Dont look now but word is Josh Allen is already there

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, cba fan said:

Yeah I got it, Dick.

 

...Jesus, he has some sand (as usual) in his jockey shorts....SMH.....

[Threedollabills]

5 hours ago, BillsFan17 said:

So NFL players cant have outside interests, solid out look. Especislly considering at least Rosen is signed.

 

5 hours ago, aristocrat said:

hasn't signed his contract yet. hopefully that's why he is there

Use your noggins weirdos, do you think he came in early to put in extra work just to NOT sign? McBeane will sign Allen after they spend all that they can and Allen will take a smaller deal to help the team. ugh

Edited July 18, 2018 by Threedollabills

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Its about drawing a line in the sand.  This isn't 'Nam, Roy.

 

Also, it was mostly a joke about everyone at TBD being an idiot, per DC Tom's first law of dynamics.  I guess it wasn't that clear.

 

As a fellow idiot, I'll say that it was quite clear. And FTR, I interpreted the OP the same as others, that Allen is "there" as in "ready" 

 

^ idiot

[greenyellowred]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

A few years ago, the Bills had a 3rd overall pick who was dedicated to the craft service...

 

Who?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

As a fellow idiot, I'll say that it was quite clear. And FTR, I interpreted the OP the same as others, that Allen is "there" as in "ready" 

 

^ idiot

 

....agree bud....he showed up early......maybe that is part of his work ethic to prepare...plenty of negatives out there to dispel......TT and EJ had great work ethics but it did not translate to the speed and complexity of the game at the NFL level.....so of course the TBD "experts" are hoping that his purported work ethic leads to the SAME results......pretty sick, right?.....

[Jauronimo]

12 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

 

As a fellow idiot, I'll say that it was quite clear. And FTR, I interpreted the OP the same as others, that Allen is "there" as in "ready" 

 

^ idiot

I thought that was going to be the topic of this thread too.

[BillsFan17]

52 minutes ago, Threedollabills said:

 

Use your noggins weirdos, do you think he came in early to put in extra work just to NOT sign? McBeane will sign Allen after they spend all that they can and Allen will take a smaller deal to help the team. ugh

There is a rookie wage scale, its pretty much fixed what Allen can make.

[JaBu]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Depends.  If he can't work with Daboll or QB coach Culley and there aren't any WR there for another week, he might be better off somewhere else, working with Jordan Palmer and some of our WR independently

But if he has not signed his contract yet is he still constricted by the bargaining agreement seeing as he isn't on the team yet? That crossed my mind as to why he hasn't signed yet, because the way rookies a slotted there is not much leverage holding out.

[Fadingpain]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Rookies dont report for a week

 

but guess who is already at One Bills Drive working.......

 

Dedication to craft is definately not an issue with our 7th overall pick

Get him into the HOF now! 

 

 

[BobbyC81]

8 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

Saves a roster spot for another punter!

 

 

Or or the dreaded kickoff specialist.

[/dev/null]

8 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

but guess who is already at One Bills Drive working.......

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

I'm stupid.  I thought this meant he is "...already there.", as in he is getting everything down and understanding it.

And when I think "already there", I think of a line from an AC/DC song

 

 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Maybe money is not his primary focus.

 

Looks that way.

[Uncle Joe]

1 hour ago, LittleJoeCartwright said:

 

 

Or or the dreaded kickoff specialist.

Yeah, that Gay guy.

[Thurman#1]

12 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

The other guy is working on a plan to fix the NCAA. How would you rather have your QB spend his time?

 

 

The other guy finished his plan and there's no evidence he spent more than 10 or 20 hours on it. Both ways are just fine.

 

If Allen is there, that's great. Where you do the work doesn't really matter, but it sure isn't any kind of disadvantage to be working at OBD instead of at home.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

Eli = INT. He is overrated and far from elite...

 

Edit: and still better than any starting QB we have had since 96....

 

 

He's played at a near-elite level several times during his career. Basically when the Giants had a really good lineup around him, particularly a running game. No, he's certainly not elite like a Brady or a Rodgers. But yeah, he consistently has played at a top ten to twelve level when he's had even a decent lineup around him. And top ten to twelve is what you need. Teams with a guy playing at that level stand a real chance at a Lombardi.

 

Eli's good enough to be instrumental in your team winning a Super Bowl. Duh.

 

If anything, he's underrated by many.

 

 

8 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I want a guy who eats, drinks and sleeps football and is laser focused.

 

 

You'll get guys like that eight or ten or even twelve hours a day, maybe. 

 

After that, everyone has other interests. Including Brady, Rodgers, Unitas, Montana, and all the rest. Peyton spends a ton of time on charity and family. Brady on his nutty business and his family. Rodgers on his GF and visiting Sundance as he's a film nut and he plays guitar, and apparently a golf nut also, as the story of his funny remark to Josh Allen showed.

