Another Fan Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 A Whole Foods is opening up nearby where I live. Have never actually shopped there. Kinda seems it’s overpriced stuff anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Another Fan said: A Whole Foods is opening up nearby where I live. Have never actually shopped there. Kinda seems it’s overpriced stuff anyway. The cost is higher to produce most organic foods such as milk and meat so that is reflected in the selling price at the store. To answer the question no I do not and is in large part that I have a set budget for groceries which is difficult to meet buying conventional products. I could flex my budget a little but I have a rule that 5-10 percent of my spending is on stuff I will use a few months in to the future versus the coming week. Soup has come down a little so I am buying a can or two intended for use during cold weather. I buy very little in terms of processed foods and will buy potatoes this week with the intent of making potato salad. Probably said more than most here want to know about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I used to be pretty anti whole foods, considered it overpriced and unnecessary....I've actually found that compared to wegmans, it really isn't that much more expensive, AND it's not all organic. I am now waiting to see what kind of prime discount i can get there. I have become a Whole Foods convert 14 minutes ago, Another Fan said: A Whole Foods is opening up nearby where I live. Have never actually shopped there. Kinda seems it’s overpriced stuff anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, The Poojer said: I used to be pretty anti whole foods, considered it overpriced and unnecessary....I've actually found that compared to wegmans, it really isn't that much more expensive, AND it's not all organic. I am now waiting to see what kind of prime discount i can get there. I have become a Whole Foods convert I usually only go to WF for things I can’t get elsewhere. It’s not as convenient to me, and the “Whole Paycheck” reputation didn’t help. Having said that, I have come to realize they often have some things cheaper than the Publix near me. I need to re-think, but convenience is still a factor. A new 365 (WF house brand? Like Costco and Kirkland?) is opening closer to us, but I don’t really know what thats all about yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 There are two (somewhat related) topics here: organic foods and Whole Foods Working in the food industry, and going through a lot of academic research, I can say that there is no study I could find that could conclude that organic food is more nutritious, safer, or tastes better than conventional foodstuffs when you go through double blind tests (neither the tester, or testee knows which is which during the test). That said, there is botanical work that suggests that organics in the store taste better because they aren't being grown for volume, as nutrients and flavor compounds are more densely compacted. Most megacorp-argiculture prioritizes size and speed of growth, so it can taste watered down. But it's not the "organic" quality that likely does it: it's freshness, and being picked at a smaller size that seems to give more flavor. If you can, roadside stands and farmers markets are the best way to go. As far as I can tell, it doesn't do anything for any other type of foodstuff. As for Whole Foods, I think they are a bit overpriced compared to Wegmans without a resulting increase in quality. They also range a lot depending on the store. The one that used to be by me had a great fish section and a better bakery, but was subpar to Wegmans in a bunch of areas. I'm not a fan, but I hear there are better ones in ritzier areas. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 I don't. Only organic I use is stuff for my lawn. I make my own weed killer and I use natural fertilizer with zero chemicals. This is what's in my organic fertilizer: What is Milorganite Milorganite is composed of heat-dried microbes that have digested the organic material in wastewater. It's manufactured by the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District, which captures waste water from the metropolitan Milwaukee area and uses naturally occurring microbes to digest the nutrients. After the organic matter has been consumed, the cleaned water is returned to Lake Michigan and the resulting material is dried and marketed as Milorganite. Is it poop in a bag? No. It’s been a common misconception that Milorganite is “poop in a bag.” Milorganite is composed of microbes that have eaten well, died, and been dried. Microbes eat the organic material found in wastewater, die when they have nothing else to eat, and are heat-dried at temperatures up to 1200⁰F. Milorganite complies with all applicable federal and state requirements. It’s safe to use throughout your yard and garden when used as directed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Yes - only because I have significant food allergies that robs the enjoyment of eating. Dining out? Forget it unless it's straight up meat on a grill with vegetables. Finding food items that do not have soy or tree nuts is difficult. Whole Foods carries some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 No. I