Kelvin Benjamin is NOT a Number 1 WR - Being Phased Out with the Youth Movement

[Cripple Creek]

12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If only Benjamin had Foster's speed. 

 

 

I don't think that there's ever been that combination of size, speed, ability to get open, hands of stone and kittiness.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, vincec said:

The've changed every single WR. None of their new players at this position are playing well. I think it's reasonable to question how the process is going at that position. Especially when you consider that some of the guys that left are doing very well on their new teams.

 

Reasonable. After such a short period of time. You and I have different standards for what’s reasonable, I think.

[vincec]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

Reasonable. After such a short period of time. You and I have different standards for what’s reasonable, I think.

If a 0% hit rate over two drafts and free agency periods doesn't create any questions for you then you an I do indeed have different expectations.

[HOUSE]

The guy has to sit. BIG drops every week now

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, vincec said:

If a 0% hit rate over two drafts and free agency periods doesn't create any questions for you then you an I do indeed have different expectations.

Yes, mine are reasonable.

[Cripple Creek]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Reasonable. After such a short period of time. You and I have different standards for what’s reasonable, I think.

Right now, the chances of the Bills re-signing Benjamin are hovering around .3%, in my mind.  While that doesn't kill the process I think that it does call into question how highly they rate the position.  They came out of 2017 woefully weak at the position and they entered 2018 woefully weak at the position.  Did they try to retain Bob Woods? Publicly they certainly did not. They passed on players in both drafts (Cupp comes to mind).  Now, they have boat loads of money so let's see how the process works.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Cripple Creek said:

Right now, the chances of the Bills re-signing Benjamin are hovering around .3%, in my mind.  While that doesn't kill the process I think that it does call into question how highly they rate the position.  They came out of 2017 woefully weak at the position and they entered 2018 woefully weak at the position.  Did they try to retain Bob Woods? Publicly they certainly did not. They passed on players in both drafts (Cupp comes to mind).  Now, they have boat loads of money so let's see how the process works.

 

pardon the earlier post. coffee not yet kicked in. i think what has people all worked up here is the fact that they're not building the team in a manner that some posters like. there is a process, there is an order, and I think that will bear out this coming off-season.

 

 

[Cripple Creek]

4 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

pardon the earlier post. coffee not yet kicked in. i think what has people all worked up here is the fact that they're not building the team in a manner that some posters like. there is a process, there is an order, and I think that will bear out this coming off-season.

 

 

Hope so.  The Process was derailed a bit by last season's moderate success (it created expectations). Money is tight. Money has been dumped. We should see a deeper roster in 2019 & if they use that money wisely The Process will play out successfully.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GG]

Sad that the guy that Benjamin essentially replaced can't even make it on the Steelers' active squad.

[EricMoulds80]

He is such a disappointment.  The TD pass that he dropped this past Sunday made me so angry.   

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, EricMoulds80 said:

He is such a disappointment.  The TD pass that he dropped this past Sunday made me so angry.   

The fact that you could of said that a week ago speaks volumes.

[Kelly the Dog]

Kelvin is not playing for the Benjamins. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Apparently he only gets up for preseason games vs panthers. It was easily his best game in a Bills jersey ever. 

[Simon Says]

On 9/9/2018 at 5:35 PM, Best Player Available said:

And let Robert Woods walk for nothing. 

Woods ia a California kid who played at USC; i don think the Bills really had much of a chance to keep him

[frogger]

I wonder what Allen would look like with the offensive weapons Tyrod was given his first year in Buffalo.

reminder, Percy Harvin, Watkins, Woods, Goodwin and 7/11, with Clay and Shady...oh and the Oline was considered much better.  It makes me sad to think we had all that talent and got nothing out of it, except disappointment.

[Augie]

Kelvin may not be a #1 WR, but he is our #1 dropper of footballs. So....he’s a leader, still. 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Pablocruise said:

Woods ia a California kid who played at USC; i don think the Bills really had much of a chance to keep him

Pay accordingly and he stays. Jmo.

[Captain Caveman]

I kind of wish we had just kept another TE and started using guys like Croom, Lee and O'Leary in place of Benjamin.  

[JohnC]

On 9/9/2018 at 5:28 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:

This guy looks slow, does not make plays for his QB, has compete, and focus issues.

 

No way I sign him to a big deal. 

He wasn't considered a number #1 receiver when he was traded for. At best, the hope was that he could be a good #2 receiver for a team with a dearth of talent within that unit. If he re-signs with the Bills (and I doubt he will) it will be for an average cost of a second receiver. 

 

Maybe it is his knees but he seems very sluggish. And as you noted he just doesn't seem very into the games. Without question his value as a player is very diminished. I don't see where he fits with this team. 

[Irv]

Let him go.  No effort. No talent.  

[GG]

In all seriousness, if he has another clunker game, don’t be surprised if he’s IRd with an injury.  Bills will not release him because of comp pick formula.  

Edited September 26, 2018 by GG

[CommonCents]

I think he will have a big game this week. 

[dpberr]

Yet another star staring a big payday in the face but too lazy or too derpy to make it happen.

 

Even if he hates Buffalo, all he has to do is play great for one year and he's set for life.  

[Fan in Chicago]

26 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

I think he will have a big game this week. 

That is more hope and prayer than commonsense

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, Fan in Chicago said:

That is more hope and prayer than commonsense

Is it? GB has one good player in their secondary and he isn’t a cornerback. Allen showed what he can do last week and that will raise KB’s stock and he has to know that. I’m sure his agent has been in his ear all week.