 

Eat ... sleep ... laser focus ... those are the current cliches, and it all sounds terrific, but if it were actual it would be evidence of severe OCD.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Sky Diver]

6 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The other guy finished his plan and there's no evidence he spent more than 10 or 20 hours on it. Both ways are just fine.

 

If Allen is there, that's great. Where you do the work doesn't really matter, but it sure isn't any kind of disadvantage to be working at OBD instead of at home.

 

10 - 20 hrs wasted that could have been spent on studying the playbook.

 

I want a QB that is dedicated to the cause of winning football games.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Cripple Creek]

16 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

By virtue of being a poster at TBD he is, in fact, an idiot.  And he's not alone.   If OP says "Allen is here" then we all get to wonder what in the hell our future QB is doing in the middle of nowhere California, you idiot.

To be fair, Riverside isn’t as middle of nowhere as Hemet is.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

19 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Rookies dont report for a week

 

but guess who is already at One Bills Drive working.......

OBD has hung a tire, and Mr. Allen will be running that play until he gets it right...

[Thurman#1]

19 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

10 - 20 hrs wasted that could have been spent on studying the playbook.

 

I want a QB that is dedicated to the cause of winning football games.

 

 

Fine. So that dumb idea means you certainly wouldn't accept Brady as your QB. Or Aaron Rodgers. Or actually any other QB ever in the history of organized football. 

 

Find me a QB who hasn't spent 10 - 20 hours off of football in the offseason and then get back to me. There is no such person, nor has there ever been.

 

Again, as I pointed out, Brady has his dumb business and his family. Rodgers has his GF and plays guitar and golfs seriously. There is absolutely nothing to see here, except your apparent Rosen hate.

Edited July 20, 2018 by Thurman#1

[NoSaint]

21 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

10 - 20 hrs wasted that could have been spent on studying the playbook.

 

I want a QB that is dedicated to the cause of winning football games.

 

::eye roll::

[Sky Diver]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Fine. So that dumb idea means you certainly wouldn't accept Brady as your QB. Or Aaron Rodgers. Or actually any other QB ever in the history of organized football. 

 

Find me a QB who hasn't spent 10 - 20 hours off of football in the offseason and then get back to me. There is no such person, nor has there ever been.

 

Again, as I pointed out, Brady has his dumb business and his family. Rodgers has his GF and plays guitar and golfs seriously. There is absolutely nothing to see here, except your apparent Rosen hate.

 

What’s dumb is thinking that he can fix the NCAA. Who knows how much time he wasted that could have been used in more worthwhile pursuits.

[vincec]

On 7/18/2018 at 1:23 PM, BillsVet said:

Symbolism over substance.

 

Had a guy at work years ago talk about how, "sweat doesn't count...results do."

 

Still, I wish Allen the best and hope he becomes the guy.  

“Don’t mistake activity for achievement.” John Wooden

[Sky Diver]

12 minutes ago, vincec said:

“Don’t mistake activity for achievement.” John Wooden

 

“Don’t expect great achievements if you haven’t made any effort.” Sky Diver

Edited July 20, 2018 by Sky Diver

[Bills Pimpin']

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Fine. So that dumb idea means you certainly wouldn't accept Brady as your QB. Or Aaron Rodgers. Or actually any other QB ever in the history of organized football. 

 

Find me a QB who hasn't spent 10 - 20 hours off of football in the offseason and then get back to me. There is no such person, nor has there ever been.

 

Again, as I pointed out, Brady has his dumb business and his family. Rodgers has his GF and plays guitar and golfs seriously. There is absolutely nothing to see here, except your apparent Rosen hate.

The problem with Rosen is that he actually thinks he can fix the NCAA in 10-20 hours. He also probably thinks he can solve world hunger,  cure cancer and of course fix the Arizona offense in 10-20 hours. Rosens downfall won't be his talent, it will be his mental makeup. By all reports the guy is very douchy, entitled and thinks he's smarter than everyone in the room. Not great characteristics for the locker room or the film room. (Jay Cutler anyone?) And telling the world he can fix the NCAA is proof of that. I will take Allen's demeanor any day and I'll take his talents as well.

Should be an interesting comparison for a few years for sure, but as of today I feel pretty good about the choice Beane made..

 

[Sky Diver]

We don’t actually know how much time he spent developing his plan. 10 - 20 hrs was someone’s assumption.

 

He’s such a brainiac maybe he hatched the plan while he was having breakfast eating his granola and drinking a double latte.

[PrimeTime101]

to many unpunished trolls on these boards, something the admins here do little about.

[Cornette's Commentary]

1 hour ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

The problem with Rosen is that he actually thinks he can fix the NCAA in 10-20 hours. He also probably thinks he can solve world hunger,  cure cancer and of course fix the Arizona offense in 10-20 hours. Rosens downfall won't be his talent, it will be his mental makeup. By all reports the guy is very douchy, entitled and thinks he's smarter than everyone in the room. Not great characteristics for the locker room or the film room. (Jay Cutler anyone?) And telling the world he can fix the NCAA is proof of that. I will take Allen's demeanor any day and I'll take his talents as well.