insist that all my food be inorganic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) I buy as much as possible. Yes its more expensive, and i cant point to any study to confirm...but i just think there has to be something in the "regular" food supply that has given rise to food allergies and other conditions like ADD. BTW, i am pretty damn sure Walmart and just about every single grocery store now carries all kind or organic produce. Only thing I do not buy consistently "organic" is beef. Edited June 28, 2018 by plenzmd1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 (edited) To help keep potassium levels up, I have to eat bananas. Although slightly more in cost, the organic ones tend to be greener and do not overripen in the shopping cart, nor in the 20 minute ride home from the grocery store. Edited June 29, 2018 by Ridgewaycynic2013 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: I don't. Only organic I use is stuff for my lawn. I make my own weed killer and I use natural fertilizer with zero chemicals. This is what's in my organic fertilizer: What is Milorganite Milorganite is composed of heat-dried microbes that have digested the organic material in wastewater. It's manufactured by the Milwaukee Metropolitan Sewerage District, which captures waste water from the metropolitan Milwaukee area and uses naturally occurring microbes to digest the nutrients. After the organic matter has been consumed, the cleaned water is returned to Lake Michigan and the resulting material is dried and marketed as Milorganite. Is it poop in a bag? No. It’s been a common misconception that Milorganite is “poop in a bag.” Milorganite is composed of microbes that have eaten well, died, and been dried. Microbes eat the organic material found in wastewater, die when they have nothing else to eat, and are heat-dried at temperatures up to 1200⁰F. Milorganite complies with all applicable federal and state requirements. It’s safe to use throughout your yard and garden when used as directed. And it's a great deer repellent as well! 57 minutes ago, DC Tom said: No. I insist that all my food be inorganic. So like salt washed down with say....ammonia? Yum!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: And it's a great deer repellent as well! So I guess deer don't like to smell dried sewage water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nervous Guy Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: So I guess deer don't like to smell dried sewage water? I guess, but it sure does work, repellent and fertilizer built in one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 52 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: And it's a great deer repellent as well! So like salt washed down with say....ammonia? Yum!! Aluminum oxide and water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 Not intentionally but wegmans seems to be going on that direction so by default I have little choice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 28, 2018 Share Posted June 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: To help keep potassium levels up, I have to eat bananas. Although slightly more in cost, the organic ones tend to be greener and do not ripen in the shopping cart, nor in the 20 minute ride home from the grocery store. Interesting. I have a banana and skim milk for breakfast every morning, but this is news to me. I’ll give it a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 6 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: But it's not the "organic" quality that likely does it: it's freshness, and being picked at a smaller size that seems to give more flavor. If you can, roadside stands and farmers markets are the best way to go. Or just being picked when it's ripe, which is why farmers markets are the place to get produce. The difference between a strawberry or peach that was properly ripened on the vine verses what you generally get in the supermarket is huge. But we do buy organic milk and certain other things to avoid the hormones, chemicals, etc. in the kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 6 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: There are two (somewhat related) topics here: organic foods and Whole Foods Working in the food industry, and going through a lot of academic research, I can say that there is no study I could find that could conclude that organic food is more nutritious, safer, or tastes better than conventional foodstuffs when you go through double blind tests (neither the tester, or testee knows which is which during the test). That said, there is botanical work that suggests that organics in the store taste better because they aren't being grown for volume, as nutrients and flavor compounds are more densely compacted. Most megacorp-argiculture prioritizes size and speed of growth, so it can taste watered down. But it's not the "organic" quality that likely does it: it's freshness, and being picked at a smaller size that seems to give more flavor. If you can, roadside stands and farmers markets are the best way to go. As far as I can tell, it doesn't do anything for any other type of foodstuff. As for Whole Foods, I think they are a bit overpriced compared to Wegmans without a resulting increase in quality. They also range a lot depending on the store. The one that used to be by me had a great fish section and a better bakery, but was subpar to Wegmans in a bunch of areas. I'm not a fan, but I hear there are better ones in ritzier areas. This. Organic fever is just ludditism by any other name. the anti-GMO stuff is too. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Organic is no different than anything else. People think it is better in any way are just dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Nope.....if my wife buys it, I'll eat it like most anything, but I certainly don't go out of my way to seek out organic food. I think most of it is an overpriced scam. I think your aloud to have a certain amount of chemicals and still be able to labe it organic. A Whole Foods just opened here as well and I have no plans of going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 hours ago, Another Fan said: A Whole Foods is opening up nearby where I live. Have never actually shopped there. Kinda seems it’s overpriced stuff anyway. The Whole Foods "experience" isn't the same since Amazon bought them. However, if you have Amazon Prime sign up with a cell phone number (they will send you a text) and can get sale prices that way. Is it pricey? Yeah, but if you have allergies, eat only organic, etc it is a one-stop-shop. And, I still have Whole Food shopping bags that are over 10 years old. ? If you want organic fruits and vegetables you can join a CSA. Depending on the CSA you sign up for, organic fruits and vegetables can be much more economical that way. We used to belong to Porter Farms (outside Batavia) and I swear it is the best organic-CSA for the money in the United States. We moved on to one in Clarence that was twice the price but was a fast and easy pickup. We now grow our own (backyard + hunting land) and will also drive for produce up in Niagara County (the orchards next door to the hunting land are an easy stop). There are also plenty of Farmer's Markets nearby where just about anything from organic fruits and vegetables to grass-fed beef and free-range chicken, duck, geese, etc eggs can be purchased. Note: my favorite Whole Foods is one in Jacksonville with a wine bar in the store. Hard to beat that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: The Whole Foods "experience" isn't the same since Amazon bought them. However, if you have Amazon Prime sign up with a cell phone number (they will send you a text) and can get sale prices that way. Is it pricey? Yeah, but if you have allergies, eat only organic, etc it is a one-stop-shop. And, I still have Whole Food shopping bags that are over 10 years old. ? If you want organic fruits and vegetables you can join a CSA. Depending on the CSA you sign up for, organic fruits and vegetables can be much more economical that way. We used to belong to Porter Farms (outside Batavia) and I swear it is the best organic-CSA for the money in the United States. We moved on to one in Clarence that was twice the price but was a fast and easy pickup. We now grow our own (backyard + hunting land) and will also drive for produce up in Niagara County (the orchards next door to the hunting land are an easy stop). There are also plenty of Farmer's Markets nearby where just about anything from organic fruits and vegetables to grass-fed beef and free-range chicken, duck, geese, etc eggs can be purchased. Note: my favorite Whole Foods is one in Jacksonville with a wine bar in the store. Hard to beat that! I totally get that proteins might be better if organic. What about fruits and vegatables? Once you wash them, is there any difference? I take the dog to the Marietta Square Farmers Market (GA) almost every Saturday. A grocery store tomato is not really a tomato....and I just answered my own question. Haha. ? Never mind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I totally get that proteins might be better if organic. What about fruits and vegatables? Once you wash them, is there any difference? I take the dog to the Marietta Square Farmers Market (GA) almost every Saturday. A grocery store tomato is not really a tomato....and I just answered my own question. Haha. ? Never mind..... We have organic pear trees ? (really needs a projectile vomiting emoji). The bugs are how we get extra protein. ? The organic apples are surprisingly worm and bug-free (YMMV). And, I just got rid of my blackberries that were also organic (gave them to a friend who planted them next to his raspberry bushes). Many people suggest buying organic fruits and vegetables that are listed as the dirty dozen - fruits and vegetables that are supposed to be worth the extra $$ to avoid pesticides. The list changes a bit yearly (they've been publishing that list for a long time). It isn't for everyone. My brother is an exterminator and refuses to buy anything marked organic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 7 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: There are two (somewhat related) topics here: organic foods and Whole Foods Working in the food industry, and going through a lot of academic research, I can say that there is no study I could find that could conclude that organic food is more nutritious, safer, or tastes better than conventional foodstuffs when you go through double blind tests (neither the tester, or