26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Scary proposition for opposing offenses with Suh visiting the Rams today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Rams could be going all in for the next year or two. At some point when Goff's contract comes up they'll be in cap jail, but now would be the time to strike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Rams sure do have a lot of talent considering they did the type of move that some fans here think would doom any chances of success. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Rams sure do have a lot of talent considering they did the type of move that some fans here think would doom any chances of success. Yes and no, I know what you are getting at but their top talent (Donald and Gurley) preceded Goff. It is a little “chicken and egg” and there is no right way to do it. The ideal situation is to consistently draft well. You only get so many chances to strike on a QB. This should be the year for the Bills. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Chuck Wagon said: Rams sure do have a lot of talent considering they did the type of move that some fans here think would doom any chances of success. Because they've gone free agency crazy and basically locked themselves into a 1-2 year window. If they don't win the Super Bowl by 2020 they're screwed. JMO but I'd rather build the team for long-term success than go all in on 2 years like they're doing. In the next couple years they'll be looking to sign Donald, Gurley, Peters, Joyner, and Goff. They will have very little of their own depth to fall back on when some of these players inevitably leave. IMO it will be a salary cap nightmare there before long and I don't think Goff has what it takes to win the Super Bowl, but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) I fear the Rams are going to come down to Earth on offense next year, so one way to help counter that is ramp the D up which they seem to be doing. Goff is not Wentz, most people over glorify his play this year because they didnt actually watch the games, just check stat boxes. Not taking anything away from the kid, great second season for sure, but I also didn't see a guy on the field I could sit back and say this kid is going to have a long and very good career. Wentz to me showed a lot more promise as a legit quality starting QB than Goff did last year. Plus, teams caught up to the Rams offense towards the end of the season with back to back games of 13 points, including the playoffs and against mediocre or worse defenses. McVay was hiding Goff's weaknesses most the season, and having guys like Gurley, Watkins, Woods, Kupp, both those TE's, and Austin he was able to create a ton of big plays off short strike easy safe throws for Goff. However, SF and Atlanta defended it well and once that was disturbed, the Rams offense sputtered to the point I wonder if there is now a blueprint to slow that offense down. Now they lose Watkins and there is talk they may get rid of Austin, and all of a sudden there isnt much of a deep threat making the offense easier to defend. They are my second team, so pulling for him and the Rams, but I am not sold on Goff's season yet. He is still young and has plenty of upside still, so not condemning the kid by any means, just need to see him continue to grow in year 3. Edited March 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: I fear the Rams are going to come down to Earth on offense next year, so one way to help counter that is ramp the D up which they seem to be doing. Goff is not Wentz, most people over glorify his play this year because they didnt actually watch the games, just check stat boxes. Not taking anything away from the kid, great second season for sure, but I also didn't see a guy on the field I could sit back and say this kid is going to have a long and very good career. Wentz to me showed a lot more promise as a legit quality starting QB than Goff did last year. Plus, teams caught up to the Rams offense towards the end of the season with back to back games of 13 points, including the playoffs and against mediocre or worse defenses. McVay was hiding Goff's weaknesses most the season, and having guys like Gurley, Watkins, Woods, Kupp, both those TE's, and Austin he was able to create a ton of short strike easy safe throws for Goff. However, SF and Atlanta defended it well and once that was disturbed, the Rams offense sputtered to the point I wonder if there is now a blueprint to slow that offense down. Now they lose Watkins and there is talk they may get rid of Austin, and all of a sudden there isnt much of a deep threat making the offense easier to defend. They are my second team, so pulling for him and the Rams, but I am not sold on Goff's season yet. He is still young and has plenty of upside still, so not condemning the kid by any means, just need to see him continue to grow in year 3. FYI. Austin is staying on a restructured contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: FYI. Austin is staying on a restructured contract. Ah, didnt see that they restructured him. Good, it was a terrible contract the day they gave it to him. I was shocked they gave it to him in the first place. All that money for a WR who isnt a polished route runner and has suspect hands was absurd. Edited March 20, 2018 by Alphadawg7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Rams are about to be in cap jail next year. They better win it all this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 20 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Rams sure do have a lot of talent considering they did the type of move that some fans here think would doom any chances of success. Goff looked like chicken poo poo until he had a system that was schemed to his strength... Also, I think that system used by the HC/OC will be under review next week at the GM meetings...the use of lining up at the LOS while still having the coaches radio active, is not in the spirit of the rule of