What are YOUR expectations if Allen wins the start?

[#34fan]

6 minutes ago, Lfod said:

My expectations is that is he starts the experiment begins and Allen stays the starter until the experiment is over regulardless of the outcome. If you start him and he gets killed I won't be listening to excuses because I wanted the team to be patient and not start him until everything around him was ready as well as him being fully ready for the NFL.

 

 

If he obliterates McCarron and Peterman in Pre-seaz, there's an argument that he IS ready.  -Hard for any GM or HC not to start the guy who gives you the best shot to win.

[Lfod]

17 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

If he obliterates McCarron and Peterman in Pre-seaz, there's an argument that he IS ready.  -Hard for any GM or HC not to start the guy who gives you the best shot to win.

I understand that. If he starts and gets injured for the season behind a weak offensive line then the criticism on starting him will be justified.

 

If the receivers can't get separation and he is forced to run for his life and can't get settled in then the criticism for starting him would be justified. The same if the passes are rushed and tipped to the other team. 

 

Not saying anything bad will happen but starting him to me means that the offense around him is built to win as well. If not sacrifice AJ for the season and save reputations.  

 

I wanna know if Allen is struggling it's because he is at fault. I don't want excuses about the o-line or WRs. I want the situation around him set up so he can be successful.

 

I'm greedy. I want an entire offenseive system and not just focused completely on QB. Especially a rookie. 

Edited May 27, 2018 by Lfod

[oldmanfan]

If he starts he'll make some plays that have you go Whoa and some where you scream in frustration.

 

Just like every young QB that has ever played in the league

[atlbillsfan1975]

Look at what Peyton Manning did his rookie year. He threw for over 3500 yds and 26 td with 28 int. The Colts didn’t have the same team the Bills do this season. 

I’d settle to see a couple 300 yd 3 touchdown games and see some games where he just didn’t have it. 

Allen is going to be special. I believe that with everything I know about football. 

[#34fan]

12 minutes ago, Lfod said:

I understand that. If he starts and gets injured for the season behind a weak offensive line then the criticism on starting him will be justified.

 

If the receivers can't get separation and he is forced to run for his life and can't get settled in then the criticism for starting him would be justified. The same if the passes are rushed and tipped to the other team. 

 

Not saying anything bad will happen but starting him to me means that the offense around him is built to win as well. If not sacrifice AJ for the season and save reputations.  

 

I wanna know if Allen is struggling it's because he is at fault. I don't want excuses about the o-line or WRs. I want the situation around him set up so he can be successful.

 

I'm greedy. I want an entire offenseive system and not just focused completely on QB. Especially a rookie. 

 

I see...  In your mind, there's no scenario where Allen should start the season. -Even if he proves to be better than his competition. He was drafted for the future and not the present.

-Fair enough.

[ColoradoBills]

24 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

If he obliterates McCarron and Peterman in Pre-seaz, there's an argument that he IS ready.  -Hard for any GM or HC not to start the guy who gives you the best shot to win.

 

I'm in the "don't start Josh Allen until he is ready" group.  That being said, is he obliterates (good word) the competition I'm all for starting him!

 

definition of obliterate:  destroy entirely;  wipe out.

[#34fan]

3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm in the "don't start Josh Allen until he is ready" group.  That being said, is he obliterates (good word) the competition I'm all for starting him!

 

definition of obliterate:  destroy entirely;  wipe out.

 

-That's what it should take. -Nothing less.

[Lfod]

3 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

I see...  In your mind, there's no scenario where Allen should start the season. -Even if he proves to be better than his competition. He was drafted for the future and not the present.

-Fair enough.

Well mostly but not completely. If the coaches of the team are confident that Dabolls scheme is firmly in place and can be successful with Josh Allen as the starter then why wait, start him. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

47 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We are expecting all these things from a rookie QB?

 

hmmmmm.....tall order sir

If Allen wins the position then he should be “that” good.  

 

This is what one gets from these types of threads.  

 

In truth i expect Allen to sit and learn. 

[Lfod]

10 minutes ago, #34fan said:

 

-That's what it should take. -Nothing less.

Let me ask you a question about a hypothetical. Let's say Allen is clearly the best QB coming out of camp but other players on the offence are not performing to expectations. Do you still start him? 

 

I won't judge your answer I am genuinely interested in the answer. 

Edited May 27, 2018 by Lfod

[Misterbluesky]

7 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

He'll make some brilliant plays and some cringe-worthy plays, and he'll learn from them. Next year, when we'll have a boatload of money in FA, surround him with legitimate offensive threats and take the training wheels off.

I wouldn't start Allen this year.The current projected offensive line starting group could possibly one of the worst in the league. I'm willing to bite the bullet for a year so he can view the NFL game and stay healthy while doing so.Just my two cents worth...

[#34fan]

14 minutes ago, Lfod said:

Let me ask you a question about a hypothetical. Let's say Allen is clearly the best QB coming out of camp but other players on the offence are not performing to expectations. Do you still start him? 