 

Factor in that Arod is going to score points, the Bills will be passing the ball and someone is going to need to catch it. The match up favors a good game for the big guy. 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/23/2018 at 4:36 PM, stevewin said:

There's a part of me that has dreams of Allen being fearless and relentlessly getting all over KBs arse to get his act together - which ends up turning his season around.  Not likely- but how awesome would that be 

 

A rookie can't verbally get all over a veteran's arse.  It wouldn't work. 

 

That's what the play hurdling Barr was about.  It's a gauntlet. 

It's a "here's what I got athletically, here's what I'm willing to do to get the team a 1st down.  What YOU got?" moment.

 

12 hours ago, Irv said:

Let him go.  No effort. No talent.  

 

He's got talent right enough.  That's what's so frustrating.  He could if he would, but his head and his heart aren't there.

 

Let him go? Who we got behind him?

[GG]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

A rookie can't verbally get all over a veteran's arse.  It wouldn't work. 

 

 

Allen has the ultimate tool, his decision on where to throw the ball.

 

Say hello to our new 6'5" big body molasses decoy.

[Chandler#81]

At this rate, he’ll be available at a decent price next year. The armspan of an eagle means nothing to a pigeon who can’t grab.

Anyone here interested in offering a much lower 2 year deal?

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said:

At this rate, he’ll be available at a decent price next year. The armspan of an eagle means nothing to a pigeon who can’t grab.

Anyone here interested in offering a much lower 2 year deal?

 

I'm not interested in offering him anything but a ticket out of town.

Dude looks apathetic and blames everybody else.

He's in a contract year, this was the "prove it year" and he looks completely checked out.

If he cares this little on a contract year then I'm not sure what can motivate him.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

19 minutes ago, GG said:

Allen has the ultimate tool, his decision on where to throw the ball.

Say hello to our new 6'5" big body molasses decoy.

 

That only works if the D is giving him something else.

[Rocky Landing]

At the very least, the entire team got a shot in the arm vs. the Vikes. And, it did look like Benjimin was better in the second half (granted, Daboll took his foot off the gas at that point). But, maybe that enthusiasm will help get Benjimin's head back in the game? That would be the optimistic take.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

At this rate, he’ll be available at a decent price next year. The armspan of an eagle means nothing to a pigeon who can’t grab.

Anyone here interested in offering a much lower 2 year deal?

 

...he's not worth an Earl Scheib paint job..............

[John from Riverside]

My thoughts drift back to the whole KB/Cam Newton on the field conversation thing......

 

With every passing game I am more on Cam Newton's side of this.....which is sad because I ALWAYS give my bills players the benefit of the doubt

 

KB needs to pull his head out of his ass and play like he wants to be paid

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

I think that's a bit harsh, myself. 

 

I mean, he's right about Foster and the long ball, but Holmes made a couple clutch catches one on the goal line that set up the touch, and just missed getting his 2nd foot inbounds on another.  He's also been clutch in blocking when asked.  Jones made a couple adjustments to help Allen out vs. Chargers.  He's caught 3 of his 4 targets last 2 weeks, and he's been open other times.

 

Benjamin caught 2 of 3 and 3 of 5 last 2 weeks.  While you'd like to see him do better, a 60% WR is as good as he's ever been in his career so that's not "a case of the dropsies" that's STD KB.  He was 50/50 his first two (good yardage) years in the league.  It's more his attitude, to me - the way he's whiffing blocks, the way he didn't try on the onside kick, his general demeanor seems to be like "homey don't care"

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think that's a bit harsh, myself. 

 

I mean, he's right about Foster and the long ball, but Holmes made a couple clutch catches one on the goal line that set up the touch, and just missed getting his 2nd foot inbounds on another.  He's also been clutch in blocking when asked.  Jones made a couple adjustments to help Allen out vs. Chargers.  He's caught 3 of his 4 targets last 2 weeks, and he's been open other times.

 

Benjamin caught 2 of 3 and 3 of 5 last 2 weeks.  While you'd like to see him do better, a 60% WR is as good as he's ever been in his career so that's not "a case of the dropsies" that's STD KB.  He was 50/50 his first two (good yardage) years in the league.  It's more his attitude, to me - the way he's whiffing blocks, the way he didn't try on the onside kick, his general demeanor seems to be like "homey don't care"

 

One to Five, it's an underwhelming group. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

One to Five, it's an underwhelming group. 

 

That's the real problem.  It's not like they're that bad as a group of #3-#5 NFL WR.

It's that they're missing the #1 and prolly the #2.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's the real problem.  It's not like they're that bad as a group of #3-#5 NFL WR.

It's that they're missing the #1 and prolly the #2.

 

Therein lies the issue that unfortunately won't be addressed until 2019 via the draft and UFA.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

51 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Honestly though, and maybe my list is out of date, but there's some people that feel like they're worth a look.

 

Jeremy Maclin - yes, I know he snubbed us and may still have a hamstring issue

Jeremy Kerley - yes, I know we cut him

Dontrelle Inman

Jeff Janis

Dez Bryant - yes, I know...

Kendall Wright

Kenny Britt

Brandon Tate

Markus Wheaton

 

All of these guys are in that 27-30 range and could be useful vets that likely want to prove they still have it instead of stone hands Benjamin or can get separation out of bounds Foster.