play, imo. If they amend this loophole does Goff revert back to his previous play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, pimp on da' net said: Goff looked like chicken poo poo until he had a system that was schemed to his strength... Also, I think that system used by the HC/OC will be under review next week at the GM meetings...the use of lining up at the LOS while still having the coaches radio active, is not in the spirit of the rule of play, imo. If they amend this loophole does Goff revert back to his previous play? It's within the rules before communications cut out and any team could do the same. Goff will have another year of experience in McVay's system which will only make him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Suh is a 4-3 DT so it would be interesting to see how he does in a 3-4 scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I fear the Rams are going to come down to Earth on offense next year, so one way to help counter that is ramp the D up which they seem to be doing. Goff is not Wentz, most people over glorify his play this year because they didnt actually watch the games, just check stat boxes. Not taking anything away from the kid, great second season for sure, but I also didn't see a guy on the field I could sit back and say this kid is going to have a long and very good career. Wentz to me showed a lot more promise as a legit quality starting QB than Goff did last year. Plus, teams caught up to the Rams offense towards the end of the season with back to back games of 13 points, including the playoffs and against mediocre or worse defenses. McVay was hiding Goff's weaknesses most the season, and having guys like Gurley, Watkins, Woods, Kupp, both those TE's, and Austin he was able to create a ton of big plays off short strike easy safe throws for Goff. However, SF and Atlanta defended it well and once that was disturbed, the Rams offense sputtered to the point I wonder if there is now a blueprint to slow that offense down. Now they lose Watkins and there is talk they may get rid of Austin, and all of a sudden there isnt much of a deep threat making the offense easier to defend. They are my second team, so pulling for him and the Rams, but I am not sold on Goff's season yet. He is still young and has plenty of upside still, so not condemning the kid by any means, just need to see him continue to grow in year 3. I'm more optimistic than you are on Goff. In his second year he made a quantum leap forward from his rookie year. The progression was remarkable. No one is doubting that having a talented roster with a top shelf back, a bolstered OL and a revamped receiver corps enhanced his play. But that is what smart organizations do. They put the qb they highly invested in the best possible position to succeed. The Rams lost a talented receiver in Watkins. But his departure represents the norm of player movement in the cap era. So while there might be a deficit on offense with him going to KC the organization balanced out the roster by (maybe) adding a top tier defensive player who will bolster the other side of the ball. Admittedly Goff is not as good as Wentz. There is no shame in that because Wentz is already considered one of the best qbs in the league. If he wouldn't have gotten hurt there is a good chance that he would have won the MVP. In my opinion by next year or the next year Goff is going to be in the top third qb rankings in the league. However you want to evaluate the deal the Rams made to get Goff it was a tremendous success. When I watched Goff play and Tyrod play I enviously coveted for a qb like the one in LA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnC said: I'm more optimistic than you are on Goff. In his second year he made a quantum leap forward from his rookie year. The progression was remarkable. No one is doubting that having a talented roster with a top shelf back, a bolstered OL and a revamped receiver corps enhanced his play. But that is what smart organizations do. They put the qb they highly invested in the best possible position to succeed. The Rams lost a talented receiver in Watkins. But his departure represents the norm of player movement in the cap era. So while there might be a deficit on offense with him going to KC the organization balanced out the roster by (maybe) adding a top tier defensive player who will bolster the other side of the ball. Admittedly Goff is not as good as Wentz. There is no shame in that because Wentz is already considered one of the best qbs in the league. If he wouldn't have gotten hurt there is a good chance that he would have won the MVP. In my opinion by next year or the next year Goff is going to be in the top third qb rankings in the league. However you want to evaluate the deal the Rams made to get Goff it was a tremendous success. When I watched Goff play and Tyrod play I enviously coveted for a qb like the one in LA. Dont get me wrong, I am still optimistic on Goff, not taking anything away from his sophomore year by any means. McVay coached the team beautifully to put Goff in a position to succeed. However, he is always compared to Wentz and they are not in the same conversation IMO...at least not yet of course, kid has plenty of upside still. But...my biggest concern about the Rams next year is that when teams took away the big play off of short strikes, the offense looked meh. If Goff and the Rams are going to continue to improve on Offense, its going to need to be less dependent on short plays turning into big plays. They offense needs more balance in my opinion or it might regress next year. Its not that they cant survive losing Watkins, but as much as people like to pile on Sammy here, the truth was he opened up that underneath a LOT as he was drawing the best defenders and even double teams all season. I am not convinced Woods can still be as effective in a #1 WR role now. I hope he is and I hope the Rams keep getting better, but I just need to see it before I believe it. Wentz on the other hand I saw make