 

You mean have him lead a band of scrubs by example, POSSIBLY earning the trust and respect of his teamates inadvertently stimulating them overachieve while endearing himself to a grateful and energized fanhood?

 

Probably not.

 

For me to give Allen start, his Chemistry with the O-line and targets would have to be outstanding. -The whole EJ experience left me wary of exposing a young QB.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2018 by #34fan

[Shaw66]

Passer rating in the top 15 in the league and improving play as the season progresses.  No worse than 7-9.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

He'll get experience.

[Gugny]

It's all about the offensive line and the supporting cast.  If he has was Dak Prescott did in his rookie year, I'd expect him to do pretty well.

 

That doesn't look like the case, so I'd expect him to not do very well.  He has an iffy O line, at best; the oldest RB corps in the league and mediocre receivers, at best.

 

Being a rookie in this situation, my hope would be that he stays healthy and that Beane gives him the support he needs.  See:  Goff and Wentz.

[LikeIGiveADarn]

4500 yards

35ish TDs

SB Run

 

 

Figured I'd be the high end of the spectrum of expectations...

[KingRex]

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

If Allen wins the position then he should be “that” good.  

 

This is what one gets from these types of threads.  

 

In truth i expect Allen to sit and learn. 

Allen may well win the start but if he does it is far more likely he is the best QB on the team due to AJ or NP either getting hurt or sucking.  My expectation of Allen is that he needs at least a year to learn the game and 8-8 is a reasonable expectation. 

[Doc Brown]

Somewhere around 22 TD's, 17 INT's, a 59.4% completion rating, 3,593 yards, and an 83.3 passing rating.  That would be a good sign moving forward.

Edited May 27, 2018 by Doc Brown

[transplantbillsfan]

We're going to the playoffs again... whoever starts.

 

This time, 10+ wins.

[Thurman#1]

15 hours ago, #34fan said:

 

Josh Allen had a modest fan club on this board before the Bills drafted him... Since Beane did the deed, many who were on the fence have swung over to Allentown. -Even some long-time residents of Rosenburg are begrudgingly starting relocate.

 

I never cared for either town, but as a Bills fan, I'm always on the lookout for a good N.Y. real estate. if the rookie wins the start, I NEED 7 wins. -With at least a 3-game streak... If I see that kind of value, I might just pack up and sell my home in McCarron.... FYI, I also have a small condo in Nathanville. It's not officially on the Market yet, but I'll consider any reasonable offers. .

 

 

Broken legs for McCarron and Peterman and Tonya Harding acting twitchy?

 

Seriously, shouldn't be any expectations, especially if Allen is starting early. About the only expectations that would be reasonable would be that he would play like a rookie.

 

Wins are a team thing. And it's very very early days. Rather than expectations, hopes would be far more reasonable. I'd hope for slow steadyish improvement.

Edited May 27, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I think it is all going to depend on how Allen is used especially if its first year.

 

If they put it on his shoulders to win.....I expect great plays and big mistakes

 

If they treat it like Big Ben's first year?  Allen could actually be ok in his rookie season......the steelers played great defense, ran the ball A LOT, and had Ben make easy throws.

 

(edit....Virgil beat me to it by 60 seconds)

 

 

Enough with the Roethlisberger comparisons here, or rather the 2004 Steelers comparison.

 

The 2004 Steelers were the #1 defense in the league. In yards AND in points. They allowed opposing QBs a cumulative passer rating of 68.0 that year.

 

This allowed them to lead the league -by nearly 80 attempts - in rushes per game while still winning a ton. 618 rushes, while the Broncos were 2nd with 534.

 

Yes, the Steelers did a terrific job with Roethlisberger. But the reason they were able to do so is that the rest of the team was absolutely sensational.

Edited May 27, 2018 by Thurman#1

[cd1]

Sorry but as much as I would like to speculate this year it is NOT just a new quarterback!

 

2018

New Quarterback

New Offensive Coordinator

New Playbook

New/untested Offensive line

 

I HATE to think that they would rush Allen into the game (even if he is the best QB) before the OC and offensive line gets settled in. While testing the new system, I'd asoon they risk Nate or AJ - NOT our Future Franchise guy.

 

YMMV

[Hebert19]

6 and 10 or higher.  I trust our coaching won't put him in bad spots. 

[#34fan]

10 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

4500 yards

35ish TDs

SB Run

 

 

Figured I'd be the high end of the spectrum of expectations...

 

!

[Foxx]

it really isn't about wins and losses for me. nor is it about the passer rating as was mentioned earlier in this thread. if anyone learned anything about passer rating with Tyrod, it can be a very deceptive metric.

 

i guess one of the two bggest things for me with Allen is that when he is in there that he leads a passing attack that is considerably better than 28th in the league. the other being that he passes the eye test. there are no real measurables with the eye test, but i know when i see a guy whether he has 'it' or not and i want to see Allen have, 'it'.

Edited May 27, 2018 by Foxx

[Returntoglory]

Slow and steady improvement. 

