peterman.

 

"Josh will start. ... It's the right move for our team," McDermott said. "We talk a lot in house about decisions and things and what we've gotta do, and the right move at the right time. And right now this is the right move."

 

McDermott is pivoting away from Peterman after just one game. The national and local media called the coach's decision to go with Peterman questionable, and the criticism grew after the second-year quarterback stumbled against the Baltimore Ravens.

 

I feel bad for (Peterman) but he's not an NFL quarterback or close," Barnwell said on his podcast, "The Bill Barnwell show." "They are a rebuilding team, but it just seems sadistic to do this to (Peterman) who's not able to do this for a living. It seems like it's going to kill your credibility as a head coach if you keep running Nathan Peterman out there."

, I think if I was coach about every Monday or Tuesday I would call Peterman into my office and say you're the starter this week. And then 5 minutes later laugh and say I was just kidding, shut the door on your way out.?

[MJS]

This thread is full of complete fiction and speculation. People are clearly reading into things too much and making guesses based on guesses.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Peter]

His refusal to even remotely admit that he made a mistake is reminiscent of his failure to do so after the Charger game last year.

 

Some of the stuff this guy does is cringe worthy.

[Comebackkid]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

This thread is full of complete fiction and speculation. People are clearly reading into things too much and making guesses based on guesses.

So your saying this is a competely normal thread? 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Peter]

McBeane better pray that Josh Allen shows that he is a franchise QB given all that they have invested (gave up) to get him. 

 

If Josh does not show that he is a franchise QB (or that he is highly likely to be one), McBeane have dug their own graves.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[MJS]

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

His refusal to even remotely admit that he made a mistake is reminiscent of his failure to do so after the Charger game last year.

 

Some of the stuff this guy does is cringe worthy.

 

I remember him saying "That's on me."

[LeGOATski]

I really hope they don't put Josh in front of the media after games. Good or bad.

 

The media can be ruthless and, Buffalo media especially, overly negative. If Josh becomes an established starter, then give him media duty. Otherwise, put Shady or Kyle or some other vet on the mic.

[MJS]

4 minutes ago, Peter said:

McBeane better pray that Josh Allen shows that he is a franchise QB given all that they have invested (gave up) to get him. 

 

If Josh does not show that he is a franchise QB (or that he is highly likely to be one), McBeane have dug their own graves.

 

Goff had a terrible first year and everyone thought he was a bust. His 2nd year he literally it up.

 

So I disagree with you. Josh Allen will have 3-4 years to prove himself like any other high draft pick should.

[Peter]

10 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

There seems to be a whole lot of unsubstantiated tea leaf reading in this thread.

 

I cant help but thinking you hope he fails

 

Think again.

 

I desperately want Josh to succeed.  Although I had a lot of doubts about drafting the kid, he is very likeable, he has embraced Buffalo, and he does have some raw potential - how much and whether he reaches it remains to be seen.

 

The main reason why I want Josh to succeed is that, if he does not, his failure and everything that McBeane did to get him (and all of the guys they got rid of) will send this franchise further back than it has been for a long time.

 

Just my two cents.

Edited September 12, 2018 by Peter

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Peter said:

McBeane better pray that Josh Allen shows that he is a franchise QB given all that they have invested (gave up) to get him. 

 

If Josh does not show that he is a franchise QB (or that he is highly likely to be one), McBeane have dug their own graves.

What the GM better hope that the 1st round QB he drafted works out...what strange and unusual situation.

[Peter]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I remember him saying "That's on me."

 

I do not recall him EVER saying that the decision was a mistake or that he made a mistake.  He is saying that he is responsible for making what he thinks was a good decision (this year and last).

 

Just now, Warcodered said:

What the GM better hope that the 1st round QB he drafted works out...what strange and unusual situation.

 

I suspect that you know that we did not just merely use our own pick to draft him.  I hope you know that we let the Jets beat us to the punch on Darnold and we made several moves to pick where we ended up picking . . . and did this all in the context of getting rid of so many other players.

[LeGOATski]

7 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

I remember him saying "That's on me."

Right. He also said some decisions work out and some don't. Clearly he admitted that his decision didn't work out and he owns that. 

 

However, he's not regretting it. He's standing by the decisions he makes with the information he has at the time. He's not going to let the media push him into second-guessing himself or throwing Nate under the bus.

 

People just hear what they want to hear or simply can't comprehend words.

2 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

I do not recall him EVER saying that the decision was a mistake or that he made a mistake.  He is saying that he is responsible for making what he thinks was a good decision (this year and last).

 

He said the decision did not work out.

 

How do you interpret that?