a lot more elite throws and big time passes and I feel more confident in his continued growth, even though thats not guaranteed either of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) Get your QB (Goff) and D star (Donald) on a rookie deal and you can add studs in free agency. Bills would have QB (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield) and D star (White) on a rookie deal for 4 years. They also have $100 million in cap. Trade it all for the QB. Edited March 20, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Scary proposition for opposing offenses with Suh visiting the Rams today. with what they did to their secondary this off-season, they potentially could be the best ever. where would the weakness be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Yikes! Wade is getting the pieces to finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 39 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Suh is a 4-3 DT so it would be interesting to see how he does in a 3-4 scheme. I would trust son of a bum to figure it out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 42 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Suh is a 4-3 DT so it would be interesting to see how he does in a 3-4 scheme. Phillips runs a 1-gap 3-4, so Suh's job wouldn't change much at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 47 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's within the rules before communications cut out and any team could do the same. Goff will have another year of experience in McVay's system which will only make him better. Speaking of McVay's system, I want Daboll to be talking to the QB at the LOS right up until the 15 second cutoff, too. I'm surprised not every team is doing that already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 15 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Phillips runs a 1-gap 3-4, so Suh's job wouldn't change much at all. Really? Wouldn’t he be taking on more double teams/setting the edge more though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Am I off base? It seems like Suh is major locker room cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Wade Phillips plus what amounts to a Pro Bowl roster on defense... PLUS that offense they have which seems to have 10 great WR threats and a great RB... That would be awesome to watch, especially given that the Rams are an NFC team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Tens upon hundreds of Southern Californians will flock to the Coliseum to see this juggernaut of a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 50 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Dont get me wrong, I am still optimistic on Goff, not taking anything away from his sophomore year by any means. McVay coached the team beautifully to put Goff in a position to succeed. However, he is always compared to Wentz and they are not in the same conversation IMO...at least not yet of course, kid has plenty of upside still. But...my biggest concern about the Rams next year is that when teams took away the big play off of short strikes, the offense looked meh. If Goff and the Rams are going to continue to improve on Offense, its going to need to be less dependent on short plays turning into big plays. They offense needs more balance in my opinion or it might regress next year. Its not that they cant survive losing Watkins, but as much as people like to pile on Sammy here, the truth was he opened up that underneath a LOT as he was drawing the best defenders and even double teams all season. I am not convinced Woods can still be as effective in a #1 WR role now. I hope he is and I hope the Rams keep getting better, but I just need to see it before I believe it. Wentz on the other hand I saw make a lot more elite throws and big time passes and I feel more confident in his continued growth, even though thats not guaranteed either of course. Most NFL people acknowledge that Wentz is already pretty close to being an elite qb. In a year or two he is going to be in the discussion as to whether he is the best in the league. What I can comfortably say about Goff is that he is not only now a franchise qb but in the near future he is going to be in the top third ranking of qbs. As a Bills fan all I'm asking is to get a qb who is considered a credible franchise qb. That's substantially more than what we have had in nearly a quarter century. Too many people (not necessarily saying you ) take the view that unless you get that special qb you shouldn't bother with upgrading the position. That's not my view and will never be. For one, getting that special prospect is a rare occurrence. What is evident in the NFL is that there are a variety of ways to build a roster and be able to compete. Some teams emphasize defense more than the offense or stress building a superior OL to emphasize the running game. There are a variety of ways to do this that have proven to be successful. But it is rare that any team is a SB contender with a second rate qbing. Jacksonville got far with Bortles but I'm not sure their success is sustainable without an upgrade. The point of this post is to stress that it is essential that the Bills come out of this draft with a credible qb prospect. Even if the Bills can't manage to get their most coveted prospect that doesn't mean that they can't find a reasonable option. If it were up to me I would have selected either Mahomes or Watson last year and be done with this yearly fixation. Securing that position last year and using the extra picks this year would have accelerated the rebuilding process. It's just time now to get this nettlesome issue resolved so that this franchise can move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: Because they've gone free agency crazy and basically locked themselves into a 1-2 year window. If they don't win the Super Bowl by 2020 they're screwed. JMO but I'd rather build the team for long-term success than go all in on 2 years like they're doing. In the