testee knows which is which during the test). That said, there is botanical work that suggests that organics in the store taste better because they aren't being grown for volume, as nutrients and flavor compounds are more densely compacted. Most megacorp-argiculture prioritizes size and speed of growth, so it can taste watered down. But it's not the "organic" quality that likely does it: it's freshness, and being picked at a smaller size that seems to give more flavor. If you can, roadside stands and farmers markets are the best way to go. As far as I can tell, it doesn't do anything for any other type of foodstuff. As for Whole Foods, I think they are a bit overpriced compared to Wegmans without a resulting increase in quality. They also range a lot depending on the store. The one that used to be by me had a great fish section and a better bakery, but was subpar to Wegmans in a bunch of areas. I'm not a fan, but I hear there are better ones in ritzier areas. Mostly fair. But not all of us have a Weeman’s option- so that may skew your opinion! Compared to my local groceries there’s a noticeable jump in quality essentially across the board. still not where I do the majority of my shopping but I do pop in with some regularity. As others mention- sometimes cheaper for certain items, and often have selection I can’t get elsewhere 9 hours ago, Another Fan said: A Whole Foods is opening up nearby where I live. Have never actually shopped there. Kinda seems it’s overpriced stuff anyway. How do you reconcile the second and third sentences? Did you go wander the aisles without intent to purchase while on vacation?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: We have organic pear trees ? (really needs a projectile vomiting emoji). The bugs are how we get extra protein. ? The organic apples are surprisingly worm and bug-free (YMMV). And, I just got rid of my blackberries that were also organic (gave them to a friend who planted them next to his raspberry bushes). Many people suggest buying organic fruits and vegetables that are listed as the dirty dozen - fruits and vegetables that are supposed to be worth the extra $$ to avoid pesticides. The list changes a bit yearly (they've been publishing that list for a long time). It isn't for everyone. My brother is an exterminator and refuses to buy anything marked organic. I tried tomatoes 4-5 years and always got bugs. Made my own organic spray, to no avail. Now I’m just resigned to the farmers market in season. The dog gets to sniff some butts (mostly other dogs), we all win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, Augie said: I tried tomatoes 4-5 years and always got bugs. Made my own organic spray, to no avail. Now I’m just resigned to the farmers market in season. The dog gets to sniff some butts (mostly other dogs), we all win. Wow, ok, yeah tomatoes are fairly easy. This year I am growing organic cucumbers, peas, beans, cabbage (crossing fingers on these, right now they look beautiful), Brussels sprouts (was sure the bugs were gonna get 'em but they persisted), lettuce, spinach, mustard greens, a buncha herbs (that will be dried) and tomatoes in the backyard (so far, so good). The hunting land will end up with turnips, parsnips, edamame, and some other stuff (I don't do that, Hubby does... he does it as deer plots but I get first dibs as the deer are eating the farmer's corn next door until they plow under the field in late-November or early-December). It isn't for everyone, but I enjoy it. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Wow, ok, yeah tomatoes are fairly easy. This year I am growing organic cucumbers, peas, beans, cabbage (crossing fingers on these, right now they look beautiful), Brussels sprouts (was sure the bugs were gonna get 'em but they persisted), lettuce, spinach, mustard greens, a buncha herbs (that will be dried) and tomatoes in the backyard (so far, so good). The hunting land will end up with turnips, parsnips, edamame, and some other stuff (I don't do that, Hubby does... he does it as deer plots but I get first dibs as the deer are eating the farmer's corn next door until they plow under the field in late-November or early-December). It isn't for everyone, but I enjoy it. ? Sure, taunt me now! I know your type! ? We just kept getting bugs in the tomatoes. Inside a pool cage in Florida. In pots and an Earth Box in GA. It’s the Farmers Market era for me now. But my herbs are doing well! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 "organic" is bs to overcharge you with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 20 hours ago, dpberr said: Yes - only because I have significant food allergies that robs the enjoyment of eating. Dining out? Forget it unless it's straight up meat on a grill with vegetables. Finding food items that do not have soy or tree nuts is difficult. Whole Foods carries some. I've been aware of being celiac since 2001. No gluten to include: beer, bread, pasta, most dark alcohol, with the exception of rum. The variety and quality of food has improved over the years. Because of the expense, I only buy organic if I can't find the equivalent product. That's not often, but it can happen. There's no cure for what I have, and no drugs involved. It's all done with diet control. If I didn't do that, my immune