[#34fan]

31 minutes ago, Foxx said:

it really isn't about wins and losses for me. nor is it about the passer rating as was mentioned earlier in this thread. if anyone learned anything about passer rating with Tyrod, it can be a very deceptive metric.

 

i guess one of the two bggest things for me with Allen is that when he is in there that he leads a passing attack that is considerably better than 28th in the league. the other being that he passes the eye test. there are no real measurables with the eye test, but i know when i see a guy whether he has 'it' or not and i want to see Allen have, 'it'.

 

That "it" factor for me translates to the ability of a QB to impose his will on opposing defenses... Move the chains down the field decisively, and consistently, then strike when in the red zone.

 

It's the trait of the elite, and If Allen starts, it's what I'd like to see.

[Warcodered]

If he does start this season he does have experience playing with a ****ty offense while having a great defense. I mean that was basically his last season at UW.

[BarleyNY]

Even if Allen wins the starting job in camp I’m not judging him this season unless his performance is stellar.  I sure wouldn’t expect that.  I’d expect a bumpy road (with signs of growth) until probably year 3.  Patience.  

Edited May 27, 2018 by BarleyNY

[eball]

19-0, babyyyyyyyyy....

[Perry Turtle]

23 hours ago, BUFFALOBART said:

Jim Kelly came to the Bills already 'battle hardened' by the USFL.

Bills fans are still spoiled by that unique situation.

Give the new kid a chance, and some time.

I am of the belief that he will pay us all back, immeasurably.

The Bills finished 4-12 Kelly's first season. The team was young, but Smith, Reed, and Talley were on the roster.  Despite many mistakes, like a bunch of late game interceptions, there was no doubt Kelly was the guy.

 

I kind of expect the same from Allen.

 

 

[BB@Shooter]

1 hour ago, #34fan said:

 

That "it" factor for me translates to the ability of a QB to impose his will on opposing defenses... Move the chains down the field decisively, and consistently, then strike when in the red zone.

 

It's the trait of the elite, and If Allen starts, it's what I'd like to see.

I would like to see a coaching staff that could play to his strengths. I think that is where it starts and ends with Allen. I have already seen 2 years of run on first and second down, and then have him throw on third and long with pressure coming most every time. I would have loved to have seen a team drop 9 against him and watched him pick it apart or use his legs to get 1st downs. I saw too many series end up stalled from poor play calling and no run game.

 

In Allens first year he had Brian Hill to hand off to. If Hill would have played as a senior he could have been the NCAA all time rushing leader, or at least in the top 3. And all we did was hand off to him, and it would be off tackle 90% of the time. Our OC does not know how to make other teams guess which play he will call. He is very predictable. And I have no clue as to why. Which made it harder on the whole offense, including Allen. If Bohl would quit being loyal to Vigen, Wyoming would win 10 plus games a year. How Vigen has gotten Allen and Wentz drafted in the 1st round is beyond me. I am praying this staff uses Allen's strengths and can put together an offense where he can bring out the best in his offensive players. Allen is used to the worst, so it shouldn't be too hard.

[#34fan]

32 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

I would like to see a coaching staff that could play to his strengths.

 

Develop and maximize his strengths is more like it.... Although, I don't see how you do that for a rookie without the safety net of a solid TE.

[H2o]

My expectations will still be the same. 7-10 wins and another shot at a playoff berth. The defense is going to be that good no matter who the starter is. McCarron isn't anything special, so having him as the starter doesn't make me think otherwise about our chances. 

[BB@Shooter]

1 hour ago, #34fan said:

 

Develop and maximize his strengths is more like it.... Although, I don't see how you do that for a rookie without the safety net of a solid TE.

Elway lived off of the TE out in the flats after he rolled away from the play action. Be it a running back or tight end or slot back, just have a relief valve for him.

[#34fan]

7 minutes ago, BB@Shooter said:

Elway lived off of the TE out in the flats after he rolled away from the play action. Be it a running back or tight end or slot back, just have a relief valve for him.

 

A big short-range (3rd down) target to help sustain drives would build confidence... I'd pull the trigger on Barnidge if I wanted to help my rookie.

[ganesh]

If Allen beats Peterman and AJ for the starting position fair and square then I expect him to lead us to the playoffs.

[Rob's House]

I expect great things. Big plays, clutch plays, and a lot of turnovers. I expect turnovers of a young QB. Those are mistakes you learn from. If he slings it and makes things happen I'm more than willing to take that ride with him. If he tries too hard to play it safe I'll worry.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Rob's House said:

I expect great things. Big plays, clutch plays, and a lot of turnovers. I expect turnovers of a young QB. Those are mistakes you learn from. If he slings it and makes things happen I'm more than willing to take that ride with him. If he tries too hard to play it safe I'll worry.

Are you referring to JA or NP?

 

Or both? 

 

[TigerJ]

I don't have a lot of expectations, positive or negative.  I think there may be some long pass attempts, more than might be typical of a new QB.  I also expect tthere is going to be a learning curve, but I really don't know how McDermott and Daboll are going to handle him or how quickly he can navigate that learning curve.