4merper4mer Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Regardless of what this means or doesn't about the Pats, the Rams are absolute morons. At 23 they could have just picked a receiver equal to or better than Cooks and had him cheap for 5 years. This is such a bad trade for them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Beane should be fired on the spot if he let the Jets and then the Patriots move ahead of him to select a QB and we are stuck at 12 Would be a complete disaster of a draft. Idc how many picks we have, a middle LB is not going to win you a Superbowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Regardless of what this means or doesn't about the Pats, the Rams are absolute morons. At 23 they could have just picked a receiver equal to or better than Cooks and had him cheap for 5 years. This is such a bad trade for them. I disagree. Look at the performance of WRs drafted high in the last few years. Not much to write home about. 23 is good value for a proven NFL WR like Cooks. Watkins departure left a hole that McVay wanted filled. No WRs on Rams roster had that skill set. This move makes sense on a team loading up for a run. 11 minutes ago, Yeezus said: Beane should be fired on the spot if he let the Jets and then the Patriots move ahead of him to select a QB and we are stuck at 12 Would be a complete disaster of a draft. Idc how many picks we have, a middle LB is not going to win you a Superbowl. This will not happen. 49 minutes ago, Mij yllek said: From CBS Sports: Lamar Jackson, Louisville - As I wrote Tuesday, "it would be classic Bill Belichick to go against the grain and pick the super-elusive Jackson after he's won five Super Bowls with the stoic Brady under center." It's extraordinarily difficult to peg where Jackson will ultimately be selected, but it's reasonable to assume he'll be on the board at No. 23 overall. Of course.. " classic Belichick". So if the Bills select Lamar Jackson, it will be the cause of much hand wringing, face palming and calls for Beanes ouster. If the Pats select Jackson, it's pure genius. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: I disagree. Look at the performance of WRs drafted high in the last few years. Not much to write home about. 23 is good value for a proven NFL WR like Cooks. Watkins departure left a hole that McVay wanted filled. No WRs on Rams roster had that skill set. This move makes sense on a team loading up for a run. This will not happen. Of course.. " classic Belichick". So if the Bills select Lamar Jackson, it will be the cause of much hand wringing, face palming and calls for Beanes ouster. If the Pats select Jackson, it's pure genius. Agree on points 2 and 3 but pick 23 for the middling Cooks? No way. The Rams are the Redskins on steroids with these big $ signings and draft pick giveaways. The only thing I think the new regime has screwed up since getting here was opting against Watkins 5th year. It would have increased his value, and he would still be a Ram with the Pats unable to move Cooks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: Agree on points 2 and 3 but pick 23 for the middling Cooks? No way. The Rams are the Redskins on steroids with these big $ signings and draft pick giveaways. The only thing I think the new regime has screwed up since getting here was opting against Watkins 5th year. It would have increased his value, and he would still be a Ram with the Pats unable to move Cooks. I think Cooks fills a need , cheaply. Beckham was out of reach and the draft doesn't look too good at WR. They are starting to mimic the Redskins and Les Snead is like a drunken sailor. I concur 100% on the Watkins option take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 22 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: The only thing I think the new regime has screwed up since getting here was opting against Watkins 5th year. It would have increased his value, and he would still be a Ram with the Pats unable to move Cooks. Was it the new regime who opted against Sammy's 5th year? Definitely wasn't Beane. He inherited Watkins on the final year of his rookie deal. (Unless I've been dead in a cave somewhere...which has been known to happen.) So, was it McDermott? I mean, officially, it was Doug Whaley. But, was it really coach's call? How do you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 However all of this plays out, it makes one uncomfortable to see the Jets, and now the hated Patriots, moving up the board. Patriots may not have the ammo Buffalo has to get to #2, but they could try to move ahead of the 12 spot, if QB is the target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Was it the new regime who opted against Sammy's 5th year? Definitely wasn't Beane. He inherited Watkins on the final year of his rookie deal. (Unless I've been dead in a cave somewhere...which has been known to happen.) So, was it McDermott? I mean, officially, it was Doug Whaley. But, was it really coach's call? How do you know? I don't know for sure but it did seem that McDermott was calling the shots. Why would Whaley trade all of what he did on Watkins and not extend unless he had another voice in the room? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: Les Snead is crazy. Every freaking week he's shedding draft picks and cap space. He needs to get on some lithium for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I don't know for sure but it did seem that McDermott was calling the shots. Why would Whaley trade all of what he did on Watkins and not extend unless he had another voice in the room? Fair question. I imagine either of us could do ten seconds of research to shed a little light on the matter. Meh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 hours ago, HappyDays said: I think it's a really terrible deal. They owe him $8.5 million this year, then he's going to want to get paid next year. And their first pick this year is #87 overall. In 2 years they'll have terrible depth and no cap space. I agree. The Pats basically got a free rental, or arguably gained some draft capital. Man, I do think Cooks will do great in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: My suggestion to him would be to spend some quality time on TBD where he can learn that WRs aren't important if you have a "franchise QB". TBD has spoken. The quarterback makes the receiver. Larry Fitzgerald praises the heavens for all the great QBs that made him the stat monster he is. Without Josh mccown and Derek Anderson, drew stanton, Larry would have had a short career because he is a WR, a receptacle for quarterbacks, and that's all he'll ever be, and his passing offenses would have been naught. /HeavyS Edited April 4, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, LittleJoeCartwright said: Since when has any team been reluctant to trade with the Pats? I didnt say they wouldnt trade with the Pats...I said no one is trying to help them post Brady...so if all things equal on a trade offer, we would have the advantage. But, we have more assets and better assets than the Pats anyway, so we can still outbid them IF Beane wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I didnt say they wouldnt trade with the Pats...I said no one is trying to help them post Brady...so if all things equal on a trade offer, we would have the advantage. But, we have more assets and better assets than the Pats anyway, so we can still outbid them IF Beane wants to. New England is likley not moving up in the draft. They traded cooks because they where not gonna be on the same page and offer him top WR money, so they got a pick that was better than they gave up. Theu didnt do this deal so they can try to jump to the top of the draft. And if the pats dp any trading it will probably be moving back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Cmdjr85 said: New England is likley not moving up in the draft. They traded cooks because they where not gonna be on the same page and offer him top WR money, so they got a pick that was better than they gave up. Theu didnt do this deal so they can try to jump to the top of the draft. And if the pats dp any trading it will probably be moving back. Im not the one saying they are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: Im not the one saying they are... Whoops replied on wrong person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, Cmdjr85 said: Whoops replied on wrong person All good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Patriots just leaked the Bills top choice at QB. Josh Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 How the heck do they get a 1st for Cooks? Why do teams let Belechick do this to them? 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Regardless of what this means or doesn't about the Pats, the Rams are absolute morons. At 23 they could have just picked a receiver equal to or better than Cooks and had him cheap for 5 years. This is such a bad trade for them. Agreed. BB consistently pulls the wool over the eyes of teams with trades. I don't know how he does it. I am always very surprised that teams take what BB offers them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, MJS said: How the heck do they get a 1st for Cooks? Why do teams let Belechick do this to them? The Rams think WR's are worth it. A 1st and a 2nd for Cooks and Watkins. The deep threat is very important in that offense to open up everything else. Edited April 4, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 8 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: and in 3...........................2.............................1 We all kill ourselves if the patriots get Rosen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 2 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Regardless of what this means or doesn't about the Pats, the Rams are absolute morons. At 23 they could have just picked a receiver equal to or better than Cooks and had him cheap for 5 years. This is such a bad trade for them. It's a weak WR class and there's never any guarantees in the draft. You're correct though that this was a dumb trade by the Rams. They gave up a 2nd round pick for Watkins and a 1st round pick for Cooks with the possibility of both leaving after one year because of contract demands. Cooks holds all the leverage as far as a contract extension goes as he can compare his stats to Watkins and say