system would break down, and I likely would not have lived very long after the original diagnosis. It sucks, but considering the alternative, I'm making it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 Organic food grow in fields that used to be sprayed. Chemical residues still in ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 My sister-in-law bought a $90 organic turkey one year hoping to impress everyone on how much she spent for that bird on thanksgiving. The following year, my wife and I bought a $30 regular bird and no one could believe how good it tasted. .....the year after that, my sister-in-law bought a regular $30 turkey. Take that, sister-in-law.......take that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I'm into cooking and eating good food. I have always found Whole Foods to be kind of a hit or miss, ****ty organization. Their meat counter is probably the best thing about the store. Much of their produce is nothing special but it is all way overpriced. It's not uncommon to have someone working the fish counter not really know what the hell he is doing, which at a place like W.F. is outrageous. Unfortunately, eating healthy and well in the USA is a very expensive activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 The only organic food I buy is bananas. I've found that organic bananas do not over-ripen as quickly as non-organic bananas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 15 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: ... My brother is an exterminator and refuses to buy anything marked organic. you're saying he doesn't get his fill of chemicals at work? hmmm.... interesting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 18 hours ago, Augie said: Interesting. I have a banana and skim milk for breakfast every morning, but this is news to me. I’ll give it a try. At our Publix grocery stores down here in FL, the bananas are always displayed on a big table with normal to the left, organic to the right. The organic are more expensive and have a blue piece of tape wrapped around the bunch. It is almost impossible to get a good green normal banana, but the organic bananas are always almost all green. I suspect that has something to do with food distribution schedules to the store as much as anything, but the organic bananas are definitely always green and the normal are almost always mostly yellow. I have also noticed that organic bananas from other places, such as Trader Joe's sometimes don't ripen to a fault! Like they kind of stay green forever, it is hard to tell when it is ripe for eating, and when you finally eat it, it's not that great. I would put forth that a banana is better as a genetically modified organism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Poojer Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 There's no such thing as the bolded statement below....the best bananas are yellow with plenty of black/brown spots on them...true story!! 14 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: At our Publix grocery stores down here in FL, the bananas are always displayed on a big table with normal to the left, organic to the right. The organic are more expensive and have a blue piece of tape wrapped around the bunch. It is almost impossible to get a good green normal banana, but the organic bananas are always almost all green. I suspect that has something to do with food distribution schedules to the store as much as anything, but the organic bananas are definitely always green and the normal are almost always mostly yellow. I have also noticed that organic bananas from other places, such as Trader Joe's sometimes don't ripen to a fault! Like they kind of stay green forever, it is hard to tell when it is ripe for eating, and when you finally eat it, it's not that great. I would put forth that a banana is better as a genetically modified organism! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 43 minutes ago, Foxx said: you're saying he doesn't get his fill of chemicals at work? hmmm.... interesting. That's what I said. He's either gonna die young from all the chemicals or live to 150 because he's basically embalmed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 (edited) On 6/28/2018 at 12:52 PM, Another Fan said: A Whole Foods is opening up nearby where I live. Have never actually shopped there. Kinda seems it’s overpriced stuff anyway. We got a Whole Foods here a few months ago, I haven't gone yet because it's rumored to be costly. In terms of Organic, my fiance buys it all the time at Wegman's because she just feels it's better and I won't argue with her but I honestly don't think there's anything to validly say it is. Edited June 29, 2018 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 I can barely afford regular food now, and prices are going up again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 29, 2018 Share Posted June 29, 2018 1 hour ago, The Poojer said: There's no such thing as the bolded statement below....the best bananas are yellow with plenty of black/brown spots on them...true story!! My wife always buys the greenest banana she can find because, well......she hates the taste of banana. So I wait..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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