Should be an interesting comparison for a few years for sure, but as of today I feel pretty good about the choice Beane made..

 

But, but...DAN MARINO! JOHN ELWAY! JIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bing Bong]

as he should be.. Go Allen!

1 hour ago, Bills Pimpin' said:

The problem with Rosen is that he actually thinks he can fix the NCAA

It's not hard to fix the NCAA, replace with another college institution or put people in charge with common sense not to profit off of  some very poor insanely talented athletes forced to go through their system.

Edited July 20, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[Buffaloflash]

On 7/18/2018 at 1:01 PM, benderbender said:

It’s happened before

 

Hahaha,at first I thought it was fake,then I checked out this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xjm4x1DhP_Q

[leonbus23]

On 7/18/2018 at 9:29 AM, Sky Diver said:

 

Let me know when he cures cancer or solves world hunger.

If he could get you to stop posting then he'd surpass the feat of curing cancer. 

Edited July 25, 2018 by leonbus23

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 7/18/2018 at 6:37 PM, BillsFan17 said:

There is a rookie wage scale, its pretty much fixed what Allen can make.

 

 

...agents are playing the waiting game to see what #1 Mayfield signs for...variables are guaranteed money and offset language...............

[BillsFan17]

14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...agents are playing the waiting game to see what #1 Mayfield signs for...variables are guaranteed money and offset language...............

Its offset language in regards to the guaranteed money and how its handled if the rookie doesnt last the duration of their rookie contract.

 

Other than that, each draft pick falls into a slot of what they can make. Baker can sign right now and it wouldn't necessarily have any effect on Allen.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

Its offset language in regards to the guaranteed money and how its handled if the rookie doesnt last the duration of their rookie contract.

 

Other than that, each draft pick falls into a slot of what they can make. Baker can sign right now and it wouldn't necessarily have any effect on Allen.

 

...so if those two variables have no effect, why did Boza hold out?.............

[BillsFan17]

2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...so if those two variables have no effect, why did Boza hold out?.............

Because of offsetting language in regards to the signing bonus. And its Bosa not Boza

 

"The impasse between Bosa and the Chargers centers around a failure to agree on offset language and Bosa’s signing bonus deferment.

The current collective bargaining agreement made negotiating with rookies a bit easier for NFL teams, but offset language remains a sticking point, and it certainly is a huge factor for the Chargers in this situation."

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2016/8/8/12402198/joey-bosa-contract-holdout-san-diego-chargers-why

Edited July 21, 2018 by BillsFan17

[Big Turk]

Oh yeah? Does this song start playing when he steps on the field too?

 

 

[Punching Bag]

On 7/18/2018 at 1:00 PM, eball said:

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you but EJ Manuel is, by all accounts, a very hard worker.  "Making it" as an NFL QB is combination of many things -- talent, intelligence, mental fortitude, work ethic.  Come up short in any one of those areas and you have a tough time.

 

I would add good coaching and he did not have that.

On 7/18/2018 at 2:14 PM, Reed83HOF said:

OROY = Josh Rosen

 

You can bank it...

 

Hopefully not fully guaranteed by US government including bailout by government for that is a junk bond.

On 7/18/2018 at 2:25 PM, Luxy312 said:

It's good that he's there and hopefully he is beginning to work already.  His character and attitude were never in question.

In terms of the "he hasn't signed his contract" doomsayers, it's simply not a big deal.  His agent is actually negotiating for 7 other rookies besides Allen.  The issue isn't the dollars, which are predetermined, but by offset language.  Basically, it says that if they are cut or traded before their 4 year guaranteed deal is done, that the guaranteed money is offset by whatever he makes elsewhere.  His agent wants it removed from all of these rookie deals, while teams are balking.  It will get worked out none the less.

 

No reason why teams should. No reason to allow double dipping.

[Bills Pimpin']

On 7/20/2018 at 9:01 AM, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

as he should be.. Go Allen!

It's not hard to fix the NCAA, replace with another college institution or put people in charge with common sense not to profit off of  some very poor insanely talented athletes forced to go through their system.

Yeah. That's not hard at all.

[zonabb]

Who cares? Oh, only those emotional types who so badly want the guy to succeed and thereby roll out tidbit after tidbit as if they have a causal relationship to success. Looks, he did this, this, and this this summer after picking cantaloupes and throwing them 50 yards into bins all day. And the book says if he does them all.... Super Bowl. Lots of QBs work just as hard, come in early, stay late, talk the talk,.... and then suck royally. 

 

 

 

 

[#34fan]

Already where?.. -I/R ?

[Mat68]

Imo Allen is the starter week 1 or becomes it before the end of week 2.  Allen is doing all the small stuff while also having the most talent.  When he is out working the other guys what's the point of not playing the more talented guy?  Run game, defense, 2 or 3 big pass plays a game is a decent formula to win.