I demand at least that much. I guess the Rams are all in on the present without much regard to the future with all the moves they've made this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Nope... It's Payne... The Pats want Da'Ron Payne.... Sadly, this move may be enough to make OBD sell out by tomorrow... Gettleman might get that damn call after all, smh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, #34fan said: Nope... It's Payne... The Pats want Da'Ron Payne.... Sadly, this move may be enough to make OBD sell out by tomorrow... Gettleman might get that damn call after all, smh... Patriots can't top a Bills offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 36 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: We all kill ourselves if the patriots get Rosen. I don't think massacheatsus wants him at all... But you can bet Beane got a call from the Pegulas when this news broke. *(sigh) Bye-bye farm! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: Patriots can't top a Bills offer. Could throwing Gronkowski in the mix get a deal done? There have been rumors of a Gronkowski trade lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 Just now, TheTruthHurts said: Patriots can't top a Bills offer. They don't have to... I think It's a classic feint move... Get Buffalo to blink... Mess us up for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: But Rudolph sucks...unless the Pats want him. What if I don't think he sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, #34fan said: They don't have to... I think It's a classic feint move... Get Buffalo to blink... Mess us up for years to come. I agree. Rosen rumors probably means that's the Bills target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 6 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This isn't true at all. Pats now have 2 firsts and 2 seconds: 23, 31, 43, 63. It is not as much as the Bills, but it isn't so far behind that they can't cause the Bills some trouble. 38 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: What if I don't think he sucks? I don't think he does either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) I would think NE* wants to replace LT Nate Solder rather then move up for QB. Jordan Matthews would be cheaper then Cooks Edited April 4, 2018 by ALF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 This just boggles my mind. If anyone suggested we get a 1st rounder for a contract year player, and they are soundly criticized but the Patriots made it happen. Just insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 3 hours ago, MJS said: How the heck do they get a 1st for Cooks? Why do teams let Belechick do this to them? Agreed. BB consistently pulls the wool over the eyes of teams with trades. I don't know how he does it. I am always very surprised that teams take what BB offers them. Did anyone criticize Belichick for paying a 1st for Cooks last year or was that a brilliant move too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: I agree. Rosen rumors probably means that's the Bills target. And possibly the Jets. Are they panicking right now to try and get up to #2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 (edited) 57 minutes ago, nucci said: Did anyone criticize Belichick for paying a 1st for Cooks last year or was that a brilliant move too? I did. I remember being happy for fantasy bc I had Brady as a keeper , but also I was happy the Pats wouldn't have a 1st rounder. Thought it was way too much for Cooks. Edited April 4, 2018 by What a Tuel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 58 minutes ago, nucci said: Did anyone criticize Belichick for paying a 1st for Cooks last year or was that a brilliant move too? I though trading their 1st and 2nd for Cooks and Ealy was super dumb. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I do not think the Bills are in on anyone other than one of their top guys. There are 2nd tier QBs out there like White, Lauletta, Rudolph ...but they have the assets to do better. They likely couldn’t care less for their own plans if belichick wants to draft Rudolph, and probably hope he does. Lauretta is the one if any, I expect the Pats to draft in the first round for QB. ANY of the rest will be their round 2. But I agree with a lot here if they stay out it’s the local product Landry and probably another pass rusher at 31.the Pats pass rush was awful last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said: Lauretta is the one if any, I expect the Pats to draft in the first round for QB. ANY of the rest will be their round 2. But I agree with a lot here if they stay out it’s the local product Landry and probably another pass rusher at 31.the Pats pass rush was awful last year. I don't get the Lauletta as a 1st or even 2nd rounder to be honest. He is a day 3 player for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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What a Tuel Posted April 4, 2018 Share Posted April 4, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So why not just get a 1st rounder for him instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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