next couple years they'll be looking to sign Donald, Gurley, Peters, Joyner, and Goff. They will have very little of their own depth to fall back on when some of these players inevitably leave. IMO it will be a salary cap nightmare there before long and I don't think Goff has what it takes to win the Super Bowl, but we'll see. They will win or get very close. The NFL will make sure of it. They need to sell PSLs at that new stadium of theirs....... I've been saying this for years. I'm not surprised at all they magically made the playoffs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I would trust son of a bum to figure it out. Free agent Ndamukong Suh will visit the Raiders on Wednesday. Suh continues to pack on the frequent flyer miles. He's already met with the Rams, Titans and Saints since his release from Miami last week. The 31-year-old is coming off another fine season that saw him earn PFF's No. 2 run-stopping grade among 79 qualifiers at defensive tackle. Outside of All-Pro Khalil Mack, Oakland's defense was a punching bag last season. He'd be a big get for the Raiders . Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter Mar 20 - 4:27 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: It's within the rules before communications cut out and any team could do the same. Goff will have another year of experience in McVay's system which will only make him better. I agree, its within the current rule but hardly is it within the spirit and intent of it. There were rumblings about how McVay's interpretation may have exposed a loophole...Let's see what the competition committee thinks during the GM meetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 20, 2018 Author Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, pimp on da' net said: I agree, its within the current rule but hardly is it within the spirit and intent of it. There were rumblings about how McVay's interpretation may have exposed a loophole...Let's see what the competition committee thinks during the GM meetings. There is no spirit of the rule IMO and they didn't propose a rule change for the owners to vote on next week. So there will be no change for 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp on da' net Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: There is no spirit of the rule IMO and they didn't propose a rule change for the owners to vote on next week. So there will be no change for 2018. When I mention spirit of the rule, the intent of using the helmet mic was to relay plays into the game as the team's huddle. Allowing this type technology wasn't intended to give an advantage for one side or the other, imo...its on par with how NE used the eligible/ ineligible WR loophole in the playoff game against Baltimore. It took a few off-season's before it was addressed. If the committee isn't addressing it this year, so be it. But I think it's a topic of discussion around the league. McVay addresses the cheating claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerJ Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 4:55 PM, billsfan11 said: Really? Wouldn’t he be taking on more double teams/setting the edge more though? Double teams happen because a combination of two factors. One: you're a dominant player and opposing coaches are game planning to try and reduce your dominance. Two, you don't have a dominant player next to you, so the offensive line can afford to shade protection one way. Suh is going to face some double teams anyway but if opponents do it all the time, Aaron Donald will make them pay. Also, a one gap 3-4 defense is quite different from a two gap. A two gap nose tackle mostly has a job description of tying up blockers. The better they are, the more likely two blockers will be assigned to him. In a two gap system, the linebackers are the ones who rack up the gaudy stats, simply because the nose tackle is soaking up lots of attention from the offensive line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: Double teams happen because a combination of two factors. One: you're a dominant player and opposing coaches are game planning to try and reduce your dominance. Two, you don't have a dominant player next to you, so the offensive line can afford to shade protection one way. Suh is going to face some double teams anyway but if opponents do it all the time, Aaron Donald will make them pay. Also, a one gap 3-4 defense is quite different from a two gap. A two gap nose tackle mostly has a job description of tying up blockers. The better they are, the more likely two blockers will be assigned to him. In a two gap system, the linebackers are the ones who rack up the gaudy stats, simply because the nose tackle is soaking up lots of attention from the offensive line. Good analysis, thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I failed to mention that in a one gap defense, the defensive tackle lines up opposite the space between the offensive linemen. His primary responsibility is the gap in front of him. If it's a running play, he first has to make sure the running back doesn't go through that gap. If it is a pass play, he is freer to penetrate the gap and cause disruption in the backfield. One gap systems tend to give defensive linemen more opportunities to make plays on the ball carrier than does a two gap system. All thins is my simpleminded understanding of the difference between a one gap system and a two gap system. I'm sure there are lots of intricacies of which I am unaware. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 3:22 PM, Hebert19 said: Rams are about to be in cap jail next year. They better win it all this year. Nope..just like the Bills,they will be around 90 mill under in '19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aristocrat Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 oh boy suh said he wanted the biggest offer. their d line goes from nice to meh back to nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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